Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Sounds like a little bit Sam Darnold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: That guy for me is Sam Darnold. I’m trying so hard to talk myself into liking him. Yeah me too. I just can't help but think he's going to be a massive bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 hour ago, mjt328 said: Oh please. There is nothing "lazy" about comparing Lamar Jackson to Tyrod Taylor. In today's NFL, I can't think of another quarterback he is more similar to. Lamar is closer to D. Watson then he is Tyrod Taylor 1 hour ago, mjt328 said: They are virtually identical in size. Taylor is 6'1, 215 lbs. Jackson is 6'2, 216 lbs. Both are excellent runners. Both are very athletic. Both are very fast. Both are very elusive. true 1 hour ago, mjt328 said: Despite being mobile, both have questionable pocket presence and struggle keeping their eyes downfield when rushed. If you had done your homework you would see that Lamar actually DOES keep his eyes downfield......and he is not a "run at the first sign of pressure" qb.....often holding the ball and taking a hit while throwing it. The majority of Lamar's runs are by design.....not from escaping a breaking pocket. 1 hour ago, mjt328 said: Neither does a great job of going through multiple progressions and making timing/anticipatory throws. Both have strong arms. But both have issues with accuracy. I see a lot more slants and over the middle throws from Lamar then I EVER did from TT. Also.....the passing TD productivity is really not comparable. That is why TT was a 5th round pick who needed to come in and get more work to reach his ceiling and lamar is considered a high pick who got better every year of college. 1 hour ago, mjt328 said: Yes, I realize we have a new OC. And I don't care. Well you SHOULD care because Dabol runs an offense that suits a dynamic playmaking QB 1 hour ago, mjt328 said: I don't want to deal with ANOTHER quarterback that needs to have an offense specifically designed around his "special" talents. Even if Brian Daboll caters his system to Lamar Jackson, then what about the next guy? And what about the guy after that? Virtually all of the coordinators in this league know how to use a pocket passer, and prefer pocket passers. The few guys who can (and are willing to) change are hard to find. The texans are really hating D. Watson 1 hour ago, mjt328 said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Yep, it is a drop back league. Has been for quite a long time. Like, forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: QBs need to be able to drop back and throw? Interesting.... Yep. We didn’t have one last year that could do it effectively or consistently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Lamar is closer to D. Watson then he is Tyrod Taylor true If you had done your homework you would see that Lamar actually DOES keep his eyes downfield......and he is not a "run at the first sign of pressure" qb.....often holding the ball and taking a hit while throwing it. The majority of Lamar's runs are by design.....not from escaping a breaking pocket. I see a lot more slants and over the middle throws from Lamar then I EVER did from TT. Also.....the passing TD productivity is really not comparable. That is why TT was a 5th round pick who needed to come in and get more work to reach his ceiling and lamar is considered a high pick who got better every year of college. Well you SHOULD care because Dabol runs an offense that suits a dynamic playmaking QB The texans are really hating D. Watson I just got done watching Jackson's game vs Clemson in 2016 and in my opinion Tyrod Taylor is about 20% the player of Lamar Jackson. What I mean by that is that while they play the same type of "dual threat" style of QBing, Jackson looks like a Superman and Taylor looks like a plain ordinary person. People need to watch this stuff and stop with the comparisons of Taylor... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Agree it took him awhile. But he was a 6th rd pick for a reason. My point is it takes a few years to develop and some instantaneous “judgments” can be very wrong. Troy Aichman started 1-13 or something there about. It’s AJs turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: That was nice and something we really haven’t seen in a few years. Anticipation and throwing a WR open. I think it was Gretzky that said he doesn’t pass the puck where you’re at, I’m passing it where you’ll be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Freak Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: LOL I don't think anyone is looking for a statue! They do want someone who can move around in the pocket and make a play. I believe (I could very easily be wrong) when you couple escapability and stand in the pocket to throw along with his other statements (about staying in there until the last second when you can't run, not sandlot football, Cam taking a beating etc.), I'm still not sure you get to Lamar - You actually get a lot closer to Allen & Darnold JMO of course... For me it isn't about the player that excites me, right now, it is actually the game of trying to figure out who fits what we know so far, from past statements, repetitive statements, etc.. It is Lamar personally, he feels to me a little more like the square peg...BY all means we could draft him if he is the highest rated player on our board, but I don't think that necessarily fits what they are looking for. Sometimes you can't get what you want... I follow you completely. Lamar J. ran mostly from designed plays though (to the tune of 70% or better). Not that I'm advocating for him (4th choice personally) but it appears he gets stereotyped here pretty heavily though. I think he has a chance w/ the right system & coaching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 To me that's a smokescreen sign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Freak Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Best Option I believe. Hope we can get him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 8 hours ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: Next sentence: Lamar Jackson is a great drop-back QB!! He is actually much much better than anyone gives him credit for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, peterpan said: He is actually much much better than anyone gives him credit for. I thinks he’s really good as well. I definitely wouldn’t compare him to Tyrod. I would compare him to RG3 (as a prospect). Edited March 27, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I thinks he’s really good as well. I definitely wouldn’t compare him to Tyrod. I would compare him to RG3. I'd compare him to DeShaun Watson. Watson has better throwing mechanics, but Jackson looks much faster and has better cutting ability. I have little doubts that Dabol would get Jackson very near Watson's playing level (before injury) by season's end. He would insert the same offense that the Texans used for Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Lamar is closer to D. Watson then he is Tyrod Taylor true If you had done your homework you would see that Lamar actually DOES keep his eyes downfield......and he is not a "run at the first sign of pressure" qb.....often holding the ball and taking a hit while throwing it. The majority of Lamar's runs are by design.....not from escaping a breaking pocket. I see a lot more slants and over the middle throws from Lamar then I EVER did from TT. Also.....the passing TD productivity is really not comparable. That is why TT was a 5th round pick who needed to come in and get more work to reach his ceiling and lamar is considered a high pick who got better every year of college. Well you SHOULD care because Dabol runs an offense that suits a dynamic playmaking QB The texans are really hating D. Watson You like Lamar Jackson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 2 hours ago, mjt328 said: Oh please. There is nothing "lazy" about comparing Lamar Jackson to Tyrod Taylor. In today's NFL, I can't think of another quarterback he is more similar to. They are virtually identical in size. Taylor is 6'1, 215 lbs. Jackson is 6'2, 216 lbs. Both are excellent runners. Both are very athletic. Both are very fast. Both are very elusive. Despite being mobile, both have questionable pocket presence and struggle keeping their eyes downfield when rushed. Neither does a great job of going through multiple progressions and making timing/anticipatory throws. Both have strong arms. But both have issues with accuracy. Yes, I realize we have a new OC. And I don't care. I don't want to deal with ANOTHER quarterback that needs to have an offense specifically designed around his "special" talents. Even if Brian Daboll caters his system to Lamar Jackson, then what about the next guy? And what about the guy after that? Virtually all of the coordinators in this league know how to use a pocket passer, and prefer pocket passers. The few guys who can (and are willing to) change are hard to find. Actually, I've seen Lamar Jackson play quite a bit. If his style of play, strengths and weaknesses are not similar to Tyrod Taylor's, please explain how they are SO different. Saying Taylor is less than 2 tenths of a second slower in his (unofficial) 40 time is not a great example. You may not be familiar with speed times, but two tenths is lifetime. If you've seen LJ play so much and not see the differences, I don't know what to tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 27 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: You may not be familiar with speed times, but two tenths is lifetime. If you've seen LJ play so much and not see the differences, I don't know what to tell you. I agree. There is a guy similar to Tyrod in the draft (just slower and less accurate). JT Barrett ya’ll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 15 hours ago, Blokestradamus said: I bear no ill will or animosity; I just have one question. Are you comparing Lamar to Tyrod as a prospect or to Tyrod as a guy with 7 years of time in the NFL? I think the difference in distinction is enormous. I'm saying they have similar "styles" to the way they play the QB position. I'm saying they are strong in most of the same areas. I'm saying they are weak in the same areas. To me, when you compare QBs, those are the places you need to start in. Just because I believe they are very similar DOES NOT mean that I believe Jackson can't become a better NFL player than Taylor. To look at the opposite end of the spectrum, you have a player like Josh Rosen. His strengths are accuracy, timing, anticipation and progressing through his leads. But the guy is very immobile and is strictly a pocket passer. His arm and athletic talent is very average. In my opinion, he is going to be more similar to guys like Tom Brady or Matt Ryan. I'm not trying to say his ceiling/floor will be anything close to those guys. I'm saying their styles, strengths and weaknesses are similar. Even if people HATE the Taylor comparison, they have to admit that coaches would be wasting Lamar Jackson's talent by putting him into a traditional pocket-passer role. He will be better when his mobility is taken advantage of. I have no idea what Brian Daboll has in mind for this offense. But I know that our Head Coach allowed Daboll's predecessor to force players into roles that didn't fit player strengths. And most OCs in this league are going to have the same mentality. If we are drafting a franchise QB for the long-haul, I would prefer to have a traditional pocket passer, who relies more on accuracy/timing/anticipation than athletic ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 19 hours ago, eball said: But if you try sometimes you find, you get what you need... I always need more Rolling Stones!! 16 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Lamar is closer to D. Watson then he is Tyrod Taylor To me he is pretty much bang smack mid point between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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