Shots Fired! Tim Graham calls out Vic Carruci for Posing with The Biscuit

[BadLandsMeanie]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Why did Timmah delete the tweet if he didn't mean anything by it?

Hey may not have deleted it himself. It may have been removed.

 

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Are the potentially far reaching consequences of criminal acts just dawning upon you?

 

Using a horrible moment from Bennett's life?  Interesting take.

I understood his saying a "horrible moment from a person's life" to be about the victim.

Which Graham is using. Maybe she isn't happy to be used as a pawn here. Maybe she would prefer that the events of that time of her life are not dredged up 20 years later by a wierdo reporter in this context. 

 

Unless he asked her. Do you suppose Tim Graham asked her? 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Are you familiar with Timmy's posting history here, and infamous tweeting? It's more reacting than thinking.

Nope I am not. Thanks.

Edited June 5, 2018 by BadLandsMeanie

[blacklabel]

4 hours ago, stony said:

Interesting.  Pretty sure he started at ESPN around 08/09.  TG has noted he turned down another contract at ESPN to return to the BN.  

 

You're right, he started ESPN in '08, left in '11. It's possible they chose not to renew his contract. 

 

Either way, all this parading around trying to be some kinda "voice for justice" or whatever is crap. Nobody's perfect, everyone has red flags in some regard. It'd be nice if people just worried about themselves and what they can do to be better person or what they can do to provide more value to society. Pointing out every little thing they find offensive or trying to defend people/cultures that aren't asking you to defend them isn't really helping things in this current social climate. And this is just a general statement, has nothing to do with what Timmy thinks of Vic getting a photo with butthole Biscuit.

[mob16151]

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

That is one ignorant mother !@#$er.

 

 

 

He said woke. Thats a douchebag phrase.

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Are you familiar with Timmy's posting history here, and infamous tweeting? It's more reacting than thinking.

 

Now i wanna go see if the TG meltdown thread is still in the archives. Good stuff,good stuff.

 

And i had absolutely nothing to do with TG leaving. My username was nowhere near that thread at the time.?

[blacklabel]

6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Thanks for sharing your back-story on those comments

 

I agree, I respect Tim Graham as a feature writer - very high quality stuff - and do not respect how he engages on social media, including what I saw of him here since 2008 (that being when I joined)

 

Edit: rereading what I wrote, it was a genuine expression of surprise - is this guy exercising an elaborate leg-pull or is it legit? But in hindsight I can see it could have been taken as snarky, so Kudos! to you for providing a genuine answer to a genuine expression of surprise.

 

I didn't interpret your initial comment as snarky at all. And I can see how you linked it to the Brandon thing with how recent that is and also Whaley, who we know took a little heat for passing around inappropriate emails when he was with the Steelers. 

 

There are reports out there of male ESPN employees openly watching porn and other inappropriate videos while at work with like, zero awareness or respect for others in the workplace. Some guys were also reprimanded for keeping a "hot list" consisting of female coworkers. I can buy that, too, considering all the sweeping changes and exits made at ESPN over the last year, year and a half. Hell, Chris Berman recently found himself in hot water for sending a threatening email to Jemele Hill. So, knowing that, it makes the crap I saw about Tim a while back plausible because it seems like when he was there, ESPN had a much different atmosphere.

 

And the social media interactions these guys do, ugh, but some of them are genuinely good guys to talk to. Joe B, Matt Fairburn, Sal C, those guys are generally pretty responsive over social media. For a time, I was considering starting a football blog of my own so I reached out to a number of local sportswriters in Buffalo. Joe B actually offered to meet with me and after a few schedule changes, we sat down and talked football/media/writing for about an hour. I received detailed responses to my questions from Fairburn (extremely nice and exceptionally hardworking cat), Sal C (also incredibly nice and hardworking, really does his homework to make sure what he shares is based in fact), heck, even got a response from Sal M, who reminds me a bit of a grumpy uncle, but honestly, he came off very nice and shared solid advice. People give him crap a lot, but IMO, the guy is nearly 30+ years into his career, I think he's just feeling burnout and at times his writing will reflect that. But some other media personalities choose to act entitled and arrogant and come off as if they're the only link between the fans and the team, which is definitely not the case anymore.

[Gugny]

16 minutes ago, mob16151 said:

 

 

He said woke. Thats a douchebag phrase.

 

 

Woke makes him a douche.  Everything else makes him an ignorant mother !@#$er.

[K-9]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Woke makes him a douche.  Everything else makes him an ignorant mother !@#$er.

Tim be all like:

 

In his Woke jeans

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Why did Timmah delete the tweet if he didn't mean anything by it?

 

 

...TT...Typical Timmy........heard from connections in Buffalo that this clown can be a nasty vindictive turd when he has an axe to grind......many connections think he has been the "leaker" for quite some time.......including his alleged hatred for the now deposed Brandon.....

Edited June 5, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, Lurker said:

Interesting thought:  Couldn't TG's criticism of Vic being in the picture with Bennett extend to Jimbo inviting him in the first place?   

 

That is a possibility, but it brings me back to this:  Tim Graham is an excellent writer who can (like most excellent writers) use words very precisely to convey his intended meanings.

I would find it hard to believe Graham would say "Strange to see my coworker with his arm around a convicted rapist"  if what he meant was something like "Strange to see the Kellys invite a convicted rapist to their event"

 

4 hours ago, Lurker said:

If Corney's such menace to society and all-round moral scourge, why would a highly religious couple like Jim and Jill even associate with him?  

 

Lots of folks excuse behavior in former colleagues and friends that they'd sincerely deplore in people they don't know

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

......including his alleged hatred for the now deposed Brandon.....

Well, that could be any of a number of fans or interested bystanders as well.

 

"Major Strasser (Brandon) has been shot..........round up the usual suspects."

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

You seem to be kinda' grudgey about perceived offenses that seem far less severe..........like columnists with negative takes on a Bills organization that missed the playoffs for 17 straight years and hasn't had a home playoff game in nearly a quarter century.......for example.?

 

You seem a little....fixated upon my alleged "grudgyness"

 

Let's just point out that this IS a football discussion forum, where we discuss football issues....I think it would be mistaken to draw conclusions about anyone's general interests or the overall importance they assign to actions or events, based off what football-related topics they choose to discuss here.   However, that seems to be where you're going. 

 

Strange.

 

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Why did Timmah delete the tweet if he didn't mean anything by it?

 

Perhaps he received a phone call from a lawyer.

[Foxx]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

...   The choice of context a media figure makes for a call-out is relevant.  If nothing else, it influences the respect and access Graham has with those involved in the event, and influences reader perception of ... 

 

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You seem a little....fixated upon my alleged "grudgyness"

 

Let's just point out that this IS a football discussion forum, where we discuss football issues....I think it would be mistaken to draw conclusions about anyone's general interests or the overall importance they assign to actions or events, based off what football-related topics they choose to discuss here.   However, that seems to be where you're going. 

 

Strange.

what seems a bit strange is how the choice of context applies to one but doesn't to .......??

 

perception is influenced by what is written and how it is written and the lengths one may go to 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Well, that could be any of a number of fans or interested bystanders as well.

 

"Major Strasser (Brandon) has been shot..........round up the usual suspects."

 

...LMAO....I tipped my hour glass over to see how long a response like that would take...YOU WIN!!!...........

Edited June 5, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[BADOLBILZ]

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You seem a little....fixated upon my alleged "grudgyness"

 

Let's just point out that this IS a football discussion forum, where we discuss football issues....I think it would be mistaken to draw conclusions about anyone's general interests or the overall importance they assign to actions or events, based off what football-related topics they choose to discuss here.   However, that seems to be where you're going. 

 

Strange.

 

 

Perhaps he received a phone call from a lawyer.

 

 

I thought your work in the Bucky/Sully thread was a bit self-serving Mr. Moderator.   You let pages of false narrative go on because you wanted to get your pound of flesh wrt your opinions of TBN writers.  The fixation is all yours though.   As evidenced in your pm's and following me in threads to edit my posts.    

 

Good point about it probably being a phone call from a lawyer though.  Biscuit could sue Tim Graham for thousands............and then he could tell his side of the story again and see how the public reacts in 2018.   Go for it Biscuit.   Hapless thinks you have a case!   

 

 

[sullim4]

3 hours ago, john wawrow said:

 

i've been snarky since i joined this board many moons ago.

i am snarky to those whom i have little time for, given the things they've posted.

i've engaged plenty with people in "actual dialog."

in fact, i'm doing so now.

 

which is it? i don't think you're giving a "shout out to sports writer."

 

also never said i was all that important. in fact, i've often noted the opposite, given that my wife is a teacher.

and yet, you're the one that keeps mentioning me and my colleagues.

 

actually, it's credibility.

we get readers because we have established that one thing in our career. otherwise, i don't give two craps whether you like me.

 

jw

 

 

 

You're the exception to the rule... you've always participated on this board respectfully and haven't gotten defensive.  You haven't burned bridges, you have contacts within the team, and break actual stories.  You author articles that many people enjoy reading.  You don't have a "holier than thou" attitude towards criticism.

 

Other members of the Buffalo media act differently.

[Jpsredemption]

Interesting that people are all over Graham for his mistake over what Bennett was convicted for.

 

Wonder if this same crowd held Kaepernick accountable when he stated that cops were murdering people. Define murder.

Edited June 5, 2018 by Jpsredemption

[Hapless Bills Fan]

16 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

I thought your work in the Bucky/Sully thread was a bit self-serving Mr. Moderator.   You let pages of false narrative go on because you wanted to get your pound of flesh wrt your opinions of TBN writers.  The fixation is all yours though.   As evidenced in your pm's and following me in threads to edit my posts.   

 

It is not my job as a moderator to control the narrative or pronounce upon whether it's "true" or "false", only to try to keep the discussion within certain loose bounds of civility and football relevance.  

 

Inappropriate language such as insults to other posters will sometimes be edited and inappropriate posts removed by moderators.

 

I know as a long time poster here you surely know this, but since you seem determined to craft your own narrative of what's going on here, I'll put it out there.

 

 

 

 

[IDBillzFan]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Why did Timmah delete the tweet if he didn't mean anything by it?

 

A lawyer, no doubt, told him to get rid of it. Won't matter. Biscuit can still sue. Then we'll see how 'woke' Timmah really is.

 

13 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:

Interesting that people are all over Graham for his mistake over what Bennett was convicted for.

 

It's not about the mistake. It's that he felt the need to do it at all. During a JK event. On the day it's announced JK is getting the Jimmy V award.

 

The fact that he incorrectly called him a convicted rapist just reminds everyone what a douchebag he is.

[Lurker]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I would find it hard to believe Graham would say "Strange to see my coworker with his arm around a convicted rapist"  if what he meant was something like "Strange to see the Kellys invite a convicted rapist to their event"

 

I agree.  I believe TG meant what he said.  So the real question is, "Why single out Vic?" 

[BadLandsMeanie]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I thought your work in the Bucky/Sully thread was a bit self-serving Mr. Moderator.   You let pages of false narrative go on because you wanted to get your pound of flesh wrt your opinions of TBN writers.  The fixation is all yours though.   As evidenced in your pm's and following me in threads to edit my posts.    

 

Good point about it probably being a phone call from a lawyer though.  Biscuit could sue Tim Graham for thousands............and then he could tell his side of the story again and see how the public reacts in 2018.   Go for it Biscuit.   Hapless thinks you have a case!   

 

 

Why don't you leave him alone? Why don't you drop the moderator talk? 

I know the pattern. You believe that taunting a moderator makes you look brave. And rebellious.  It makes you feel brave. Makes you smile.

 

While all the while you are essentially cowering behind the restraint he must have as a moderator.

 

You have been at this for at least days now. Goodness knows how long for real, I have only begun to notice for the last few days.

 

Next you will accuse me of kissing up to a moderator. I know how this story goes.

 

Just so you know, if it was up to me I would give you one clear warning to stop, And to not even go anywhere near doing what you are doing. To make no cute attempt to skirt the warning.

 

And then if you did it again I would kick you and your 11,000 posts out of here. Because that is probably where this will end anyways. No normal person carries on like you are.

 

Argue and debate if you want, but leave the moderator part completely out of it in word and in deed. That's my opinion. 

 

We now return to our regular schedule programming.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 5, 2018 by BadLandsMeanie

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

Woke makes him a douche.  Everything else makes him an ignorant mother !@#$er.

 

 

54 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Inappropriate language such as insults to other posters will sometimes be edited and inappropriate posts removed by moderators.

 

 

 

You missed a few.  See the one up top?   Easy to understand why because you are also critical of Tim Grah.........I mean because it was such a LONG POST.    That's why you missed it.   Yep.