Warcodered Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 13 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: ...yeah AJ is really in the competition still. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: ...yeah AJ is really in the competition still. McD's mouth after the Bears game says he is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB@Shooter Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Figster said: You do realize MCCarron was coming back from an injury, rusty, and has already proven he can win football games at the NFL level. Allen and Peterman haven't proven squat... You do realize AJ sucked against the Browns, who weren't as good as the Bengals. And that they weren't switching linemen left and right when he was in like they did to Allen. AJ doesn't move in the pocket or have the escapability of Allen. Plus AJ was overwhelmed against the Browns. Not one 1st down. That is horrible. He would have really gotten killed against the Bengals. He thought he was hurt against the Browns, he would be out for the year against the Bengals. Allen is used to dominant defenses playing for Wyoming. And now with proper coaching, he will only grow. 2 minutes ago, Figster said: McD's mouth after the Bears game says he is... Dream on. 14 minutes ago, Figster said: You do realize MCCarron was coming back from an injury, rusty, and has already proven he can win football games at the NFL level. Allen and Peterman haven't proven squat... Rusty, after sitting for 3 days? Lol. Edited September 1, 2018 by BB@Shooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Figster said: McD's mouth after the Bears game says he is... There was no way McDermot was going to say something negative about McCarron no reason to devalue him before he gets traded. Even if he does somehow stay on the team McDermot might still say he's in the competition all the way up to the game against Baltimore where it will be either Allen or Peterman. That way the Ravens have to prepare in case they face very different Quarterbacks. Though odds are it gets leaked out sooner since the players are going to have to know soon if not already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said: You do realize AJ sucked against the Browns, who weren't as good as the Bengals. And that they weren't switching linemen left and right when he was in like they did to Allen. AJ doesn't move in the pocket or have the escapability of Allen. Plus AJ was overwhelmed against the Browns. Not one 1st down. That is horrible. He would have really gotten killed against the Bengals. He thought he was hurt against the Browns, he would be out for the year against the Bengals. Allen is used to dominant defenses playing for Wyoming. And now with proper coaching, he will only grow. If we want to talk college McCarron has 3 National Championships under his belt and faced the best of the best doing it. Allen faced the Browns 2's working behind the Bills starting unit... 20 minutes ago, Warcodered said: There was no way McDermot was going to say something negative about McCarron no reason to devalue him before he gets traded. Even if he does somehow stay on the team McDermot might still say he's in the competition all the way up to the game against Baltimore where it will be either Allen or Peterman. That way the Ravens have to prepare in case they face very different Quarterbacks. Though odds are it gets leaked out sooner since the players are going to have to know soon if not already. Pure speculation by fans that A J McCarron is not being considered for the start IMO. Luckily for me I'm one of the few posters that likes all our guys and want them all to succeed. Edited September 1, 2018 by Figster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Figster said: If we want to talk college McCarron has 3 National Championships under his belt and faced the best of the best doing it. Allen faced the Browns 2's working behind the Bills starting unit... Pure speculation by fans that A J McCarron is not being considered for the start IMO. Talking college McCarron's team won the National Championship twice while he was leading it. He was a redshirt freshman his first year there when they mysteriously won it without him. Which they would then repeat the miracle in their second season without him and the 3rd...no wait they lost that one by 4 speaking of 4 they won it again in their 4th season without him. What I'm trying to say is he played for Alabama for 4 years I'd be more surprised if he didn't win a championship. Allen on the other hand lead a Wyoming Cowboy team that hadn't had a positive win/loss ratio in 4 years. The preceding year he started being 2-10. With Allen they went 8-6 and 8-5. Edited September 1, 2018 by Warcodered 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Figster said: 28 points and the win and you want to break it down in quarters, hahaha How is Allens last outing rated ? lol If I had a nickle for every great game a player had in the 4th quarter of the 4th preseason game...You sure that's what you want to hang your hat on? 33 minutes ago, Figster said: McD's mouth after the Bears game says he is... Right, because football coaches are known to tell the truth to stupid questions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, BullBuchanan said: If I had a nickle for every great game a player had in the 4th quarter of the 4th preseason game...You sure that's what you want to hang your hat on? I'll hang my hat on the regular season wins getting the Bengals to the playoffs or the 16 point come from behind taking the lead in his 1st playoff game that the Bengals D Bungled If its all the same to you BullBuchanan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, Figster said: I'll hang my hat on the regular season wins getting the Bengals to the playoffs or the 16 point come from behind taking the lead in his 1st playoff game that the Bengals D Bungled If its all the same to you BullBuchanan. I'm pretty sure that's exactly how he fleeced the Bills out of 12 million. Taking a page right out of the Matt Flynn playbook. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB@Shooter Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Figster said: I'll hang my hat on the regular season wins getting the Bengals to the playoffs or the 16 point come from behind taking the lead in his 1st playoff game that the Bengals D Bungled If its all the same to you BullBuchanan. Can you please decipher the gibberish you just spouted? I know it is late, but either sleep on it or give up on it. AJ is a nice guy, other than that he better hope his wife doesn't like younger qbs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Figster said: I'll hang my hat on the regular season wins getting the Bengals to the playoffs or the 16 point come from behind taking the lead in his 1st playoff game that the Bengals D Bungled If its all the same to you BullBuchanan. So I'm confused Mcdermot was telling the truth about McCarron being in the competition still but lying about their being a competition because by the logic of what you just said he was always the starter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, BullBuchanan said: I'm pretty sure that's exactly how he fleeced the Bills out of 12 million. Taking a page right out of the Matt Flynn playbook. Again, big fan of all 3 QB's With that being said Josh Allen is the future of the franchise and my biggest concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB@Shooter Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I'm pretty sure that's exactly how he fleeced the Bills out of 12 million. Taking a page right out of the Matt Flynn playbook. Notice AJ as one of the last qbs taken in the free agent market. Could it be because the Bills knew they were drafting a future longtime qb they figured they could hang their hat on? 10 minutes ago, Figster said: Again, big fan of all 3 QB's With that being said Josh Allen is the future of the franchise and my biggest concern. And AJ so superior in camp and exhibition games that he will be the starter. Lmao. You are delirious, drunk, or just funny. Keep up the good work. 10 minutes ago, Figster said: Again, big fan of all 3 QB's With that being said Josh Allen is the future of the franchise and my biggest concern. 10 minutes ago, Figster said: Again, big fan of all 3 QB's With that being said Josh Allen is the future of the franchise and my biggest concern. If you are such a big fan of all three qbs, why you trashing Allens qb rating against the Bungals? Anyone with a clue knows the reason why. And if you areally a true fan, you would know better and not throw garbage like that out there. You sound more like an Alabama fan or a Bungals fan. Or AJ's mother or side dish. Edited September 1, 2018 by BB@Shooter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said: Notice AJ as one of the last qbs taken in the free agent market. Could it be because the Bills knew they were drafting a future longtime qb they figured they could hang their hat on? And AJ so superior in camp and exhibition games that he will be the starter. Lmao. You are delirious, drunk, or just funny. Keep up the good work. Heres something else you might find funny laugh when you see Allen 3rd on the depth chart, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB@Shooter Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Figster said: Heres something else you might find funny laugh when you see Allen 3rd on the depth chart, lol Again, why do you keep saying you are a fan of all 3? Total goofball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Figster said: Heres something else you might find funny laugh when you see Allen 3rd on the depth chart, lol Even if they kept 3 QBs he wouldn't be 3rd. I mean how does it make sense to put the rookie you want to develop 3rd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB@Shooter Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: Even if they kept 3 QBs he wouldn't be 3rd. I mean how does it make sense to put the rookie you want to develop 3rd. Only a Bungals fan can defend that one. Lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said: Again, why do you keep saying you are a fan of all 3? Total goofball. As a coach I wouldn't want to base my decision of who starts on talent alone and we all know Josh Allen wins by a large margin. Easier way to put this so you guys aren't so confused, A J, guinea pig 1, Peterman guinea pig 2, before we risk Allen behind a sub par Oline thats just my opinion fellas Edited September 1, 2018 by Figster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted September 1, 2018 Author Share Posted September 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Figster said: Meanwhile McCarron led the team to 5 scoring drives ( 4 TD ) in one game for a dramatic come from behind win against the Bears which is even greater. Coach McD was asked after the game If McCarron was still being considered for the starting job and the answer was yes. The Great Debate III Respectfully... I disagree. 4th preseason game. I think everyone should realize very little of what McDermott says publicly actually means anything. Come on now... how often do his actions conflict with his words? He said he thought Tyrod Taylor was his Franchise QB. He said immediately after the Saints game Tyrod was the starter. He's saying right now he doesn't know who his starting QB will be. That's just randomly off the top of my head. Everything McDermott says needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt or you need to read it in context. Right now, the context is that saying anything negative about AJ McCarron would only hurt his trade value, so why do it? 4th preseason game--and the 2nd half of the 4th preseason game, nonetheless--has gotta be one of the most meaningless assessment sources in existence for an NFL coach. 2 hours ago, Figster said: For the record nobody is jumping off of the bandwagon. The more football savvy posters that frequent this forum don't want to see the future of the franchise ruined or injured. Trust me when I say we have seen it all. The problem I have is teaching Allen bad mechanics because the BIlls Oline isn't giving him enough time and space for good mechanics. Worse, season ending injury. Allen almost excited his last game start with a concussion. In my opinion McD wanted Allen to get a real taste of what he would be facing during the regular season so started him in game 3. It didn't go well. Josh Allen is not ready in my humble opinion. This is about the most direct insult I've ever seen from you, Fig. So... only those who want Allen to sit are football savvy? I'm just playing... that's the most indirect direct insult I think I'll ever see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted September 1, 2018 Author Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Figster said: McD's mouth after the Bears game says he is... Trust not what he says, only what he does. 4th preseason game where starters typically rest and the fringe guys play and AJ played the entire game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted September 1, 2018 Author Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Figster said: Luckily for me I'm one of the few posters that likes all our guys and want them all to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted September 1, 2018 Author Share Posted September 1, 2018 49 minutes ago, Figster said: Heres something else you might find funny laugh when you see Allen 3rd on the depth chart, lol What are you drinking? Beer? Wine? The hard stuff? This is drunk Fig. It's gotta be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Allen clearly isn’t ready so that leaves McCarron and Peterman. If you follow the true process, both will play against Baltimore and we’ll see who wins the team. The competition doesn’t have to end in preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Please stop this Alabama madness! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Few rookie QB's are ready to start game 1. But many still do. That being said, I think Peterman starts and is given the first 4 games as an audition. If he goes 2-2 or better, he remains starter. If not, Allen starts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Please stop this Alabama madness! Explain the “madness”. Have McCarron and Peterman alternate series. Let the best man win. Edited September 1, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, Sky Diver said: Explain the “madness”. McCarron will likely be the 3rd QB who'll be in street clothes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, Sky Diver said: Explain the “madness”. Treating the first regular season game like a preseason game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, stony said: Treating the first regular season game like a preseason game? I’m not seeing the connection with the preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Explain the “madness”. Have McCarron and Peterman alternate series. Let the best man win. I don't know how to explain this w/o being rude. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, stony said: I don't know how to explain this w/o being rude. Explain. I am used to rudeness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Please stop this Alabama madness! Vote of confidence for Peterman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 16 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Allen clearly isn’t ready so that leaves McCarron and Peterman. If you follow the true process, both will play against Baltimore and we’ll see who wins the team. The competition doesn’t have to end in preseason. Yes. Yes, in any kind of sane football world the competition does in fact have to end with preseason. If that's McDermott's "true process", it's a Bad Process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Explain. I am used to rudeness. This isn’t the Florida gators. Nfl teams don’t do this. You already know this though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yes. Yes, in any kind of sane football world the competition does in fact have to end with preseason. If that's McDermott's "true process", it's a Bad Process. They're not going to alternate QB's in Baltimore unless Peterman (or Allen) gets injured or throws 5 INT's in the first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I'm convinced Allen is mature enough to deal with a poor OL . As long as Daboll gives some receivers short dump off routes to bail him out. Peterman is looking good for the backup job , AJ if there is a injury. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: I’m not seeing the connection with the preseason. I will spell it out explicitly. In preseason, teams without a starter alternate QB to evaluate those QB. In regular season, teams with any kind of sense or pretentions of wanting to win, do not. They change QB during a game only in case of injury or for occasional "tricks". The reason for this practice is that alternating QB is not optimal for the team. It's not optimal for the WR, who need to accustom themselves to the "feel" of a QB passes. It's not optimal for the 10 other guys on offense, who need to accustom themselves to a QB cadence. It's not optimal for ball security on the center to QB snap, and on the QB to RB handoffs. It's not optimal for pre-game practice during the week, where instead of getting all the snaps each QB would only get half. The only reason it's done in preseason, is that in preseason winning is irrelevant. It doesn't count. The priority is to evaluate players. In regular season, winning is the primary goal of each team in each game. If the coaches haven't been able to perform the needed evaluation in the preceding month, either they aren't very good evaluators or all choices are so flawed that it really doesn't matter. Flip a coin and move on. I repeat, any process wherein preseason evaluation strategies extend into regular season is a Bad Process. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I will spell it out explicitly. In preseason, teams without a starter alternate QB to evaluate those QB. In regular season, teams with any kind of sense or pretentions of wanting to win, do not. They change QB during a game only in case of injury or for occasional "tricks". The reason for this practice is that alternating QB is not optimal for the team. It's not optimal for the WR, who need to accustom themselves to the "feel" of a QB passes. It's not optimal for the 10 other guys on offense, who need to accustom themselves to a QB cadence. It's not optimal for ball security on the center to QB snap, and on the QB to RB handoffs. It's not optimal for pre-game practice during the week, where instead of getting all the snaps each QB would only get half. The only reason it's done in preseason, is that in preseason winning is irrelevant. It doesn't count. The priority is to evaluate players. In regular season, winning is the primary goal of each team in each game. If the coaches haven't been able to perform the needed evaluation in the preceding month, either they aren't very good evaluators or all choices are so flawed that it really doesn't matter. Flip a coin and move on. I repeat, any process wherein preseason evaluation strategies extend into regular season is a Bad Process. It's a criminal lack of basic football understanding at an even rudimentary level that you even had to offer an explanation. Edited September 1, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 21 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Explain the “madness”. Have McCarron and Peterman alternate series. Let the best man win. The point of regular season games is for the team to win, not to hold a QB picking contest to be sure they have the very best guy. Pick one and go. 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It's a criminal lack of basic football understanding that you even had to offer an explanation. Or something. But I give the benefit of the doubt. 5 minutes ago, ALF said: I'm convinced Allen is mature enough to deal with a poor OL . As long as Daboll gives some receivers short dump off routes to bail him out. I'm not. Also, earlier in preseason, Daboll was having the TE and RB "chip" then release which would be good strategy given our OL - but slows the development of the check down route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Imagine yourself a defensive coordinator game planning to the Bills. Peterman is so much more limited than Allen, game planning is dramatically easier. Allen gives the team a meaningful edge as the starter even before the first snap. If the team wants to "test" Allen by going full bore pass rush on every play, then McCoy runs for 200 yards. This is an easy decision. Start Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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