Buffalo716 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) I argued that Thurman is overlooked in the world of modern running backs and is a top 10 RB in NFL history... sure he didn’t dazzle like Barry or churn out 5 yard runs at a whack like Emmitt... but he was the most complete back of his time... his running, receiving, blocking and toughness made him the most rounded back of his Era his power / speed ratio was the best in the NFL and he was a violent runner led the NFL in yards from scrimmage an NFL record 4 consecutive seasons... an NFL MVP... a first ballot HoF 9th ALL TIME in yards from scrimmage As a student of the game I don’t find it foolish to say Thurman is a top 10 modern back Edited April 14, 2018 by Buffalo716 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 I fully agree. Emmitt is overrated IMO playing as long as he did behind great OLines. He was certainly good, but I’d rather have Thurman. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I argued that Thurman is overlooked in the world of modern running backs and is a top 10 RB in NFL history... sure he didn’t dazzle like Barry or churn out 5 yard runs at a whack like Emmitt... but he was the most complete back of his time... his running, receiving, blocking and toughness made him the most rounded back of his Era his power / speed ratio was the best in the NFL and he was a violent runner led the NFL in yards from scrimmage an NFL record 4 consecutive seasons... an NFL MVP... a first ballot HoF As a student of the game I don’t find it foolish to say Thurman is a top 10 modern back Define modern as in what era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Define modern as in what era. Since disco? No...that’s probably not right. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Top 10 all time? I’ll say no... Top 20-25? Sure juice, brown, Campbell, Walter, sayers, Dickerson, sanders, LT, Faulk and Peterson off hand... I’m sure I forget 2-3 that could be in the 10 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Define modern as in what era. I would say modern Era is around Jim Brown , OJ. You can include Jim or not 1960-70 somewhere in there Edited April 14, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: I would say modern Era is around Jim Brown , OJ. You can include Jim or not 1960-70 somewhere in there He's not top ten for me. Too many greats ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Augie said: I fully agree. Emmitt is overrated IMO playing as long as he did behind great OLines. He was certainly good, but I’d rather have Thurman. Those were some of my points... emmitt had over 1700 more carries than Thurman... extrapolate Thurman’s 4.2 over 1700 carries and he retires around 18000 and the record 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLDFRONT Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 The genius speaks again (while chewing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: He's not top ten for me. Too many greats ahead of him. I certainly can’t change your mind... lots of legends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 It’s not fair or maybe even correct, but I knock Faulk down because he’s an idiot. And AP hardly ever caught a ball and was not the pass protection guy Thurman was. Yes, I’m biased. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Just now, Buffalo716 said: I certainly can’t change your mind... lots of legends It's a crowded group. Just like WR is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It's a crowded group. Just like WR is. I’d support Thurman more in the push up than Andre. Hey, just my opinion. Thurman should have been Super Bowl MVP in a friggin loss. Give him the ball more and we actually WIN! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: It's a crowded group. Just like WR is. Yup. My point was how well rounded Thurman was... You can make the case he was the Engine that kept the K gun running... he did everything for the Bills i don’t think he’s the best but being as well rounded and versatile as he is pushes him up the list imo give him 4000 Carries like Emmitt and he has the rushing title 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Just now, Augie said: I’d support Thurman more in the push up than Andre. Hey, just my opinion. Thurman should have been Super Bowl MVP in a friggin loss. Give him the ball more and we actually WIN! I agree wholeheartedly, but please don't get me started. 15 FN carries for the entire game was a travesty! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Augie said: It’s not fair or maybe even correct, but I knock Faulk down because he’s an idiot. And AP hardly ever caught a ball and was not the pass protection guy Thurman was. Yes, I’m biased. No those are legitimate arguments... peterson is a great runner but he isn’t lightyears ahead of Thurman. add in Thurmans receiving and blocking and he is wayyy more a complete back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Yup. My point was how well rounded Thurman was... You can make the case he was the Engine that kept the K gun running... he did everything for the Bills i don’t think he’s the best but being as well rounded and versatile as he is pushes him up the list imo give him 4000 Carries like Emmitt and he has the rushing title The difference between these all time great RBs is razor thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: No those are legitimate arguments... peterson is a great runner but he isn’t lightyears ahead of Thurman. add in Thurmans receiving and blocking and he is wayyy more a complete back There’s a reason Barry didn't Start sooner in college. A really, really GOOD reason to keep a HOF RB on the bench. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 I wonder how we judge running backs when we get into the conversation about receiving and blocking along with running. Obviously, those are important, but I would bet that a lot of that is going to be scheme related. Very hard to judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: The difference between these all time great RBs is razor thin. Yes thank you that was another point of mine... my friend is a hockey player at heart not football i tried saying that just because I’m saying Thurman was better than Emmitt in no way am I knocking Emmitt... all these first ballad RBs are legends and are sooo close respectively. You can’t say with a straight face that Sweetness was better than Barry they are both legends and it’s more a preference of style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Just now, Augie said: There’s a reason Barry didn't Start sooner in college. A really, really GOOD reason to keep a HOF RB on the bench. Barry was ridiculous at Oklahoma State once he took over in 1988. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Also, Career length always makes judgement of players hard. Did Smith benefit unfairly by playing so long (which in of itself is a great boost in his favor) What about Sayers? Give him two good knees and is he the best to ever touch a pigskin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Yes thank you that was another point of mine... my friend is a hockey player at heart not football i tried saying that just because I’m saying Thurman was better than Emmitt in no way am I knocking Emmitt... all these first ballad RBs are legends and are sooo close respectively. You can’t say with a straight face that Sweetness was better than Barry they are both legends and it’s more a preference of style Sweetness was a better all around player than Sanders. Neither had much of a supporting cast for most of their respective careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 What’s your 10 and how High is TT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Yup. My point was how well rounded Thurman was... You can make the case he was the Engine that kept the K gun running... he did everything for the Bills i don’t think he’s the best but being as well rounded and versatile as he is pushes him up the list imo give him 4000 Carries like Emmitt and he has the rushing title I agree, Thurman was a great all around back. He was also a good blocker; I remember him picking up many blitzers that otherwise would have got to Jim Kelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Sweetness was a better all around player than Sanders. Neither had much of a supporting cast for most of their respective careers. That’s why I’m using thurmans all around game as my argument he was a very violent runner who could break it multiple ways. Juking you, running by you, or running through you with his patented truck spin His all around game puts him in that category becaause he could do it all at a HoF level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Great player Great person Not top 10 sorry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said: I agree, Thurman was a great all around back. He was also a good blocker; I remember him picking up many blitzers that otherwise would have got to Jim Kelly. I’m really not sure if I can think of a better RB at picking up the blitz. He was amazing! Add in the pass catching and he was MUCH more than a typical RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Augie said: I’m really not sure if I can think of a better RB at picking up the blitz. He was amazing! Add in the pass catching and he was MUCH more than a typical RB. Payton was the best at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Just now, Augie said: I’m really not sure if I can think of a better RB at picking up the blitz. He was amazing! Add in the pass catching and he was MUCH more than a typical RB. Plus...he was one of the few (maybe the only back) that took the snap directly and ran through the 'A' Gap. I don't think too many backs do that even now. Thurman was multi talented, maybe not a 'flashy' runner, but a very effective one...in multiple facets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 36 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I argued that Thurman is overlooked in the world of modern running backs and is a top 10 RB in NFL history... sure he didn’t dazzle like Barry or churn out 5 yard runs at a whack like Emmitt... but he was the most complete back of his time... his running, receiving, blocking and toughness made him the most rounded back of his Era his power / speed ratio was the best in the NFL and he was a violent runner led the NFL in yards from scrimmage an NFL record 4 consecutive seasons... an NFL MVP... a first ballot HoF As a student of the game I don’t find it foolish to say Thurman is a top 10 modern back That line back then was dominating.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Misterbluesky Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Plus...he was one of the few (maybe the only back) that took the snap directly and ran through the 'A' Gap. I don't think too many backs do that even now. Thurman was multi talented, maybe not a 'flashy' runner, but a very effective one...in multiple facets. Yes..between Hull and Ritcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Thurman, Barry, Emmitt, which one does Bill Belichick want for his offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW95 - JA17 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 If you can't find your helmet for a Super Bowl game, you are not a top 10 Running back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: Thurman, Barry, Emmitt, which one does Bill Belichick want for his offense? Thurman because he did it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) In his era, thomas was a clear #3 behind Smith and especially Sanders. They were both clearly better. Thomas was a great player, to be sure, but I remember this debate at the time and no one in good conscience was arguing that Thomas was as good as those two. It's not like the Bills didn't have an elite o-line between 1989 and 1992 (his elite years). News flash: Emmitt Smith was really effing good. Edited April 14, 2018 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 It’s hard to say this because his career was cut so short. But I would say Bo might be the greatest player to play the position. Period. End of story 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Thurman isn’t even the best RB in Bills’ history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: Thurman isn’t even the best RB in Bills’ history Hard to argue this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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