Boca BIlls Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 On 5/31/2018 at 7:22 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Right on. In an ideal world, the OL (who are often some of the smartest guys on the team) are able to learn different skills well enough to react as rapidly with all of them. But it's better to do one thing well, than try to run 2 or 3 schemes all badly. Expand People don't understand they are mostly the same. If you can do one type you can do them all. 1
ALF Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 Bodine on with Murph , played every game at OC for his 4 years with Bengals. Just in case we need Groy at OG
reddogblitz Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 On 5/31/2018 at 5:50 PM, ALF said: Nate is a walking angel, and he’s one of the nicest guys you would ever meet. Expand Nice guys finish last.
oldmanfan Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 There's a guy in front of you. Knock him down. Voila 1
YoloinOhio Posted May 31, 2018 Author Posted May 31, 2018 On 5/31/2018 at 7:47 PM, reddogblitz said: Nice guys finish last. Expand 1 2
H2o Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 On 5/31/2018 at 5:50 PM, ALF said: Watched Murph today with Daboll , I'm impressed and optimistic. Side note “They’re great. They’re two great dudes,” said McCarron. “Nate is a walking angel, and he’s one of the nicest guys you would ever meet. Josh has been awesome to work with, and I’ve been trying to help him in every way I can. But we have a really good room. It’s a fun thing to be a part of.” http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Bills-Today-Bills-QBs-work-together-during-open-competition/e960b3e4-2bfd-4442-95f3-01b82d62fbde Expand This made me think of Savior Peterman's avatar. 1 3
ColoradoBills Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 On 5/31/2018 at 5:45 PM, YoloinOhio said: Expand Thanks Yolo for starting the thread. I admit I know about the blocking concepts but didn't know near enough to see how teams use them. I did a little research (albeit google searches) and it is quite interesting. Seems it is mixed as to if teams use one particular scheme or multiple. I found and interesting article about the top running teams (including Buffalo) and what schemes they used in 2016. Bills used both a Zone (inside and outside) and a Gap scheme in 2016. Lot of teams used a combination Hybrid model. Here is the article I mentioned. If other want to research I google NFL BLOCKINGS SCHEMES BY TEAM you get some good insights. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-best-offensive-line-units-by-run-concept-from-2016 On 5/31/2018 at 7:10 PM, Cheektowaga Chad said: Think the better question for Dabol would be, what is the base scheme or go to scheme based on your current players strengths Expand Good question, maybe Daboll wants to try the different schemes and see which one fits his players best. My speculation of course. 3
FappyTheClown Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 (edited) Blocking scheme news? Edited May 31, 2018 by FappyTheClown 3
YoloinOhio Posted May 31, 2018 Author Posted May 31, 2018 (edited) On 5/31/2018 at 8:48 PM, White Linen said: I had no idea Daboll was from Buffalo. Expand St. Francis. He was in Brian Polian’s class. He’s actually from Ontario originally but moved to buffalo in HS i think. Edited May 31, 2018 by YoloinOhio
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 ....great to see that McDaboll can override whatever Castillo is planning......FINALLY..... 2
JPP Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 On 5/31/2018 at 6:09 PM, ColoradoBills said: I was just going to say the same thing. Why would an offense run only one type of scheme? That would be unwise. Expand That would be OC's like our old one Rick Dennision who couldnt adjust to save his life! 1 1
hondo in seattle Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 On 5/31/2018 at 8:18 PM, ColoradoBills said: Thanks Yolo for starting the thread. I admit I know about the blocking concepts but didn't know near enough to see how teams use them. I did a little research (albeit google searches) and it is quite interesting. Seems it is mixed as to if teams use one particular scheme or multiple. I found and interesting article about the top running teams (including Buffalo) and what schemes they used in 2016. Bills used both a Zone (inside and outside) and a Gap scheme in 2016. Lot of teams used a combination Hybrid model. Here is the article I mentioned. If other want to research I google NFL BLOCKINGS SCHEMES BY TEAM you get some good insights. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-best-offensive-line-units-by-run-concept-from-2016 Good question, maybe Daboll wants to try the different schemes and see which one fits his players best. My speculation of course. Expand Good research. Incidentally, I don't get the finally-a-guy-who-gets-it attitude. OCs are - generally speaking - not dummies. They all 'get it' more than the fans 'get it.' Some OCs, though, are better at turning concept into on-the-field reality. Using a combined system has its pros and cons. Mastery is the con. There's a reason Vince Lombardi had a simpler playbook than other coaches - he wanted to his players to execute at a high level more than he wanted to out-smart and out-scheme his opponent. Sounds like Daboll is at the other end of the spectrum. General George S. Patton once said something to the effect that 5% of the success of any plan depends on the plan itself - the rest is execution. I'm indifferent to Daboll's use of different blocking schemes. I want to know if he can create an offense that actually scores points.
ColoradoBills Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 On 5/31/2018 at 9:43 PM, hondo in seattle said: Good research. Incidentally, I don't get the finally-a-guy-who-gets-it attitude. OCs are - generally speaking - not dummies. They all 'get it' more than the fans 'get it.' Some OCs, though, are better at turning concept into on-the-field reality. Using a combined system has its pros and cons. Mastery is the con. There's a reason Vince Lombardi had a simpler playbook than other coaches - he wanted to his players to execute at a high level more than he wanted to out-smart and out-scheme his opponent. Sounds like Daboll is at the other end of the spectrum. General George S. Patton once said something to the effect that 5% of the success of any plan depends on the plan itself - the rest is execution. I'm indifferent to Daboll's use of different blocking schemes. I want to know if he can create an offense that actually scores points. Expand In the end it's all that counts. It was interesting reading about how other NFL OC's use their schemes.
Shaw66 Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 On 5/31/2018 at 6:19 PM, YoloinOhio said: Probably more difficult to integrate multiple schemes Expand Shades of Belichick. He sets high expectations, and McD does too.
Cripple Creek Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 On 5/31/2018 at 7:24 PM, swnybillsfan said: well, we've certainly seen what happens when people try really hard to be the smartest guy in the room. you can end up getting the wind taken right out of your sails. Expand or vice versa
3rdand12 Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 On 5/31/2018 at 5:45 PM, YoloinOhio said: Expand I think i am in love. whisper more sweet things in my ear Brian ; )
Cripple Creek Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 On 5/31/2018 at 8:56 PM, YoloinOhio said: St. Francis. He was in Brian Polian’s class. He’s actually from Ontario originally but moved to buffalo in HS i think. Expand Much earlier. Became a US citizen at 12.
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 One of Coach Daboll's imperatives is to have 11 men on the field for the plays. See, he's already ahead of Wrecks! 1
3rdand12 Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 On 5/31/2018 at 6:15 PM, mrags said: That’s great but at the same time it’s trying to have your linemen learn many different duties. If they can’t master 1, they won’t all master 2 or 3. Expand well , let me suggest this ? Perhaps they do not need to master any One particular feature . Just become average or better at all of them ? Now some will excel in certain areas of course. so you use those as matchups on game day. this is smart. More so because it might raise the grade of the line while lessing the grade of the individual at times. Team game. Coaches need to make best use of what they have until always. If the Bills had a dominant line ? they just run " Their Game" and dare teams to stop it. I like the holistic perspective Daboll has. Time to double down on my enthusiasm about him coming to Buffalo at this point in time. I became a fan right after he was hired . Read up on him and some fine help here ! I Like It On 5/31/2018 at 8:55 PM, FappyTheClown said: Blocking scheme news? Expand i am scared to say.... that is one of my favorite features of Football , Blocking schemes vs players executing them. love to watch that stuff. When we are on Defense i am still watching what the O line is giving them. flame away On 5/31/2018 at 9:19 PM, JPP said: That would be OC's like our old one Rick Dennision who couldnt adjust to save his life! Expand fact
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