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1 hour ago, Pbomb said:

Cant believe this thread, like other tyrod threads keep going. What more can be said about the guy who isnt even on the team anymore.

Wait until he leads the Browns to the AFC championship game & than Superbowl........some people's heads are going to spontaniously combust!  

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2 hours ago, grb said:

 

Quote :  "......the passing game was never going to become a viable offensive THREAT, especially downfield"

 

This is where the anti-Taylor shtick gets bizarre. The only time the man had a downfield threat he was fifth in the NFL in yards per attempt. Hell, whenever Taylor had Woods and Watkins on the same field, he averaged 8.25 yards per pass, which is exceptional for any quarterback, any year. But in 2016 his number-one receiver / downfield threat sat half the season and ran on a broken left foot when he did play. All of latter '16 his number-two receiver was severely hobbled as well. And in 2017?  He had Deonte Thompson, which is all you need to say about that

 

The anti-Taylor position seems to be this : It's a gosh-darn coincidence Taylor's ability to push the ball downfield reduced exactly as the quality of his offensive weapons dropped lower and lower. The two phenomena have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Instead Taylor "regressed" and he now can't do something he did better than most qbs just a short time ago. The ability vanished from his body the exact same time (coincidence) he was saddled with one of the league-worst sets of receivers.

 

So, two questions :

  1. Do even the anti-Taylor people believe something so stupid?
  2. Is it finally time for team and fans to grow up? Because the Bills now have a quarterback that looks like they think a quarterback should : first-rounder, tall, strong-armed, etc, etc, etc. But so far they've made no greater effort to set him up to succeed than with Taylor. It's not all bad news - the O coordinator has to be better, and running back depth isn't the perverse joke of last year - but line and receivers will probably prove mediocre to abysmal. Yet maybe this is the point team and fans face the responsibility of building for success in the real world, as opposed to playing BS games, indulging in stupid&petty recriminations and wallowing in empty fantasy.

The Bills have their "real" quarterback - but with real quarterbacks comes great responsibility (to paraphrase Voltaire or Peter Parker) 

 

 

 

Tell me who Jimmy Garappolo, Brian Hoyer, and CJ Beathard were throwing to out in SF. 

 

Because those three seemed to find ways to "push the ball downfield".

 

Hell, JG didn't even start the season on that team. No OTAs, no training camp, nothing other than a month of practices and he was already putting up numbers that TT couldn't at his absolute best. 

 

http://pfref.com/pi/share/blOtJ  

 

JG put up a stat line of 20-33 for 334yds 1TD/1INT throwing to: 

 

Marquise Goodwin

Kyle Juszczyk

Garrett Celek

Trent Taylor

George Kittle

Aldrick Robinson 

 

and the game-breaker himself... Louis Murphy. 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Tell me who Jimmy Garappolo, Brian Hoyer, and CJ Beathard were throwing to out in SF. 

 

Because those three seemed to find ways to "push the ball downfield".

 

Hell, JG didn't even start the season on that team. No OTAs, no training camp, nothing other than a month of practices and he was already putting up numbers that TT couldn't at his absolute best. 

 

http://pfref.com/pi/share/blOtJ  

 

JG put up a stat line of 20-33 for 334yds 1TD/1INT throwing to: 

 

Marquise Goodwin

Kyle Juszczyk

Garrett Celek

Trent Taylor

George Kittle

Aldrick Robinson 

 

and the game-breaker himself... Louis Murphy. 

 

 

Nobody was pushing anything down the field until jimmy g stepped in. Go look at the passing numbers before he was inserted. You say really silly things sometimes. 

 

...... and is anyone even arguing that Taylor looks like the sort of qb that JG looks like right now? 

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31 minutes ago, JPP said:

Wait until he leads the Browns to the AFC championship game & than Superbowl........some people's heads are going to spontaniously combust!  

Dude will be benched by third preseaon game

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16 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Nobody was pushing anything down the field until jimmy g stepped in. Go look at the passing numbers before he was inserted. You say really silly things sometimes. 

 

...... and is anyone even arguing that Taylor looks like the sort of qb that JG looks like right now? 

 

Tell you what.... I won't even respond to this and will give you a chance to go look up Brian Hoyer's game log from 2017 and edit your post. 

 

As for the second point, it apparently went over your head. To answer your question, no -- no one else is making that connection except me. The reason for that is because there is such a dedicated effort around here to emphasize the mountain of "obstacles" poor ol' Tyrod had to overcome on his way to 180 yards passing every game. Miraculous! 

 

So, I give you JG as an example of a guy who also had obstacles -- a similar set of no-name weapons, no offseason preparation, moving to the other side of the country, and playing for a bad football team overall.  The offense wasn't "designed for him", he wasn't even on the team until November. 

 

Yet, he managed to actually run a respectable passing offense. 

 

See what I'm getting at here? 

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33 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Tell you what.... I won't even respond to this and will give you a chance to go look up Brian Hoyer's game log from 2017 and edit your post. 

 

As for the second point, it apparently went over your head. To answer your question, no -- no one else is making that connection except me. The reason for that is because there is such a dedicated effort around here to emphasize the mountain of "obstacles" poor ol' Tyrod had to overcome on his way to 180 yards passing every game. Miraculous! 

 

So, I give you JG as an example of a guy who also had obstacles -- a similar set of no-name weapons, no offseason preparation, moving to the other side of the country, and playing for a bad football team overall.  The offense wasn't "designed for him", he wasn't even on the team until November. 

 

Yet, he managed to actually run a respectable passing offense. 

 

See what I'm getting at here? 

I already looked up his numbers. Which led to me saying you say silly things. He wasn’t pushing anything down the field. Stop it. 

 

And PUH-lease. Get over yourself. Didn’t go over my head at all. Everyone knows Taylor isn’t the talent or qb that jimmy g is. JG will most likely end up being a top 5-10 qb in the nfl within the next couple of years. Nobody is claiming the same for Taylor so it’s dumb comparison. 

 

The kicker here is that I truly don’t believe I’ll miss Taylor that much. I’ve been 100% on board with what’s going on..... it’s just that you say really ridiculous stuff to try and prove lame points. 

 

 

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18 hours ago, grb said:

 

Don't really have one.

I'm just collecting quotes to bump after the season begins.........

 

14 hours ago, grb said:

 

Quote :  "......the passing game was never going to become a viable offensive THREAT, especially downfield"

 

This is where the anti-Taylor shtick gets bizarre. The only time the man had a downfield threat he was fifth in the NFL in yards per attempt. Hell, whenever Taylor had Woods and Watkins on the same field, he averaged 8.25 yards per pass, which is exceptional for any quarterback, any year. But in 2016 his number-one receiver / downfield threat sat half the season and ran on a broken left foot when he did play. All of latter '16 his number-two receiver was severely hobbled as well. And in 2017?  He had Deonte Thompson, which is all you need to say about that

 

The anti-Taylor position seems to be this : It's a gosh-darn coincidence Taylor's ability to push the ball downfield reduced exactly as the quality of his offensive weapons dropped lower and lower. The two phenomena have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Instead Taylor "regressed" and he now can't do something he did better than most qbs just a short time ago. The ability vanished from his body the exact same time (coincidence) he was saddled with one of the league-worst sets of receivers.

 

So, two questions :

  1. Do even the anti-Taylor people believe something so stupid?
  2. Is it finally time for team and fans to grow up? Because the Bills now have a quarterback that looks like they think a quarterback should : first-rounder, tall, strong-armed, etc, etc, etc. But so far they've made no greater effort to set him up to succeed than with Taylor. It's not all bad news - the O coordinator has to be better, and running back depth isn't the perverse joke of last year - but line and receivers will probably prove mediocre to abysmal. Yet maybe this is the point team and fans face the responsibility of building for success in the real world, as opposed to playing BS games, indulging in stupid&petty recriminations and wallowing in empty fantasy.

The Bills have their "real" quarterback - but with real quarterbacks comes great responsibility (to paraphrase Voltaire or Peter Parker) 

 

 

 

Take all this to the Browns board.   

 

 

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20 hours ago, grb said:

 

Quote :  "......the passing game was never going to become a viable offensive THREAT, especially downfield"

 

This is where the anti-Taylor shtick gets bizarre. The only time the man had a downfield threat he was fifth in the NFL in yards per attempt. Hell, whenever Taylor had Woods and Watkins on the same field, he averaged 8.25 yards per pass, which is exceptional for any quarterback, any year. But in 2016 his number-one receiver / downfield threat sat half the season and ran on a broken left foot when he did play. All of latter '16 his number-two receiver was severely hobbled as well. And in 2017?  He had Deonte Thompson, which is all you need to say about that

 

The anti-Taylor position seems to be this : It's a gosh-darn coincidence Taylor's ability to push the ball downfield reduced exactly as the quality of his offensive weapons dropped lower and lower. The two phenomena have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Instead Taylor "regressed" and he now can't do something he did better than most qbs just a short time ago. The ability vanished from his body the exact same time (coincidence) he was saddled with one of the league-worst sets of receivers.

 

So, two questions :

  1. Do even the anti-Taylor people believe something so stupid?
  2. Is it finally time for team and fans to grow up? Because the Bills now have a quarterback that looks like they think a quarterback should : first-rounder, tall, strong-armed, etc, etc, etc. But so far they've made no greater effort to set him up to succeed than with Taylor. It's not all bad news - the O coordinator has to be better, and running back depth isn't the perverse joke of last year - but line and receivers will probably prove mediocre to abysmal. Yet maybe this is the point team and fans face the responsibility of building for success in the real world, as opposed to playing BS games, indulging in stupid&petty recriminations and wallowing in empty fantasy.

The Bills have their "real" quarterback - but with real quarterbacks comes great responsibility (to paraphrase Voltaire or Peter Parker) 

 

 

Jesus Christ man, let it go.

 

Tyrod is Cleveland's problem now.

 

Let's move forward! 

 

 

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On 6/9/2018 at 8:14 AM, Teddy KGB said:

 

 

Take all this to the Browns board.   

 

 

This thread should be locked or put in around the NFL

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21 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

Jesus Christ man, let it go.

 

Tyrod is Cleveland's problem now.

 

Let's move forward! 

 

 

 

....well, we could swap Allen/McCarron for him and let threads like this replicate.......SMH.......

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I was a Tyrod supporter. Its threads like this that make me happy hes not here anymore. All people do is argue past each other for 20 pages. 

 

The guy was an afterthought when he came to the Bills. He worked his butt off, we won some games, we broke the playoff drought/curse, hes no longer here.

 

Yes, hes not an elite or upper echelon QB. But also YES, hes a viable starter in this league. 

 

Im excited we have Allen. 

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On 6/9/2018 at 8:14 AM, Teddy KGB said:

 

 

Take all this to the Browns board.   

 

 

 

...this is like watching "I Love Lucy" re-runs...............

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10 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...this is like watching "I Love Lucy" re-runs...............

 

OK, you win my "non sequitor of the week" prize. 

 

"I Love Lucy" reruns vs This Thread - what's the connection?

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25 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

OK, you win my "non sequitor of the week" prize. 

 

"I Love Lucy" reruns vs This Thread - what's the connection?

 

Both cancelled?

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all you have to do is to trust what you see.  Taylor was an athlete who moved the chains because of his supreme athletic ability.  As a quarterback in the traditional sense of the position he was horrible.  This coach staff decided that they wanted something more predictable and stable at the position.   I believe they were correct.  Some may still pine for Taylor.  TIme will tell.  I will end with this. I don't think you can win in the league when the opposition says all we wanted him to do was to play quarterback.     

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

OK, you win my "non sequitor of the week" prize. 

 

"I Love Lucy" reruns vs This Thread - what's the connection?

 

...BOTH are re-runs......OVERPLAYED.......as in re-running re-runs (a/k/a repetitious TT threads, our FORMER QB).....we also have "Bonanza", "Sky King" or "Hollywood Squares" available if you prefer...:thumbsup:

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On 6/8/2018 at 6:55 PM, JPP said:

Wait until he leads the Browns to the AFC championship game & than Superbowl........some people's heads are going to spontaniously combust!  

I'm not worried about that happening in the least. He will be backing up Mayfield by week 5, bank on it.

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4 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I'm not worried about that happening in the least. He will be backing up Mayfield by week 5, bank on it.

Yes my comment was just in fun.....it was a joke just like this entire thread and the same thousand that came before it.....however i do think mayfield will take over sometime in the season but IMO he will have a very very rough 1st year...

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4 minutes ago, JPP said:

Yes my comment was just in fun.....it was a joke just like this entire thread and the same thousand that came before it.....however i do think mayfield will take over sometime in the season but IMO he will have a very very rough 1st year...

 

it's too bad we don't play them this year. It would be fun tearing up that little pip squeak limb from limb.

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Just now, reddogblitz said:

 

it's too bad we don't play them this year. It would be fun tearing up that little pip squeak limb from limb.

agreed....some teams D will bring him back down to earth in a very bad way IMO.....

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9 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...BOTH are re-runs......OVERPLAYED.......as in re-running re-runs (a/k/a repetitious TT threads, our FORMER QB).....we also have "Bonanza", "Sky King" or "Hollywood Squares" available if you prefer...:thumbsup:

 

May I have "Hogan's Heroes", please, with a side order of "The Virginian" and a dash of the CBS "What's My Line?"

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On 6/7/2018 at 12:34 AM, THE SLAMMER said:

Frustrating time in Buffalo. Time to move on, glad we did

 

Yes, the 17 years without playoffs was a very frustrating time in Buffalo. 

 

But Tyrod gave us a few exciting years at the end of that frustrating time and then helped lead us out of the darkness and into light, ending the longest playoff drought in sports.

 

Taylor is no Franchise QB, but he's the best we had in Buffalo for 17+ years.

 

So go get 'em in Cleveland Tyrod... hope you're more appreciated there :thumbsup:

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On 6/7/2018 at 5:34 AM, PeterGriffin said:

Down 24-7 at the start of the 4th Q and the Jest playing soft is when Tyrod did his best work, you expected anything different!

 

14/19 122 yds 1 TD

 

3 sacks and a lost fumble that lead directly to Jets TD 1 play later 

 

9 yards rushing and 1 TD

 

All in 4th Q losing against a team 24-7 then 31-7 trying to run out the clock.

 

Where was Tyrod in the first 3 quarters?

 

He was being virtually 100% of the offense for those 3 quarters, just like he continued to be for the 4th quarter, gaining 190+ yards and passing for a TD behind an offensive line that couldn't block and passing to the likes of Deonte Thompson, Nick O'leary, Say Jones, Logan Thomas, and Jordan Matthews.

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On 6/7/2018 at 6:59 AM, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Imagine if Matthews and O'leary didn't fumble in scoring position. We may have gone into halftime up 14-10 and we may have pulled back within 3 by the beginning of the 4th quarter.

 

Yep... our weapons in 2017 absolutely sucked... and I thought our weapons in 2016 sucked... but damn, we had backup talent almost across the board to throw to.

 

WRs and weapons in 2015 pretty good

 

WRs and weapons in 2016 not so good, probably below average to awful at least half the year

 

WRs and weapons in 2017 below average to awful the whole year

 

What'd we say about Taylor regressing from 2015-2017... wait...

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