Paulus Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Dare I suggest that had it been a glowing review, it would have been cited as a "good article" and no one would be discussing the validity of information found on the internet. Youre probably correct, but PFF is not without its flaws, regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: PFF is good for advanced metrics and stats but it’s grades are useless because you can’t accurately grade a player if you don’t know the play call,line call, route combinations, and individual jobs on the play too many variables Advanced metrics lol. Nothing personal but football isn’t baseball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Advanced metrics lol. Nothing personal but football isn’t baseball. There are advanced metrics in football like time in pocket, time to throw. Adjusted yards per attempt, yards before contact etc most are not tracked by the league but Analytic sites do Edited May 28, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: There are advanced metrics in football like time in pocket, time to throw. Adjusted yards per attempt, yards before contact etc most are not tracked by the league but Analytic sites do And most are imo useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: And most are imo useless. I never said they were something amazing. They are mostly useless i said that tracking those stats are the only thing PFF is good for if you like that stuff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 I listened to it, and do not see what is "bone chilling" about. These guys are not credible even a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I never said they were something amazing. They are mostly useless i said that tracking those stats are the only thing PFF is good for if you like that stuff Roger that wing leader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: There are advanced metrics in football like time in pocket, time to throw. Adjusted yards per attempt, yards before contact etc most are not tracked by the league but Analytic sites do Baseball is very different than football it relies on far more on individual performances. In football players performance rely on other players performance. For example a Quarterback has to rely on his line to give him time to throw and his recievers to get open. Also he relies on the running game to prevent the defense from focusing only on the passing game. In baseball a good hitter gets hits It doesn't matter if the players around them suck they'll still get hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Baseball is very different than football it relies on far more on individual performances. In football players performance rely on other players performance. For example a Quarterback has to rely on his line to give him time to throw and his recievers to get open. Also he relies on the running game to prevent the defense from focusing only on the passing game. In baseball a good hitter gets hits It doesn't matter if the players around them suck they'll still get hits. I fully understand that Having grown up on a football field Its the ultimate team game.11 working as 1 working towards a common goal every play. Executing as a whole is key. A perfectly designed Power O off the RT can go for 6 if all work in unison.but if the pulling guard doesn’t stick his man it goes for -1... 1 guy not doing his job is the difference between success and failure 7 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Roger that wing leader I personally don’t know any coaches or scouts that put weight on PFF its for the armchair GMs and pundits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 'Bone chilling'? Hyperbolize much? Or are you looking for the 'clicks'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 To compare college quarterbacks using just numbers without having substantial modifications based on talent around them is almost worthless. If he was close to Deshaun Watson in most good throwing stats I am excited because I think Deshaun is a good QB who played with excellent talent around him. Allen played with little better than a dumpster fire. I have high expectations if they give him a chance to adjust to the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) funny or sad depending on your perspective how these keyboard cowardly uninalists pontificate about their analytical expertise but NONE ever get gainful employment in the NFL..perhaps they're too advanced......... Edited May 28, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 51 minutes ago, H2o said: This is a prime example of what I am talking about as well. Does anyone here HONESTLY believe that Tyrod is the #12 QB in the NFL? NFL QB, or Fantasy Football QB? As noted earlier by HaplessBillsFan, that site focuses more on FF. I'm guessing TT's style of play lends itself wonderfully to wracking up FF points, ergo #12 QB. Likewise, our draft did more to bolster the defense then offense, leaving a ton of questions about taking any Bill in upcoming FF drafts, so I could see how, looking from a more FF mindset that someone could see it as a bad draft. Me, I still more care about the actual NFL games. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Allen makes NFL throws....not dink and dunk passes that look good in the completion ratings The ironic part being that many offenses operate on dink and dunk passes. We get beat by them every year, and they are a must have skill for an NFL QB. 26 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: To compare college quarterbacks using just numbers without having substantial modifications based on talent around them is almost worthless. If he was close to Deshaun Watson in most good throwing stats I am excited because I think Deshaun is a good QB who played with excellent talent around him. Allen played with little better than a dumpster fire. I have high expectations if they give him a chance to adjust to the NFL. His junior year had a couple NFL quality players, which is impressive in that conference. His TD, INT, and yards were up quite a bit. It might be a better year to judge from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Trogdor said: The ironic part being that many offenses operate on dink and dunk passes. We get beat by them every year, and they are a must have skill for an NFL QB. Im not disputing that at all but NFL qbs need to have the ability to make the longer throws. It is one of the things I am waiting to see......is Allen one of those that cant complete a 5 yard swing past but can accurately throw a 40 yard bomb? To me one of these passes can be coached a lot better then the other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: Im not disputing that at all but NFL qbs need to have the ability to make the longer throws. It is one of the things I am waiting to see......is Allen one of those that cant complete a 5 yard swing past but can accurately throw a 40 yard bomb? To me one of these passes can be coached a lot better then the other. I'm really hoping that we sign a QB coach or someone who has actually developed QBs. Daboll really doesn't have a record of doing that and I think it's essential to his development. A QB that does both well would be awesome for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: No wonder my 2 year old grandson isn't exactly 'keen' on me. ? I am willing to bet this will be the best Bills draft EVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...wasn't it PFF who voted Miller as the 2nd most improved in 2016 which many have torched?......are they reliable or does anybody care?..... I feel like they're reliable at certain positions. I feel their CB and WR stats usually are pretty on point. Edge rushers too. I don't feel their QB or RB grades translate well at all. Either way,they aren't the holy Grail , just an analytical way to rate players. Football is wayyyyyy deeper than analytics, but it's still interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, THE SLAMMER said: I am willing to bet this will be the best Bills draft EVER. I am really excited about it....and not just our 1st round picks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Well I've accepted the Josh Allen pick came with criticism. I was shocked that Beane picked the guy that would come with that baggage. I don't think he made the easy pick but I think in his mind and his reputation on the line he made the right pick. I'm supportive with a lot of understanding that people will question it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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