Max Fischer Posted June 8, 2018 Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, DC Tom said: Unquestionably. I assumed you are not serious, but I've read your posts and I'm afraid you are not. Edited June 8, 2018 by Max Fischer 1
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 8, 2018 Posted June 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: I assumed you are not serious, but I've read your posts and I'm afraid you are not. You disagree with the idea that individuals who work their way through difficult problems with logic, instead of feeling their way through them and expressing their ideas in terms of emotions, are more likely to have a firmer understanding of the subject matter?
DC Tom Posted June 8, 2018 Posted June 8, 2018 16 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: I assumed you are not serious, but I've read your posts and I'm afraid you are not. I don't really care. Your post, both the above and the one I responded to, are uninformed and emotional.
Golden Goat Posted June 8, 2018 Posted June 8, 2018 On 6/7/2018 at 8:59 AM, BringBackFergy said: Shoot, car racing might be the only pure sport left. It's also the only true "left-leaning" sport! ? 2
Rob's House Posted June 8, 2018 Posted June 8, 2018 35 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: If you don't know then you must be one of them uninformed people you don't like. That's a weak response, even for you. I'm quite sure you don't know the answer so I'll tell you. They protest because they want to have a purpose.
reddogblitz Posted June 8, 2018 Posted June 8, 2018 On 6/7/2018 at 7:05 AM, shrader said: Some political talk from the NHL? The only thing I can think of that comes even remotely close to that is talk over the value of the canadian dollar. I don't follow hockey but it seems there has been some news lately of fans giving the black hockey player a hard time. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/devante-smith-pelly-nhl-racial-taunt-chicago-blackhawks-washington-capitals/
shrader Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 5 hours ago, reddogblitz said: I don't follow hockey but it seems there has been some news lately of fans giving the black hockey player a hard time. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/devante-smith-pelly-nhl-racial-taunt-chicago-blackhawks-washington-capitals/ Thats pretty much a once a year story. I wouldn’t call it political though.
Prickly Pete Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) I think the players are having a MASSIVE effect! Apparently North Korea is going to denuclearize, and has sought peace with South Korea. Black Unemployment is at records lows. The economy is going well. Murder rates are down in Chicago None of this would have happened without them. These guys deserve a big round of applause! I salute you! Edited June 9, 2018 by OJABBA 1
Doc Brown Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 12 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: The issue is that you can't stop policing crime, and crime needs to be policed where it happens. Compounding the issue is, you can't have a situation where people committing crimes aren't being sentenced for racial reasons, especially given the need to work to eliminate/reduce crime in those areas. Those individuals who are economically at risk, and are not themselves criminals, need to have safe communities to raise their kids in, free from gangs and open drug use, in order to have any chance at breaking the cycle of poverty. In order to do this you have to get rid of the criminals, which means higher incarceration rates. Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion of the 1994 crime bill?
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion of the 1994 crime bill? About as irrelevant as Drew Bledsoe's opinion of the Louisiana Purchase. 1
row_33 Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 5 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion of the 1994 crime bill? It’s amusing to see libs routinely attack the legacy of Bill Clinton because of it. In five years his legacy with libs will be lower than whale vomit.
njbuff Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 15 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion of the 1994 crime bill? The New York Rangers winning the Stanley Cup.
Paulus Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 On 6/7/2018 at 6:59 AM, BringBackFergy said: I may have to become a NASCAR fan NFL is full of political content NBA - absolutely MLB - Yeah, to a certain extent NCAA sports are now politicized Golf - Sometimes NHL - I've heard some Soccer - Maybe not, although the governing body has political motivations Shoot, car racing might be the only pure sport left. The sport of kings is pretty apolitical.
Walking Tall Posted June 10, 2018 Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) I’ve just stopped watching pre-game shows and tune the games in right at 1pm. I don’t like the kneeling so I chose to not watch the kneelers kneeling. And, yes, they have the right to do that. Edited June 10, 2018 by Binghamton Beast 1
DC Tom Posted June 10, 2018 Posted June 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: I’ve just stopped watching pre-game shows and tune the games in right at 1pm. I don’t like the kneeling so I chose to not watch the kneelers kneeling. And, yes, they have the right to do that. And teams, and the league, have the right to set rules saying they must stand, and punish them for it. In fact, if they don't, and if they endorse it...it's not a protest.
Walking Tall Posted June 10, 2018 Posted June 10, 2018 23 minutes ago, DC Tom said: And teams, and the league, have the right to set rules saying they must stand, and punish them for it. In fact, if they don't, and if they endorse it...it's not a protest. Agreed.
row_33 Posted June 10, 2018 Posted June 10, 2018 It’s not ruining sports, but it’s a factor making it less enjoyable 1
Juror#8 Posted June 10, 2018 Posted June 10, 2018 On 6/8/2018 at 1:56 PM, TakeYouToTasker said: Fully acknowledging that people don't start in the same place, and the truly disadvantaged have the tallest hills to climb, individuals absolutely shoulder the blame for the poor choices they make; and the choices people make are even more important when their is less margin for error. Poverty, like wealth, is intergenerational. If you are poor, and you do not graduate from high school, do not have a job, and/or have children out of wedlock you are far more likely, by multitudes, to normalize that lifestyle for your progeny, and pass down your poverty to them. This is a fact, and regardless of how uncomfortable it may be, it does not change the reality. There is no substitute for an involved two parent family who takes an active involvement in their child's education. None. Worse, you won't even begin to solve the problem until you accept this absolute truth. Black Americans have agency. They are responsible for the choices they make. The change needs to begin in black communities, where black community leaders must advocate for intact black families who embrace upright social responsibility. There has to be a massive cultural change. Assignment: read Tasker’s responses in the voice of Robert California from “The Office.” It’s interesting how we envision people in these forums. But that’s how I’ve personified Tasker. Good mother!@#$in dude that drops gems in his posts. Good stuff. 3
Juror#8 Posted June 10, 2018 Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) On 6/8/2018 at 1:56 PM, TakeYouToTasker said: Fully acknowledging that people don't start in the same place, and the truly disadvantaged have the tallest hills to climb, individuals absolutely shoulder the blame for the poor choices they make; and the choices people make are even more important when their is less margin for error. Poverty, like wealth, is intergenerational. If you are poor, and you do not graduate from high school, do not have a job, and/or have children out of wedlock you are far more likely, by multitudes, to normalize that lifestyle for your progeny, and pass down your poverty to them. This is a fact, and regardless of how uncomfortable it may be, it does not change the reality. There is no substitute for an involved two parent family who takes an active involvement in their child's education. None. Worse, you won't even begin to solve the problem until you accept this absolute truth. Black Americans have agency. They are responsible for the choices they make. The change needs to begin in black communities, where black community leaders must advocate for intact black families who embrace upright social responsibility. There has to be a massive cultural change. You’re on to something here, I think. Not everything, I know. But something, I’m sure. So I’m going to try to support and develop your post in the best way I know how - experientially. I’d be remiss if I didn’t say that half you mother!@#$ers have no earthly clue what you’re talking about. (Yes people have a reason to be protesting and good on them for using their platform and a peaceful means through which to try to bring attention to something they consider a social ill. You don’t have to agree with why they’re protesting, and as such you can peacefully protest too with your pocketbooks, but don’t make your disagreement about an ideological refutation of why they’re protesting). That’s not entirely your fault though. It’s truly probably just as well. Your idea of the inner city comes from nightly news programs, rap personalities, and tv dramas which sell out verisimilitude in their quest for sensation. “Verisimilitude”: thanks mom. The issue, and the disconnect, and where the failings are within the black community are grounded in educational shortcomings. The fault of those shortcomings are complex and fall into a lot of categories that would take a while to explore. But back to the experiential ... I grew up in the hood. For the uninitiated white folks, the “inner city.” 1. Reisterstown Road in the 410 2. then we moved to Takoma Park and lived in the high rises behind the Old Giant (a little ghetto but not really a hood spot), 3. then to District Heights and Mt. Ranier within the same year 4. then right across the line and we stayed with my uncle Lamont in Barry Farm (at the tail end the crack epidemic but it was still a **** storm) 5. then Silver Spring back before the revitalization (I still remember walking from City Place mall to where we were renting a room off Thayer Ave when I worked at the Burger King in the food court at City Place and Paris Glendining was walking with a bunch of people with hard hats. I recognized him and said “hi” and he ignored me). There is a hood motif - “if you want to get out of the hood you either sell crack rock or have a wicked jump shot.” As cynical as that is, it’s a prevailing theme in the parts of the inner city that I’ve lived in. No one extolled the benefits of academic success. You went to school so you didn’t have to see the truancy officers and the truancy vans. Not because it was an avenue to success. It didnt help that architecturally the schools were dilapidated, the books were outdated and some in the same class had different text book editions, and that during 10th grade the heat in most of the building was out so they sent a letter home telling students to bring a coat and if they couldn’t afford one, the school had a coat lend program. No one is thinking about breaking the cycle of multi-generational poverty, or the benefits of academics, when they don’t have a !@#$ing coat when it cold and they don’t want to wear the one with the sewed on orange patch on the inner right side that identified it as a school lend. Are you kidding me?? People are having meltdowns over cyber-bullying now when back in the early 90s you were pilloried if you wore the woats (they called them “woat” for “welfare coat). “Show me the inside of your coat.” “No.” Someone yells: “This nigga wearing a woat.” In the middle of the cafeteria no less. Most people aren’t thinking about being the rose that grows out of the crack in the cement when they’re wearing a woat and they just got made so they know they’re either going to get mercilessly made fun of, just have to be cold, or jack a coat and hope for the best. That thought is penetratingly all-encompassing and doesn’t leave room for retaining scientific classifications in Biology. And then just getting to school was a !@#$ing show. Because you couldn’t make it there without being intercepted by someone about something. Either someone wanted something, wanted you to do something, or wanted you to try something. If you ignored them, it was either disrespectful and an ass whoopin or you got the woat treatment. People arent thinking about academic excellence when they have to maneuver their way to school to and from in order to avoid an ass-whoopin. And I wont even go into the !@#$ing bass heads asking everyone for money with puss around their lips and scratching their !@#$ing bleeding scab-filled skin that we’d see everyday on our way to this place every morning that’s supposed to be some salvation from all the craziness. The fiend lines at 6:30 in the morning were epic. Niggas can’t get up for work but theyll be 10 minutes early for that early-morning allocation of the best smack. The hoppers want people od’ing and drooling on themselves early and the rest of the bass heads to see them so they can sell the weak **** the rest of the day. Hood marketing. My mom didn’t want us to make excuses for not going to school so she drove us past the rifraf and to the front school doors every day in her 1976 Toyota Corona. My dad wasn’t in the picture from about middle school on. When he wasn’t thinking with his dick he was acting directly on its behalf. Probably a trait that he handed down. He also probably liked the idea of having a family more than he liked having a family. A trait thankfully that he didnt hand down. So my mom and her 2.5 jobs was how we made it. And also why we moved so much because we were frequently living with family members and my mom’s friends (shout out Ms. Thelma) when times were tough and there was less overtime at the Wendy’s she assistant managed. My my mom was the first black Republican I ever knew. Politics has less to do with this than it does the fact that she did push an agenda of not letting us feel sorry for ourselves. So I keep that as part of my politics and even though I’m middle of the road, I have a strong self-determination streak that informs my politics. And it’s why I’m independent and have voted cross the isle many times. One Christmas we knew we wouldn’t have any gifts. My mom told us in advance that we wouldn’t have gifts to avoid the suspense. “Either they evict us or no gifts this year.” But we woke up to something under the tree. And my mom standing there almost crying. She said she couldn’t give us anything nice, or Jordans, or a Starter Jacket, but she could give us this. There were two red milk crates with old books in them. Some had torn covers and pages missing. They were free from the public library because the condition was such that they were no longer considered fit for public readability I guess. Vonnegut, Dostoyevsky, Bronte, dictionary, a Latin dictionary, a bunch of Hardy Boy and Nancy Drew mysteries. We read them all. No bull ****, we did. And my mom made us write sentences using dictionary words and find a synonym and antonym and the correct part of speech. !@#$ing brilliant. I didnt realize the impact that had until I used “egregious” naturally speaking in a sentence in school and it just made sense. It rolled off the tongue naturally at 15. “Egregious”: thanks mom. I have an undergraduate degree from an Ivy League light school and a graduate degree from an Ivy League school. I live in a neighborhood where the median family income is about $200,000 a year. My white neighbors would probably look at me weird for being there if I didn’t step out of a new M3 everyday. They probably think I have a wicked jump shot. Not everyone has a mom who wouldn’t let their family veg out on tv and who would drive them to school and make them read to supplement for what wasn’t being taught at school. My best best best friend growing up is 14 years into his 276 months in Jessup. He was tired of wearing a woat. He couldn’t avoid the rifraf He was tired of being 12 and also cold and hungry and being told to learn algebra. He just didn’t think that at 17 it should be that hard. So he found a temporary avenue out. Mother!@#$ers aren’t stupid. The inner city culture just isn’t inherently conducive to being successful. It instead promotes survival instincts by any means necessary. “They know I’m a sinna, but it was cold in the winta and eating out of the trash, that ****’ll make you a killa.” -Rick Ross You can blame it on the parents. But they wore woats too. And they dealt with rifraf, just their rifraf had Afros and leather jackets. And their parents wore woats and had rifraf. Their rifraf put “lie” in their hair and said “daddeo.” Eventually you’ll get back to the root of this generational struggle. And it’s that at some point at some time black folks weren’t allowed to get an education or read. By the time they were legally allowed to get an education, it was with fifty year old text books in schools that were a collection of closets. By the time a legal correction to that was on the books, in 54, many white teachers didn’t want to teach them and white students didn’t want to sit next to them. Hold up, social media bullying is the !@#$ing scourge of the earth and the seven-seas though ... And then once white folks said “!@#$ it” and just picked up and left the area en masse, the schools they left in their wake, in what became inner cities, were underfunded and not properly taught. So even though there was no longer institutionalized barriers, the generational and psychological ones had taken hold. Generations upon generations upon generations of not being able to be equal and then getting the **** end of the stick under the color of law does some **** to people. It attaches itself to outlooks and it admits itself through environmental disrepair. That falls into into the category of “like it or not.” Think that was ages ago ... well that’s interesting because my parents were in segregated schools. That’s how recent that **** was. One (just now two) generation ago. I’m the first generation not subject to segregation. After tens of generations in the shitter, mother!@#$ers get one foot out and people think they should be !@#$ing bar-b-quing and brimming with sustained success. Not sure it works that way. People look at **** too theoretically and in a vacuum. But spend a day down in West Baltimore schools or in Southeast dc or any hood near you and I guarantee you won’t be talking that theoretical ****. But it’s easy to opine in a vacuum. I get it. Just so long as you realize that it’s incomplete analysis, then I guess it don’t make me no kinda nevermind. Edited June 10, 2018 by Juror#8 5
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