muppy Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 6:32 AM, PrimeTime101 said: I don't think your looking at the full picture.. and there are just as many positive judgements on this draft as negative so look at all the draft grades not just the few negative, few positives or in between. There is plenty of positive grades. double edged sword isn't it.. Lets just see how he comes out at end and there you go. lol thanks for proving my original post true! Go ahead and slam me for saying witch instead of which or small me for saying no instead of know.. I think you need to get over yourself .. and these replies.. these posts.. that you just said.. is EXACTLY what I am saying. Your living in the past and its your choice.. don't make it my choice.. lol sotier hasn't a clue as to just how textbook a case he made...for YOU ...lol WOW smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 7:30 AM, Billsflyer12 said: I am equaled annoyed that if you at all question your teams decisions, you are not a real fan. Fandom is not blind loyality and shouldn’t be. I am not huge fan of Beane or McD, and I hate the Allen pick. I vented for a couple of days and explained why I hated it so much. Yet, I am moving on. I don’t have the energy or desire to keep fighting something I can’t change. The Bills have been my team for 45 years. It never has benn, or will never a be unconditional. I will not like hires, picks and game plans, and that is ok. I will voice my concerns when I feel they are really a true concern. My excitement for the future took a big hit Thursday, but at end of day I will still be watching Sundays from here in Colorado. Just curious, but why don’t you like McD or Beane? I mean, they are responsible for breaking that damn playoff curse. For the love of god, they are miracle workers. Embrace them taking the team to the playoffs finally after nearly 2 decades!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 55 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: Does it make us a kool-aid drinker if I generally think Allen is much better than people give him credit for and have been saying this for months? I like the players that they drafted. I've questioned some moves but they have a vision and at the end of the day, they are the ones that have the blueprints, not us. Nobody jumped for joy when Poyer was signed. So many said he was an overpaid backup. The regime has shown the ability to find guys that fit what they want to do. Let's hope that it continues with this draft and moving forward. No it absolutely doesn't. But equally the people who didn't like him before the draft are not negative haters. I don't see why Allen becoming a Bill should be enough to change anyone's mind on what they thought before so long as they had based that opinion on something solid in the first place. The only way minds should be changed is performance on the field. That is all that counts. Here is hoping Josh can change the minds of the people like me who find him concerning in many ways as a prospect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 25 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: I pray we have. Just nothing I've seen in his career or game tapes shows that we have. Maybe they can fix it -fix his footwork, fix his processing speed, fix why his QB rating dips by 50% when he's blitzed, and life will be dandy. I sure hope so. So to your point, I don't know if we have or not. I just think the other choice we had would have been better suited and had such a resume. I've seen a lot of QB projects come and go at One Bills Drive and to me this is another one. I really hope it works. ...ditto bro...why think otherwise...where does rehashing the past failures get us today, especially with a new top to bottom regime?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Murph andTasker had a poll on today that wanted to know when we should start Allen at QB. It ranged from start the first game to middle of the season to not this year. Some idiots said NEVER. They were 8% of the callers. That is what i talking about in a previous post on this subject. There are "fans" who want the Bills to fail. They revel over a players short comings or supposed failures. Psychologically . i presume you could have a ball with suppositions of their psychosis. I am not a learned Psychologist by any stretch so , i think they are people who sadly life has passed over and they want everybody to feel their pain. This is is my ammeter opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 4:23 AM, Niagara Dude said: Losers of draft by NFL.COM Buffalo Bills: The Bills traded out of their No. 10 overall pick a year ago, passing on the chance to draft Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson in favor of amassing draft capital. This season, the Bills usedsignificant draft capital to trade up for quarterback Josh Allen (moving from 12th overall to seventh). The kids would call that hustling backward, especially when Allen has an uphill climb just to surpass previous Bills quarterback Tyrod Taylor's level of production. Bills fans will point to this being the first draft for GM Brandon Beane, who was hired last May, but that only emphasizes how tricky it is to come up with a cohesive roster when the GM and coach are always in flux. Allen could prove his skeptics wrong, and his athleticism is unquestionable, but Josh Rosen has clearly displayed a more obvious NFL skill set. Allen is reminiscent of a souped-up version of another Bills first-round quarterback: J.P. Losman, a player with accuracy issues who was a star in the pre-draft season because of his measurables. Losman was taken 22nd overall in the 2004 NFL Draft and proceeded to compile a 10-23 record in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) It’s funny, most of the negativity seems to start in every thread from a poster passive aggressively bringing up how negative everyone’s being about the pick. Instigating the exact thing they’re so upset about. Most fans that were bummed initially (myself included) are trying to bring themselves around to it. And are waiting for training camp hoping we missed something. Why obsess over the minority? Edited May 2, 2018 by Bobby Hooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 6 hours ago, Fadingpain said: You're annoyed by negativity so you start a negative thread attacking 50% of the fan base. Cool. Most people here get where my frustration is coming from and it wasn't a negative threat it was posting my frustrations about posters here in forums. 22 Likes and 17 Thank you. If you don't get it that's not my problem and if you don't like it then don't read it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 For some people, all they have is their crusade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, KD in CA said: For some people, all they have is their crusade. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theRalph Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 5 hours ago, Nihilarian said: Most of the board wanted the Bills to trade up to the #2 spot to draft Rosen. That would have been disastrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Robotulism Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Snowflake thread. Allen is terrible- I don't have to root for him because someone made a mistake and he is taking a roster spot someone else could have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 7:11 AM, PrimeTime101 said: So I get it. This was a tough draft for fans. 50% like Allen and the other 50% liked Rosen and you can twist those numbers to your liking.. I don't care that's not the point. What exactly happened to getting behind your team? Allen is a Buffalo Bill now, Like it or not.. So why not support the decision and hope for the best? What is with these people day after day with repeat threads of HATE towards the Bills organization as a whole or the GM? What is with everyone with there crystal balls KNOWING he will be an ALL PRO or a BUST? What is with comparing Allen with all our past failed QB's as if they were linked? As if this is the same GM "the same old Bills" making the "same old bad mistakes".. Come on here and complain about the pick after a year or two when we see how good or bad Allen actual is? can we actually just do that? I have been a Bills fan since my first game I want to back in 1979 and have stayed with them good or bad. I Laughed, gotten mad and even cried over the first SB loss. to many people on these boards have forgotten what being a sports fan really means. You back your team up good or bad, you back up the decisions GM and coaches makes until they screw it up. You shout! You Holler! You Swear! You Cry! You Laugh! You Clap! You complain about everything big or small but at the end you support the team! Go out there and support our team.. Support the Allen pick at least until you 100% Know he is bad.. then come on these boards and be negative. I support the Buffalo Bills Thank you for the read and I will accept what ever opinion you Have because its your right. Just don't forget the execution comes after the judgement What your asking is for everyone to be dumbfounded and be ok with something that they know is wrong. I think your reading into this completely wrong. I don't think people hate the Bills... I think people dislike the pick... everyone knows Allen is part of the Bills...you can't be upset cause everyone isn't jumping all in on this Kid & he hasn't proved we should. He has so many question marks... people aren't stupid...they're not going to ignore Allen issues just because our front office chooses to be naive 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 5 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Wait ..... I’m getting confused. Are we complaining about the people complaining of the Bills players or just the Bills players and FO? ShadyBills, you just made my head hurt! Don't ask me, I'm all confusled myself. 2 minutes ago, Scorp83 said: What your asking is for everyone to be dumbfounded and be ok with something that they know is wrong. I think your reading into this completely wrong. I don't think people hate the Bills... I think people dislike the pick... everyone knows Allen is part of the Bills...you can't be upset cause everyone isn't jumping all in on this Kid & he hasn't proved we should. He has so many question marks... people aren't stupid...they're not going to ignore Allen issues just because our front office chooses to be naive To be fair, none of us - no one really - can know that the Allen pick is wrong. But it does seem to have aspects in common with other QB picks that have not gone well. It's great for a QB to have athleticism, leadership, sterling personal qualities, intelligence, work ethic - but fundamentally, if he can't read Ds quickly, make correct decisions, and throw the football accurately the rest is wasted. And there do seem to be some gaps there with Allen, that were not there with another choice. I'd feel a lot better about the pick if our GM and coach were talking more about the latter aspects of Allen's skillset and less about the former. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 We were so close at turning the franchise around, Aaron Rodgers close. Ben Rothlisburger close. Russell Wilson close. Damn!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Just imagine how much of a fit this board would have pitched if it was around in 1983....."they drafted the guy with wrecked shoulder....he won't last 3 years! Marino was still on the board!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 minute ago, KD in CA said: Just imagine how much of a fit this board would have pitched if it was around in 1983....."they drafted the guy with wrecked shoulder....he won't last 3 years! Marino was still on the board!!!" Actually, who's to say how Marino would have performed with the team the Bills had. He might have been pretty good, I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 The Nattering Naybobs of Negativity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 37 minutes ago, Scorp83 said: What your asking is for everyone to be dumbfounded and be ok with something that they know is wrong. I think your reading into this completely wrong. I don't think people hate the Bills... I think people dislike the pick... everyone knows Allen is part of the Bills...you can't be upset cause everyone isn't jumping all in on this Kid & he hasn't proved we should. He has so many question marks... people aren't stupid...they're not going to ignore Allen issues just because our front office chooses to be naive Scorp tell me. How do you know this was a bad pick. You cant see into the future. Just as many people that liked the pick hated it. But by all means, reach to your crystal ball and tell me what my lottery pick is going to be next week because getting QB's in the draft is a darn near crap shoot. Many put Allen at second best QB in draft. Does it mean he will pan out? nope. But it sure as heck doesn't mean that he is going to be garbage either. this was a 50/50 pick like I said. many loved it many hated it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) I guess it's safe to start talking good about Peterman again right guys? I think he will play ok when AJ inevitablly goes down next season. Edited May 2, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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