Mr. WEO Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 They are under no obligation to go. The #8 pick last year refused them. Anyway, nothing the NFLPA can do here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Whether teams "need" these workouts or not is irrelevant. They shouldn't be performing and risking their livelihoods for free. Apart from the effect on their career, who pays the medical bills? I don't think agents are doing their jobs if they are exposing their clients to potential injuries that could delay or even end their careers with no safeguards against disaster in place. You wouldn't pull a brand new Honda CRV out of the driveway without insurance. Ridiculous. 2 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: There will be like 500 rookie contracts signed between the draft and UDFA. Hundreds of private workouts. 2 is a small number. Zero is a smaller number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 That's kinda sucky story for those two guys. I would hate to see it happen but I guess that it does. Unless dudes choose to stop doing the workouts. Especially if it does ruin your chances of being drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 the worst part is that the teams probably just shrug, say "wow kid that's tough luck" and just move along, the workout being a smokescreen or "due diligence" anyway. Meanwhile, this player is injured right before the draft and will definitely be drafted later than he would have due to not being available. The guy who is going to miss the entire season is going to drop a round or two at least, costing him a TON of $$ that he might never get back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Mickey said: Whether teams "need" these workouts or not is irrelevant. They shouldn't be performing and risking their livelihoods for free. Apart from the effect on their career, who pays the medical bills? I don't think agents are doing their jobs if they are exposing their clients to potential injuries that could delay or even end their careers with no safeguards against disaster in place. You wouldn't pull a brand new Honda CRV out of the driveway without insurance. Ridiculous. Zero is a smaller number. It's a choice. People act like they are forced to do these private workouts. An agents job is to make his client money. More than 2 players will benefit from these workouts. Edited April 6, 2018 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: It's been year round for decades now. NFL Players if anything train smarter. But I was speaking of college football players. Decades but that all started in the late 80s or early 90s. Players entering the NFL in the 90s(aka 20 years ago to your point) were not a part of that growing up in the 70s. It just didnt happen...at least not on any wide scale like it does now. Edited April 6, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 The best ability, availability. If it was me or my client no way in hell im working out for a team for a private bs session. Go look at the game film, interview me, my coaches, and teammates. But once the season is over that’s it. I don’t even blame guys for skipping meaningless bowl games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Mickey said: They shouldn't be performing and risking their livelihoods for free. They should skip the NCAA as well then... 37 minutes ago, Charlottebillsfan2 said: The best ability, availability. If it was me or my client no way in hell im working out for a team for a private bs session. Go look at the game film, interview me, my coaches, and teammates. But once the season is over that’s it. I don’t even blame guys for skipping meaningless bowl games. What if your client mas a marginal 1st/2nd rounder. You wouldn't have your fully ensured client do anything possible to improve his draft status? As a client, wouldn't you want to do the same? Is it really a mystery as to why players do these workouts? They are all free to refuse. You want to talk about a worthless pre-draft endeavor (where players also get injured)? The combine is far more useless than individual team workouts--and it's not even close. Most of the guys of any interest at the combine are already the most scrupulously and exhaustively studied players in college football. And they are brought together to do .....stuff kids do in gym class: a short sprint, a long jump, some bench presses, running suicides and around some cones. All of this is almost like a cruel joke by the NFL---they might as well bring out ACTUAL HOOPS and then make these kids jump through them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 4 hours ago, Virgil said: They should work out at the combine and pro day, that’s it. Visits should be more about character and team chemistry. Especially since a lot of the meetings are smoke screens or precautions Couldn't agree more. You get to see me at pro day and the combine. That's it. If you want to wine and dine me great, a few questions ok. Nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 5 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: Injuries will happen training, in private workouts, or practice. Let's not overreact. It's part of the game. No, it's not "part of the game" when the draft prospect loses millions of dollars (and potentially an NFL career) due to a pre-draft workout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Koko78 said: No, it's not "part of the game" when the draft prospect loses millions of dollars (and potentially an NFL career) due to a pre-draft workout. You can also lose millions without a private workout. Players make money doing private workouts. Not every player is a 1st round pick. Late round picks and UDFAs can get money in workouts . Edited April 6, 2018 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 24 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: You can also lose millions without a private workout. Players make money doing private workouts. Not every player is a 1st round pick. Late round picks and UDFAs can get money in workouts . ....it does suck......then again, some of the NFL greedmeisters probably like it when the injury doesn't count against their nickel after they draft/sign the kid.....now they're damaged goods with realizing the NFL dream in serious question...sucks again............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: They should skip the NCAA as well then... What if your client mas a marginal 1st/2nd rounder. You wouldn't have your fully ensured client do anything possible to improve his draft status? As a client, wouldn't you want to do the same? Is it really a mystery as to why players do these workouts? They are all free to refuse. You want to talk about a worthless pre-draft endeavor (where players also get injured)? The combine is far more useless than individual team workouts--and it's not even close. Most of the guys of any interest at the combine are already the most scrupulously and exhaustively studied players in college football. And they are brought together to do .....stuff kids do in gym class: a short sprint, a long jump, some bench presses, running suicides and around some cones. All of this is almost like a cruel joke by the NFL---they might as well bring out ACTUAL HOOPS and then make these kids jump through them. That’s why I said once the season is over I’m done. I’m Not doing any of it including the combine. If your a marginal 1st/2nd rounder how much further are you really going to drop by not doing these useless workouts. But on the flip side you blow out a knee and drop 3 to 4 rounds or worse. Risk is not worth the reward of moving up some spots. Skip it boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 I got carpal tunnel filling out an application during an interview once. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 6 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Easy for you to say. He is still correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: They should skip the NCAA as well then... What if your client mas a marginal 1st/2nd rounder. You wouldn't have your fully ensured client do anything possible to improve his draft status? As a client, wouldn't you want to do the same? Is it really a mystery as to why players do these workouts? They are all free to refuse. You want to talk about a worthless pre-draft endeavor (where players also get injured)? The combine is far more useless than individual team workouts--and it's not even close. Most of the guys of any interest at the combine are already the most scrupulously and exhaustively studied players in college football. And they are brought together to do .....stuff kids do in gym class: a short sprint, a long jump, some bench presses, running suicides and around some cones. All of this is almost like a cruel joke by the NFL---they might as well bring out ACTUAL HOOPS and then make these kids jump through them. Skip the NCAA? I'm sorry but I don't think that is remotely comparable to attending needless private workouts. The athletes have medical coverage, free tuition, free room and board, not to mention an education and a chance at a professional career. I do think that its a borderline criminal that the athletes get so little of the mountains of cash they create but that is a problem for another day. I don't think they are really "free" to refuse since the expectation and tradition is that they will participate. If they don't, there will be tons of press about how they aren't team players, or are selfish, have a bad attitude, etc. Yes they can refuse, but it will cost them. What would change that is if their agents and the NFLPA got together and put a stop to it. As for the combine, I agree, its a waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 I knew a girl who was killed in a car accident while driving to a job interview. She lost everything and the potential employer just moved on to the next candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Charlottebillsfan2 said: That’s why I said once the season is over I’m done. I’m Not doing any of it including the combine. If your a marginal 1st/2nd rounder how much further are you really going to drop by not doing these useless workouts. But on the flip side you blow out a knee and drop 3 to 4 rounds or worse. Risk is not worth the reward of moving up some spots. Skip it boys. Yea, if you can’t see it at the combine, pro day or on film — I’m not sure how much you’re really going to see in a workout. I can see benchmarking once or twice but for a bunch of teams individually is silly I dig a visit to get to get to know a guy, give a physical etc... but to make him run drills is kind of silly to me. You should be able to tell what you need to tell by now unless something out of the ordinary has come up (say an injury and showing you’ve recovered for instance) Edited April 6, 2018 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Risk vs reward here. Tough break for the kids. Never wanna see anyone miss their potential shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 28 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: Risk vs reward here. Tough break for the kids. Never wanna see anyone miss their potential shot. Im not sure which situation would irk me more... knowing these kids got hurt running drills that probably won’t otherwise effect their draft stock or finding out that my team moved guys around drastically over 3 cone drills in private workouts after watching tape, the combine and pro days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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