[Incomplete Title] Sabres (21-12-5) & NHL 2018-19 - Game 39 (MSG-B) vs. BOS (20-14-4) at 7 PM ET on 12/29

[eball]

Congrats to Vic Olofsson -- named AHL POTW after a 7-pt week!

[JohnC]

21 minutes ago, eball said:

Congrats to Vic Olofsson -- named AHL POTW after a 7-pt week!

Let the youngsters marinate. Botterill has stated that his philosophy is to error on the side of development so that when it is time for a call-upl the player/s won't be bouncing back and forth. 

[4merper4mer]

7 hours ago, JohnC said:

Let the youngsters marinate. Botterill has stated that his philosophy is to error on the side of development so that when it is time for a call-upl the player/s won't be bouncing back and forth. 

Nylander 2024!!!!!!!!!!

[row_33]

And another easy Leafs win tonight 

 

 

[JohnC]

11 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Nylander 2024!!!!!!!!!!

I hate to disappoint you but it is probable that Nylander will be called up this year. And that call-up will be merited. The rush to judge/condemn a player who was under twenty a failure (now he is twenty) was foolish. From a merit standpoint he should have earned a roster spot with the Sabres this year. From a developmental standpoint keeping him down in Rochester to get a lot more playing time was the right thing to do for him and the organization. 

[shrader]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

I hate to disappoint you but it is probable that Nylander will be called up this year. And that call-up will be merited. The rush to judge/condemn a player who was under twenty a failure (now he is twenty) was foolish. From a merit standpoint he should have earned a roster spot with the Sabres this year. From a developmental standpoint keeping him down in Rochester to get a lot more playing time was the right thing to do for him and the organization. 

 

It seems like he's been here for about 4 years at this point, but he's still just in year one of his ELC.  The kid still has so much time to develop into an NHL player.  He's just now at the age where players typically enter the pro game.  You don't get players very often like that who actually have two years of North American pro experience.

[JohnC]

4 minutes ago, shrader said:

 

It seems like he's been here for about 4 years at this point, but he's still just in year one of his ELC.  The kid still has so much time to develop into an NHL player.  He's just now at the age where players typically enter the pro game.  You don't get players very often like that who actually have two years of North American pro experience.

With Nylander it is more of a physical development than maturity development. He has the skills and instincts. But when he first played in the NHL he was a boy playing against men. What the impatient critics don't want to acknowledge is that although he has struggled he has also made progress. 

 

Because of his skill set he is not the type of player that you would want to immediately throw into the third and forth line role because it is not the role he is suited for. He is more of a top two line player and a player who is suited for the power play. There is also an irony that Nylander's skill set is more suited to the NHL than the AHL where the rinks are smaller. So the play in the minors can't always be translated and projected to the major league platform. 

 

I'm confident that both he and Guhle will be playing with the big club this season. And next year or the year after both of these young players should be developed enough to be important contributors.

 

If you want to get a good return on your investment you need to be patient with the process. Every player has a different rate of development. In my view Botterill is handling the prospects appropriately and smartly.  

[bbb]

What is the name of that guy who was the leading scorer in the Swedish league and where is he?  He had such a quick shot that I saw in that first Prospects game. 

[shrader]

46 minutes ago, bbb said:

What is the name of that guy who was the leading scorer in the Swedish league and where is he?  He had such a quick shot that I saw in that first Prospects game. 

 

Here's your answer:

 

23 hours ago, eball said:

Congrats to Vic Olofsson -- named AHL POTW after a 7-pt week!

 

[bbb]

2 minutes ago, shrader said:

 

Here's your answer:

 

 

 

Nice - when is he moving up?!?

[shrader]

Just now, bbb said:

 

Nice - when is he moving up?!?

 

I'd let him stay there as long as possible.  If he can sustain similar production over an extended period of time, you suddenly have a pro-ready prospect waiting in the wings.  I can't remember the last time we had that, someone far more developed than the crap shoot aspect of most prospects.

[26CornerBlitz]

Game Preview: 10/16/18 at Vegas

 

GAME-DAY RESOURCES

 

Game Notes

NHL Stats

Press Clips

 

LAST GAME
Saturday, October 13
Buffalo 3 at Arizona 0
Goals: Dahlin, Sheary, Skinner
Goalie: Ullmark (36 saves/36 shots)
PP: 1/3; PK: 3/3; Shots: Arizona 36 – Buffalo 23

 

CURRENT INJURIES – (Man Games Lost: 26)
Player (injury, first game missed) – total games missed
Zach Bogosian (lower body, Oct. 4; injured reserve) – 5 games
Matt Hunwick (neck, Oct. 4; injured reserve) – 5 games
Sean Malone (knee, Oct. 4; injured reserve) – 5 games
Scott Wilson (ankle, Oct. 4; injured reserve) – 5 games

 

TRANSACTIONS IN PAST 7 DAYS
10/11: Activated F Johan Larsson from IR; Placed D Zach Bogosian on IR

 

UPCOMING GAMES
Thursday, Oct. 18: Buffalo at San Jose, 10:30 p.m.
Saturday, Oct. 20: Buffalo at Los Angeles, 3:30 p.m.
Sunday, Oct. 21: Buffalo at Anaheim, 8 p.m.
Thursday, Oct. 25: Montreal at Buffalo, 7 p.m.
Saturday, Oct. 27: Buffalo at Columbus, 7 p.m.

 

TONIGHT’S GAME
SABRES at GOLDEN KNIGHTS

• This is the second of two meetings between the Sabres and Golden Knights this season.
• Last meeting: Buffalo defeated Vegas 4-2 in Buffalo on Oct. 8
• This is the fourth game all-time between Buffalo and Vegas; Buffalo has a 1-0-2 series record.
• The Sabres are 0-0-1 on the road against the Golden Knights all-time.

[Cripple Creek]

On 10/14/2018 at 12:00 PM, Fadingpain said:

Very interesting game in Phoenix.  

 

Nice of them to save their best performance of the year, by far, for the first moment they got out of their own building.

 

Those poor fans in Buffalo.

 

 

Way to look on the bright side.

[JohnC]

11 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

Way to look on the bright side.

Some people complain when you lose and also when you win. Some people are too depressed to ever be optimistic. When good news becomes bad news that is the time to seek help for an attitude adjustment. . 

 

Assuming that the young guys didn't get caught up in temptations of the casinos this is a very winnable game against a team that is not fully staffed. 

[K-9]

6 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Some people complain when you lose and also when you win. Some people are too depressed to ever be optimistic. When good news becomes bad news that is the time to seek help for an attitude adjustment. . 

 

Assuming that the young guys didn't get caught up in temptations of the casinos this is a very winnable game against a team that is not fully staffed. 

I’ll be checking for signs of the Vegas flu early on. Hopefully, they got it out of their system on Sunday.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

On 10/14/2018 at 6:42 PM, JohnC said:

Dads can be enjoyable (and tolerable) to ski with assuming that they are doing their Pater duty by paying for the ski run. You can laugh at your son being exhausted on one of the ski runs but in the not too distant future you will be the one preferring to stay by the Chalet fire place with a brew while the youngsters are whizzing done the slopes.  

Oh... He wasn't exhausted.  I was!  And @ -25°F (actual temp)... He was freezing Me!

 

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[JohnC]

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Oh... He wasn't exhausted.  I was!  And @ -25°F (actual temp)... He was freezing Me!

 

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Outsmart him. Stay in the Chalet and drink some warm bourbon by the giant fireplace. When he says hey dad are you ready to hit the slopes just say hell no I'll watch you finishing your run while continuing to absorb the warmth of the fireplace and sipping your smooth drink that warms your innards. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

Edited October 16, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[26CornerBlitz]

 

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[K-9]

Vegas flu has struck. This one might be over early. 

[K-9]

When Eichel decides not to show up, he sucks ass. 

[K-9]

Complete waste of time. 

[plenzmd1]

7 hours ago, K-9 said:

Complete waste of time. 

Basically, shut out in 3 of 6 games this year. 

[billsfanmiami(oh)]

They must have hit the strip hard the last couple days before the game 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

Special teams falter in loss to Golden Knights

[K-9]

1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

Basically, shut out in 3 of 6 games this year. 

Obviously, Phil knows how to get these boys ready to play. 

[shrader]

1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

Basically, shut out in 3 of 6 games this year. 

 

When they lose, they lose badly.  It's early, but it's not a good trend so far.  My worry from game 1 when they fell behind Boston 2-0 was whether or not this team could play from behind.  So far, they've done as poorly as possible in that position.  That is what will make or break this season.

 

Edit: I can't do the 10PM games and I didn't watch it.  I'm assuming it wouldn't have mattered, but unless he's backing up Hasek himself, I would have been giving Ullmark the start after getting a shutout.

Edited October 17, 2018 by shrader

[plenzmd1]

33 minutes ago, shrader said:

 

When they lose, they lose badly.  It's early, but it's not a good trend so far.  My worry from game 1 when they fell behind Boston 2-0 was whether or not this team could play from behind.  So far, they've done as poorly as possible in that position.  That is what will make or break this season.

 

Edit: I can't do the 10PM games and I didn't watch it.  I'm assuming it wouldn't have mattered, but unless he's backing up Hasek himself, I would have been giving Ullmark the start after getting a shutout.

i watched the first period..3x the 2nd and 3rd early this morning. I did not understand going to Hutton either..he was okay. 

 

I would take odds on Housley being first to fired...but cant find anyplace, especially Bovada, that will book the bet.

[zow2]

Housley just doesn't have these guys ready to play too often.   He's like the NFL coordinator that just can't cut it as a head coach, but goes back to being a good coordinator.  

They don't play a puck possession game ever, or a speed game.. They don't have any identity.

Edited October 17, 2018 by zow2

[JohnC]

27 minutes ago, shrader said:

 

When they lose, they lose badly.  It's early, but it's not a good trend so far.  My worry from game 1 when they fell behind Boston 2-0 was whether or not this team could play from behind.  So far, they've done as poorly as possible in that position.  That is what will make or break this season.

 

Edit: I can't do the 10PM games and I didn't watch it.  I'm assuming it wouldn't have mattered, but unless he's backing up Hasek himself, I would have been giving Ullmark the start after getting a shutout.

I DVRed the game but only watched the first period. That's all you needed to see. So I'm not going to waste my time watching garbage. The delete button is going to be used. As others have said it's apparent how this game was going to go after only watching the first period. If they get behind this fragile team's will is easily crushed.  

 

In this game the home team had a ferocity and tenacity that the flaccid opposition lacked. Hockey is an effort sport as much, and maybe more, than a skill sport. When you don't have that spark you will consistently lose. Intermittent  effort is an indictment of the players and coaches. It gets tiresome to watch. Maybe in the next game this heartless team will exhibit more fire. But that is the problem. It is too often manufactured on a periodic basis.   

[shrader]

13 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I DVRed the game but only watched the first period. That's all you needed to see. So I'm not going to waste my time watching garbage. The delete button is going to be used. As others have said it's apparent how this game was going to go after only watching the first period. If they get behind this fragile team's will is easily crushed.  

 

In this game the home team had a ferocity and tenacity that the flaccid opposition lacked. Hockey is an effort sport as much, and maybe more, than a skill sport. When you don't have that spark you will consistently lose. Intermittent  effort is an indictment of the players and coaches. It gets tiresome to watch. Maybe in the next game this heartless team will exhibit more fire. But that is the problem. It is too often manufactured on a periodic basis.   

 

It's amazing how consistent they are so far, even if it's just 6 games.  The first goal says everything.  If they fall behind, they're immediately done.  I don't know how you fix that problem, but it should be blatantly obvious already how they crumble if they give up the first goal.  They're going to have to get over that at some point or else we're once again competing for the first overall pick.

[JohnC]

7 minutes ago, shrader said:

 

It's amazing how consistent they are so far, even if it's just 6 games.  The first goal says everything.  If they fall behind, they're immediately done.  I don't know how you fix that problem, but it should be blatantly obvious already how they crumble if they give up the first goal.  They're going to have to get over that at some point or else we're once again competing for the first overall pick.

Maybe a Brad Marchand personality on this roster might infuse this team with some passion. The reality is that this is Jack's team. He was angling for the C to be sewn on his jersey. It's there now. He has to lead by example by giving more consistent effort on both sides of the ice. 

 

What you see and everyone else sees is apparent to everyone but the players. It's not so much about winning as it is about how you play. The ingredient for a successful team relates to how you play as much as the talent on the ice. The Washington Caps didn't win the Stanley Cup until Ovenckin change from being simply a scorer and stat player to being a leader with a more well rounded game that included the defensive side of the game. That's what Jack has to learn. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

3 hours ago, JohnC said:

I DVRed the game but only watched the first period. That's all you needed to see. So I'm not going to waste my time watching garbage. The delete button is going to be used. As others have said it's apparent how this game was going to go after only watching the first period. If they get behind this fragile team's will is easily crushed.  

 

In this game the home team had a ferocity and tenacity that the flaccid opposition lacked. Hockey is an effort sport as much, and maybe more, than a skill sport. When you don't have that spark you will consistently lose. Intermittent  effort is an indictment of the players and coaches. It gets tiresome to watch. Maybe in the next game this heartless team will exhibit more fire. But that is the problem. It is too often manufactured on a periodic basis.   

It's 70-80% coaching.  IMO.

 

Talent brings it down... But still over half coaching.  These players are only on ice more minute bursts if that.

 

Look what the change from Denis Savard to Coach did for Blackhawks.

 

IMO...

[JohnC]

26 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

It's 70-80% coaching.  IMO.

 

Talent brings it down... But still over half coaching.  These players are only on ice more minute bursts if that.

 

Look what the change from Denis Savard to Coach did for Blackhawks.

 

IMO...

I'm not doubting that coaching is an important factor to success but I'm not accepting the 70-80% difference. Where I agree with you is that there should be a match between the makeup of the roster and the personality and style of the coach. A John Tortorella ogre type coach might be suitable for some teams but his excessively tough style of coaching might not work with a roster full of veterans. There is a reason why he has traveled the circuit in his coaching career. 

 

https://wgntv.com/2018/10/17/happy-anniversary-coach-q-celebrating-ten-years-of-joel-quenneville-with-the-blackhawks/

 

The hiring of Joel Quenneville did jolt that talented team he inherited. But let's not get carried away because although the talent level is much improved from last year this roster is still far from being a complete roster. Right now what this team doesn't need is another coaching change so soon from the last coaching change. Stability has not been the hallmark of the sports organizations that Pegula has owned. Jumping ship too soon can be as much of a mistake as staying on the ship for too long. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

9 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I'm not doubting that coaching is an important factor to success but I'm not accepting the 70-80% difference. Where I agree with you is that there should be a match between the makeup of the roster and the personality and style of the coach. A John Tortorella ogre type coach might be suitable for some teams but his excessively tough style of coaching might not work with a roster full of veterans. There is a reason why he has traveled the circuit in his coaching career. 

 

https://wgntv.com/2018/10/17/happy-anniversary-coach-q-celebrating-ten-years-of-joel-quenneville-with-the-blackhawks/

 

The hiring of Joel Quenneville did jolt that talented team he inherited. But let's not get carried away because although the talent level is much improved from last year this roster is still far from being a complete roster. Right now what this team doesn't need is another coaching change so soon from the last coaching change. Stability has not been the hallmark of the sports organizations that Pegula has owned. Jumping ship too soon can be as much of a mistake as staying on the ship for too long. 

I see.  Thanx for explanation.

[26CornerBlitz]

I like this pest prospect who has some skill.

 

Edited October 17, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[26CornerBlitz]