Bills All-Drought Team

[MJS]

Edited to add Head Coach, OC, DC, and number of drought years played / coached.

[JÂy RÛßeÒ]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

 

No Mario Williams? You'd have McKelvin over Terrance McGee?

To me, Kelsay/Ryan Denney/Schobel were the personification of the drought.  Was Mario more talented than Kelsay?  Yeah.  But Kelsay gave us everything he had for many years while Mario gave up after 2.

 

McKelvin/McGee was a toss-up.  I guess the way McGee was forced out due to injury kind of gave McKelvin the nod to me.

 

Mike Williams was a walking drought.

 

I guess the list is a mix of players who were very good during a bad era, and players who should have been better but weren't and therefore contributed to the drought.

Edited May 17, 2018 by JÂy RÛßeÒ

[MJS]

1 minute ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said:

To me, Kelsay/Ryan Denney/Schobel were the personification of the drought.  Was Mario more talented than Kelsay?  Yeah.  But Kelsay gave us everything he had for many years while Mario gave up after 2.

 

McKelvin/McGee was a toss-up.  I guess the way McGee was forced out due to injury kind of gave McKelvin the nod to me.

 

McGee was also a really good returner. 5 return TD's.

[JÂy RÛßeÒ]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

 

McGee was also a really good returner. 5 return TD's.

Totally agree.  Leodis had 4.

[Bray Wyatt]

Not sure if its been said but, Brad Butler for RT, we signed him to an extension and then he retired.

[MJS]

24 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

Not sure if its been said but, Brad Butler for RT, we signed him to an extension and then he retired.

 

I don't remember him. Looks like he played Guard for almost his entire time here. Just two games at RT. That's what the Google tells me, at least.

[Bray Wyatt]

21 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

I don't remember him. Looks like he played Guard for almost his entire time here. Just two games at RT. That's what the Google tells me, at least.

 

really? I could have sworn he was a RT.... must be getting old already lol

 

Edit: Ok, it looks like they moved him from Guard to tackle, but then he tore his acl the second game of that season, also was a tackle at UVA so im not TOO crazy

Edited May 17, 2018 by Bray Wyatt

[Buffalo03]

Why don't players like Moulds count? He was here pre drought but was also here for a good portion of it and was also our best receiver in that time

[MJS]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Why don't players like Moulds count? He was here pre drought but was also here for a good portion of it and was also our best receiver in that time

 

Those are my thoughts exactly. Some people prefer a list without any playoff experience, though. While I find that interesting as well, that wasn't the point of my list. My list is supposed to include guys who had the majority of their careers during the drought years.

 

I think any filter that would remove Kyle Williams or Eric Wood from consideration would be strange.

[Bing Bong]

Head Coach: McDermott (much better than Marrone anyway, better with less. And it's not like Marrone was long tenured. I'd put Chan up here #2)

Offensive Coordinator: Chan Gailey Nice

Defensive Coordinator: Jim Schwartz Easy pick

QB: Tyrod Taylor again easy choice

RB: Lesean McCoy yep

WR1: Eric Moulds Fave reciever ever.

WR2: Sammy Watkins, I hated watching Lee Evans he was so overrated.

WR3: Stevie Johnson Stevie's awesome

TE: Charles Clay oof but true

LT: Jason Peters obs

LG: Richie Incognito obs

C: Eric Wood obs

RG: Andy Levitre (he played there starting out right? I'd qualify him)

RT: Demetrious Bell (he played there starting out right? I'd qualify him)

DE: Mario Williams yep

DE: Aaron Schobel for sure

DT: Kyle Williams easy

DT: Pat Williams easy WILLIAMS WALL came too late

LOLB: Manny Lawson wow surprised he's the best we have. I can't fact check this though

MLB: London Fletcher sure

ROLB: Takeo Spikes yep

CB1: Antoine Winfield

CB2: Nate Clements

CB3: Stephon Gilmore: man is a wuss. Man had talent

FS: Poyer See Seen enough of these guys to know they are hands down better than Byrd and Whitner

SS: Micah Hyde Seen enough of these guys to know they are hands down better than Byrd and Whitner

K: Hauschka: we wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs without Hauschmoney. Lindell played in an era where kickers were everywhere. Hauschka is a top 5 kicker in a weak kicker group

P: Brian Moormon yeeeah

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Head Coach: McDermott (much better than Marrone anyway, better with less. And it's not like Marrone was long tenured. I'd put Chan up here #2)

Offensive Coordinator: Chan Gailey Nice

Defensive Coordinator: Jim Schwartz Easy pick

QB: Tyrod Taylor again easy choice

RB: Lesean McCoy yep

WR1: Eric Moulds Fave reciever ever.

WR2: Sammy Watkins, I hated watching Lee Evans he was so overrated.

WR3: Stevie Johnson Stevie's awesome

TE: Charles Clay oof but true

LT: Jason Peters obs

LG: Richie Incognito obs

C: Eric Wood obs

RG: Andy Levitre (he played there starting out right? I'd qualify him)

RT: Demetrious Bell (he played there starting out right? I'd qualify him)

DE: Mario Williams yep

DE: Aaron Schobel for sure

DT: Kyle Williams easy

DT: Pat Williams easy WILLIAMS WALL came too late

LOLB: Manny Lawson wow surprised he's the best we have. I can't fact check this though

MLB: London Fletcher sure

ROLB: Takeo Spikes yep

CB1: Antoine Winfield

CB2: Nate Clements

CB3: Stephon Gilmore: man is a wuss. Man had talent

FS: Poyer See Seen enough of these guys to know they are hands down better than Byrd and Whitner

SS: Micah Hyde Seen enough of these guys to know they are hands down better than Byrd and Whitner

K: Hauschka: we wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs without Hauschmoney. Lindell played in an era where kickers were everywhere. Hauschka is a top 5 kicker in a weak kicker group

P: Brian Moormon yeeeah

 

McDermott is not a drought coach. Never missed the playoffs. Same with Hauschka, Hyde, and Poyer. They all made the playoffs their first year.

Edited May 18, 2018 by MJS

[Bing Bong]

6 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

McDermott is not a drought coach. Never missed the playoffs. Same with Hauschka, Hyde, and Poyer. They all made the playoffs their first year.

lol my b I've never known anything but the drought,it's a hard concept to grasp

[MJS]

1 hour ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

lol my b I've never known anything but the drought,it's a hard concept to grasp

 

I know what you mean. The drought is basically all I know as well.

[The Rev.Mattb74 ESQ.]

This is fun,I will bite

QB-Bledsoe i believe he had the single season passing yard record

RB Freddy

FB Sam Gash

LT Jonas Jennings

LG Andy Levitrie

C Eric Wood

RG Derrick Dockery

RT Jason Peters (he started on the right, then moved to the left after Jennings left)

WR Lee Evans, Stevie Johnson, Peerless Price

TE Scott Chandler (honorable mention Kevin Everett)

DE Schobel and Mario

DT Kyle Williams and Sam Adams

OLB Takeo Spikes and Angelo Crowell honorable mention to Shawn Merriman and the patron saint of Bills Mafia Nick Barnett)

MLB London Fletcher

CB Jabari Greer, Terrance McGee Nate Clements

SS Lawyer Milloy

FS Jarious Byrd

P Morman

K 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 18, 2018 by The Rev.Mattb74 ESQ.

[MJS]

32 minutes ago, The Rev.Mattb74 ESQ. said:

FB Sam Gash

 

I forgot fullback!!

[mileena]

10 hours ago, MJS said:

I started thinking about this last night. Who are the best Bills coaches and players at each position during the drought years? For this I want players who played most of their time as a Bill during drought years. FYI, I'm a pretty young guy. Most of my Bills memories are from the drought.

 

Head Coach: Doug Marrone
(Drought Years - 2)

He had a .469 win percentage, second only to Rex Ryan in the drought years. But Rex would have had the same win percentage if he had not been fired before the last game.

 

Offensive Coordinator: Chan Gailey
(Drought Years - 3)

I realize he was also the head coach, but he called a good offense, putting Fitz and company into a position to succeed. It was one of the only time during the drought when we had a fun offense to watch.

 

Defensive Coordinator: Jim Schwartz
(Drought Years - 1) 

His time in Buffalo was short, but he picked up the defense and made it something special. Rex Ryan brought an end to that. The defense under Schwartz led the league in sacks and was a top 5 unit overall.

 

QB: Tyrod Taylor

(Drought Years - 2)

Case can be made for Drew Bledsoe, but Tyrod had a far better QB Rating, far fewer INT's, and less sacks. Bledsoe did pass for more TD's, however.

 

RB: Lesean McCoy

(Drought Years - 2)

Easy one. He is an elite back. The other guy you could make a case for is Fred Jackson, or even Travis Henry.

 

WR1: Eric Moulds

(Drought Years - 6)

Man did I love watching Moulds play. He was awesome. I know he played in some non-drought years, but he played 5 or 6 seasons during the drought.

 

WR2: Lee Evans

(Drought Years - 7)

Evans posted Top 5 numbers following Eric Moulds as the number 1 in Buffalo. Would have been interesting to see what he could do with a real QB. I remember him catching those 80+ yard bombs.

 

WR3: Stevie Johnson

(Drought Years - 6)

Johnson had four 50+ catch seasons and is the only Bills WR to have consecutive 1,000 yard seasons.

 

TE: Charles Clay

(Drought Years - 2)

This position is kind of bleak. You could also make the case for Scott Chandler.

 

[I'm a little fuzzy on the offensive line]

 

LT: Jason Peters

(Drought Years - 5)

Many are STILL angry that we lost Peters. He is considered by some to be a future hall of famer, but most of his career is with the Eagles. Still, he was good in Buffalo as well.

 

LG: Richie Incognito

(Drought Years - 2 (3 if you count 2009))

Came back to Buffalo and went to multiple pro-bowls. Case could be made for Andy Levitre. I'm leaving Ruben Brown off because he played many years pre-drought.

 

C: Eric Wood

(Drought Years - 8 )

What a mainstay during the drought years. He was never elite, but he was a solid starter who went to a pro bowl.

 

RG: Kraig Urbik

(Drought Years - 6)

He started for a few years and was decent. This is another bleak spot.

 

RT: Langston Walker?

(Drought Years - 2)

This may be the worst position. Other possibilities are Erik Pears or Mike Williams? Man, we've had a bad right side of the Oline for a long time.

 

DE: Mario Williams

(Drought Years - 4)

It didn't end well, but Mario Williams was a dominant player for his first few years in Buffalo. He was part of a defensive line that many thought was one of the best in the league (even if he did take plays off occasionally).

 

DE: Aaron Schobel

(Drought Years - 9)

Schobel played nine seasons, wracking up 78 sacks, second only to Bruce Smith in franchise history. Very solid and underrated player.

 

DT: Kyle Williams

(Drought Years - 11)

Kyle WIlliams has been a mainstay interior lineman for years, and a great leader. He is a sure-fire wall of famer. 5 time pro bowler and 2nd team all pro in 2010.

 

DT: Pat Williams

(Drought Years - 5)

Pat Williams was good, right? Case could be made for Dareus or Sam Adams as well.

 

LOLB: Manny Lawson

(Drought Years - 3)

Manny Lawson was a decent starter. I had trouble coming up with good outside linebackers. Kawika Mitchell?

 

MLB: London Fletcher

(Drought Years - 5)

Easy pick here. Fletcher was a great starter. He was an 8-time pro bowl alternate. Case could also be made for Paul Posluszny.

 

ROLB: Takeo Spikes

(Drought Years - 4)

Solid player. He made the pro bowl with the Bills.

 

CB1: Antoine Winfield

(Drought Years - 4)

Solid player.

 

CB2: Nate Clements

(Drought Years - 6)

Clements had 23 interceptions and 87 passed defended with the Bills. Him and Winfield were a great tandem.

 

CB3: Terrence McGee

(Drought Years - 10)

Had to throw on a third corner to include McGee. Despite the myriad of injuries he was a solid corner in the drought years. Case could be made for Stephon Gilmore.

 

FS: Jairus Byrd

(Drought Years - 5)

It didn't end well, but Jairus Byrd was a great player for the Bills. He had 22 interceptions with the Bills, 9 of them as a rookie!

 

SS: Donte Whitner

(Drought Years - 5)

This definitely didn't end well, but Whitner was a solid player in Buffalo. George WIlson was also a solid player at the position.

 

K: Rian Lindell

(Drought Years - 10)

Easy. He left Buffalo as the most accurate field goal kicker in team history, second in franchise history in scoring and broke team records by connecting on 18 straight field goals and 225 consecutive extra-point attempts.

 

P: Brian Moormon

(Drought Years - 12)

Legendary. 2× Pro Bowl, 2× First-team All-Pro, 2× Longest Punt in NFL, 1× NFL Yards per Punt Leader, NFL 2000s All-Decade Team, Buffalo Bills 50th Anniversary Team. There were years where he was our best player on the team easily, and that's good because we punted a lot.

 

 

Dumb post.

 

This topic has alreast been posted numerous times.

This post is a year too late.

Players who played in the playoffs should not be included, like Moulds.

[MJS]

2 minutes ago, mileena said:

 

Dumb post.

 

This topic has alreast been posted numerous times.

This post is a year too late.

Players who played in the playoffs should not be included, like Moulds.

 

Then go sh** somewhere else. Not a single person cares what you think.

[stuvian]

Jabari Greer

[mannc]

Sam Cowart.  Think he might have played on the ‘99 team, though.  Beast.

[frostbitmic]

IMO, an all drought team should be made up of players, coaches and front office personnel who were the reasons for such drought.

 

Trent Edwards - running out of bounds on 4th and long instead of throwing the ball etc ....

[Talley56]

12 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Holy ****. Bledsoe???? The guy was brain dead. Outside of 8 good games to start his career in Buffalo he was mostly awful. 

 

Go watch some tape of Bledsoe's 2003 season. He should've retired after that one. Good god he sucked.

 

And Fitz? The turnover machine? The guy who'd throw an INT at the worst possible time?

 

Man. What are some of you guys watching?

You mean Bledsoe who actually got a team to a Super Bowl?  How was Tyrod any better?

 

Fitz is a tougher sell but at least he tried making throws down the field.  Too many times they were INTs yes but other times they were spot on and even winning throws but his WRs (SJ) let him down.

[MJS]

5 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

IMO, an all drought team should be made up of players, coaches and front office personnel who were the reasons for such drought.

 

Trent Edwards - running out of bounds on 4th and long instead of throwing the ball etc ....

 

That's definitely a list I want to see, but I don't want to make it. Too depressing. Is there a Negative Nancy we can assign this to?

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 hour ago, Talley56 said:

You mean Bledsoe who actually got a team to a Super Bowl?  How was Tyrod any better?

 

Fitz is a tougher sell but at least he tried making throws down the field.  Too many times they were INTs yes but other times they were spot on and even winning throws but his WRs (SJ) let him down.

You mean other than W/L, Completion %, TD%, YPA, Passer Rating, INT%, NY/A, ANY/A, and Total YPG?

 

Edited May 18, 2018 by BuffaloHokie13

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

You mean other than W/L, Completion %, TD%, YPA, Passer Rating, INT%, YPA, ANY/A, and Total YPG?

 

 

Taylor also added a lot to the run game, which obviously Bledsoe didn't.

 

Taylor certainly isn't good enough to be a long-term starter, but he was a good short-term answer and did better than any other drought QB.

[mileena]

On 5/17/2018 at 8:12 PM, MJS said:

 

Then go sh** somewhere else. Not a single person cares what you think.

 

Stop making dumb threads.

[Kirby Jackson]

On 5/17/2018 at 11:27 PM, ScottLaw said:

Holy ****. Bledsoe???? The guy was brain dead. Outside of 8 good games to start his career in Buffalo he was mostly awful. 

 

Go watch some tape of Bledsoe's 2003 season. He should've retired after that one. Good god he sucked.

 

And Fitz? The turnover machine? The guy who'd throw an INT at the worst possible time?

 

Man. What are some of you guys watching?

It is amazing how those 8 games are all that anyone remembers about Bledsoe. I’ve posted in here numerous times but after those 8 games he was no better than Losman or EJ. He was horrendous. I get the Fitz love somewhat and he should be #2 (or #1 if Tyrod is ineligible). 

On 5/18/2018 at 7:16 AM, mannc said:

Sam Cowart.  Think he might have played on the ‘99 team, though.  Beast.

Cowart had a chance to be one of the best players the Bills ever had. That injury was devastating and he never recovered.

23 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

You mean other than W/L, Completion %, TD%, YPA, Passer Rating, INT%, NY/A, ANY/A, and Total YPG?

 

That doesn’t even factor in Bledsoe’s fumbles. It isn’t even close. It blows my mind how fondly people remember him. If you pull those 1st 8 games out it is terrifying.

[Punching Bag]

On 5/17/2018 at 1:31 PM, MJS said:

 

Lots of angry guys leaving Buffalo. Some of it was caused by bad coaches and some of it from bad management.

And some of it by guys unwilling to work hard but of course most of blame has to be on team and front office - it is the Bills fan way!

[MJS]

4 hours ago, Limeaid said:

And some of it by guys unwilling to work hard but of course most of blame has to be on team and front office - it is the Bills fan way!

 

Players are players. The team brings them in as well. If they don't work hard that is still a failing of the coaches and management, for bringing in guys like that and not being able to motivate them or not realizing they were that way.

[BigDingus]

I don't know why people always forget this, but we had one of the best Guards in the league for years in Reuben Brown.

Since we've included people like Eric Moulds who played on the same team as him for quite a while, figured Brown should get a nod too.

The guy started in all 181 games he played in, was a 9-time Pro Bowl selection, and 4 time All-Pro. The guy should be above any linemen we have, regardless of position, because he was that good.

 

Also, I'd change:

 

QB #1: Drew Bledose (only if we're talking about in their prime, as he could actually make use of a roster this talented)

 

RB#2 : Marshawn Lynch (need at least 2 RB's on the team)

 

FB: Larry Centers (He might not have played for us long, but prime Larry Centers was one of the top 20 FB's of all time. Hell, he was still good for us in his 2 years.)

 

LG, RG, or any O-line whatsoever: Reuben Brown (Reasons stated above)

 

WR #3: Terrell Owens (Again, only if we're talking about in their prime..but then he'd be WR #1 for sure, but drop Stevie for him & keep the other 2)

DT#2: Marcel Dareus (Just a more athletic, and more talented DT than Pat Williams, although Pat was great too)

 

KR #1: Terrence McGee (I know you have him as a CB, but people forget how good he was in the return game as well)

 

PR #1: Roscoe Parrish (The little dude could run, nuff' said)

Edited May 20, 2018 by BigDingus

[MJS]

1 hour ago, BigDingus said:

I don't know why people always forget this, but we had one of the best Guards in the league for years in Reuben Brown.

Since we've included people like Eric Moulds who played on the same team as him for quite a while, figured Brown should get a nod too.

The guy started in all 181 games he played in, was a 9-time Pro Bowl selection, and 4 time All-Pro. The guy should be above any linemen we have, regardless of position, because he was that good.

 

Also, I'd change:

 

QB #1: Drew Bledose (only if we're talking about in their prime, as he could actually make use of a roster this talented)

 

RB#2 : Marshawn Lynch (need at least 2 RB's on the team)

 

FB: Larry Centers (He might not have played for us long, but prime Larry Centers was one of the top 20 FB's of all time. Hell, he was still good for us in his 2 years.)

 

LG, RG, or any O-line whatsoever: Reuben Brown (Reasons stated above)

 

WR #3: Terrell Owens (Again, only if we're talking about in their prime..but then he'd be WR #1 for sure, but drop Stevie for him & keep the other 2)

DT#2: Marcel Dareus (Just a more athletic, and more talented DT than Pat Williams, although Pat was great too)

 

KR #1: Terrence McGee (I know you have him as a CB, but people forget how good he was in the return game as well)

 

PR #1: Roscoe Parrish (The little dude could run, nuff' said)

 

I didn't include Ruben Brown because he played most of his time in Buffalo in non-drought years. Eric Moulds played more years during the drought than before the drought.

 

I didn't include kick or punt return, but you are spot on with those two.

Edited May 20, 2018 by MJS

[Kmart128]

Ughhh Kraig Urbik? Hell nah.... Especially not over a player like Brad Butler.

 

And instead of Manny Lawson I'd put Angelo Crowell

 

Kyle Orton is better than Tyrod IMO

Edited May 20, 2018 by Kmart128

[Mikie2times]

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