Albert Breer's new mock

[Jay_Fixit]

3 hours ago, DFT said:

Yep.  You got me.  That was it.  I went all in on that one guy.   He seemed like such a good guy. He’s taller in person too. Seemed to know his stuff and was very well-rounded about Rosen. Yep. 

Taller in person.

Fat and Slow.

It’s pronounced Core-Darrell

Shoes.

 

[Rico]

Burning a lot of draft picks to move up for a major project of a QB makes absolutely no sense to me at all, not in this day and age. I just can’t see this happening.

Edited March 21, 2018 by Rico

[DFT]

Just now, Jay_Fixit said:

Taller in person.

Fat and Slow.

It’s pronounced Core-Darrell

Shoes.

 

I need you to know just how much you complete me.   

 

 

You, big guy.   

[Jay_Fixit]

32 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Exactly.

 

The top QBs in NFL history for the most part were guys who didn't blow the doors off with their athletic ability. 

 

The majority of Hall of Fame passers are smart, cerebral players with pin point accuracy. There are exceptions, but they are extremely rare. 

 

The best QBs of the modern era (last 15 years) are Tom Brady (no mobility, mediocre arm strength, pin point precision), Peyton Manning (no mobility, decent arm, pin point precision), Drew Brees (limited mobility, subpar size, decent arm, pin point precision), Aaron Rodgers (good mobility, elite arm, mediocre size, pin point precision).

 

The common trait when you look at any elite QB who is more than a flash in the pan is elite accuracy, and Allen simply doesn't have it. 

Inaccuracy is a death blow to an NFL QB.

 

If you can’t hit receivers in college when “open” is 1-2 yards then you’re definitely not hitting “open” receivers in the NFL when you’re dealing with inches and next level anticipation.

 

Another major fault is people thinking that a guy who can throw 80 yards means something. It doesn’t.

 

Josh Allen = Yikes.

[jrober38]

5 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Inaccuracy is a death blow to an NFL QB.

 

If you can’t hit receivers in college when “open” is 1-2 yards then you’re definitely not hitting “open” receivers in the NFL when you’re dealing with inches and next level anticipation.

 

Another major fault is people thinking that a guy who can throw 80 yards means something. It doesn’t.

 

Josh Allen = Yikes.

 

Josh Allen will get drafted in round 1 for the same reasons EJ Manuel, Josh Freeman, Jake Locker, Kyle Boller and JP Losman were picked in round 1, and he'll fail miserably for the same reasons they all failed miserably. 

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

Josh Allen will get drafted in round 1 for the same reasons EJ Manuel, Josh Freeman, Jake Locker, Kyle Boller and JP Losman were picked in round 1, and he'll fail miserably for the same reasons they all failed miserably. 

 

I have to ask: how much have you watched him play?  His performance on the field is a stark contrast to the guys you are mentioning.

[GG]

14 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Hey, just saying.

 

McDermott is a devout hard core catholic. Rosens jewish and outspoken background might no mesh well with the process. ?

 

Say what?

[BuffaloRebound]

3 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Josh Allen will get drafted in round 1 for the same reasons EJ Manuel, Josh Freeman, Jake Locker, Kyle Boller and JP Losman were picked in round 1, and he'll fail miserably for the same reasons they all failed miserably. 

 

Allen may end up being a bust just like any of the other top QB prospects could, but the guys you mentioned couldn't hold a candle to Allen as a draft prospect.  

[jrober38]

1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said:

 

Allen may end up being a bust just like any of the other top QB prospects could, but the guys you mentioned couldn't hold a candle to Allen as a draft prospect.  

 

What does Allen do better than any of them? 

 

I'm struggling to see the difference. 

[DFT]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

What does Allen do better than any of them? 

 

I'm struggling to see the difference. 

Strongest arm, great build and freakishly athletic for his size.  That is helping people see passed his GLARING deficiencies. 

[DrDawkinstein]

5 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Plenty of mocks to go around, but Breer is especially plugged in around the league - and he specifically says that he showed the mock to league execs and "didn't get much pushback."  The Josh Allen rumors aren't going away and are either part of an elaborate smokescreen, or...

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/21/mock-draft-sam-darnold-browns-bills-trade-giants-josh-allen-broncos-trade-browns-baker-mayfield

 

2. Buffalo (projected trade with N.Y. Giants): Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
The Bills have done a nice job building capital for a bold swing. This is one. Allen’s potential is limitless, and his big frame and arm are made for Buffalo, though he has a ways to go.

 

 

Not a huge Allen fan myself, but what do I know. All I want is for the Bills to get to #2 and get THEIR GUY, THE GUY.

 

If Beane and McD think that is Allen, then so be it. They know better than any of us.

 

I'm just happy to get to #2

[thebandit27]

5 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

What does Allen do better than any of them? 

 

I'm struggling to see the difference. 

 

3 minutes ago, DFT said:

Strongest arm, great build and freakishly athletic for his size.  That is helping people see passed his GLARING deficiencies. 

 

I keep asking this of people that are dead set against the guy: how much of him have you watched?

[jrober38]

5 minutes ago, DFT said:

Strongest arm, great build and freakishly athletic for his size.  That is helping people see passed his GLARING deficiencies. 

 

He's the same size as every guy I mentioned. Most of them are better athletes than him (better athletic tests, better forty times). 

 

His arrm strength is outstanding, but it was the biggest plus for Josh Freeman, JP Losmand and Kyle Boller as well.

 

Kyle Boller could throw a football 80 yards as well. JP Losman and Freeman could also throw it a mile. Like Allen, the problem was they all had horrible accuracy. 

 

Every year size, arm strength and athleticism coax scouts into ignoring the game tape, and every time they do they wind up picking a bust. 

Edited March 21, 2018 by jrober38

[DFT]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

 

I keep asking this of people that are dead set against the guy: how much of him have you watched?

Quite a bit.   In person and film.

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

He's the same size as every guy I mentioned. Most of them are better athletes than him (better athletic tests, better forty times). 

 

His arrm strength is outstanding, but it was the biggest plus for Josh Freeman, JP Losmand and Kyle Boller as well.

 

Kyle Boller could throw a football 80 yards as well. JP Losman and Freeman could also throw it a mile. Like Allen, the problem was they all had horrible accuracy. 

 

Every year size, arm strength and athleticism coax scouts into ignoring the game tape, and every time they do they wind up picking a bust. 

I didn’t see the guys you referenced, but agree that he’s eerily similar to Freeman and Boller.  You want those guys to make it, badly because their brand of talent is so rare.  But the tape doesn’t lie.   He has some serious bust potential 

[BuffaloRebound]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

He's the same size as every guy I mentioned. Most of them are better athletes than him. 

 

Arm strength is outstanding, but it was the biggest plus for Josh Freeman, JP Losmand and Kyle Boller as well.

 

Kyle Boller could throw a football 80 yards as well. Like Allen, the problem was he had horrible accuracy. 

 

Physically, Josh Freeman was comparable but not as tough and Boller is the only guy you mentioned who comes close to Allen's arm strength but Allen has better touch than Boller did.  

[H2o]

5 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Terrible mock. He doesn't have Mason Rudolph in the first! He knows nothing.  

 

Anyway, I'm am starting to feel like the Giants could want Barkley. If he is there at two they won't trade out. If the Browns take him at one, they will trade out. Breer mentions that the Giants love Barkley and Nelson. 

 

This is all contingent on the Giants not wanting a quarterback, but I think we we could have standing offers for the 2 and 4 picks. If the Browns go QB and the Giants get Barkley, the Browns probably trade us 4. If the Browns take Barkley, the Giants maybe trade out with us, and the Browns get a quarterback at 4. I think it is all contingent on if Barkley is available. Either way we would be guaranteed 1 of Allen, Darnold, Rosen. 

This is my thought on the Giants as well. You add Barkley to that offense? They could be amongst the league's best again and the defense is already solid. 

[jrober38]

11 minutes ago, DFT said:

Quite a bit.   In person and film.

I didn’t see the guys you referenced, but agree that he’s eerily similar to Freeman and Boller.  You want those guys to make it, badly because their brand of talent is so rare.  But the tape doesn’t lie.   He has some serious bust potential 

 

His downside is that he's out of the league in 5-6 years or nothing more than a training camp flier by the end of their rookie deal like each of Manuel, Boller, Losman and Freeman. 

 

People get so wrapped up in arm strength, but they completely ignore that the NFL is a precision passing league where 75-80% of throws are within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. 

 

Knowing that, why does it even matter if a guy can throw the ball 80 yards. When does that skill ever actually present itself as an opportunity on a football field? 

[Mojo44]

6 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said:

Beane doesn't have the guts to go to 2, he's drunk on his draft capital.

 It’s not drunkenness. It’s out right common sense. None of these top for quarterbacks are sure things. Rosian and Darnold Calm the closest but they are not that close. Personally, I do not get all of the Mayfield love. He is a short system quarterback who played in a conference that didn’t play any defense. He is the biggest risk of all. Not to mention his personality issues. For the bills currently and for their future standing pat where they are is their best tact.

[jrober38]

10 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

 

Physically, Josh Freeman was comparable but not as tough and Boller is the only guy you mentioned who comes close to Allen's arm strength but Allen has better touch than Boller did.  

 

Dude, you're literally making all the same excuses people made for Kyle Boller when he went from 3rd or 4th round prospect to top 20 pick. The same ones we made when we picked EJ Manuel 6 years ago. 

 

Read up on Boller - he had a great senior bowl, and then an outstanding combine and pro day. He supposedly threw a football threw the uprights from mid field while kneeling. Scouts left the practice drooling over his arm and mobility. 

 

Then he put the pads on, and the Kyle Boller that everyone loved in shorts and a t shirt went back to being the Kyle Boller that wasn't actually very good at playing football. He was eaten alive in the NFL because despite being able to throw the ball 80 yards, he couldn't consistently hit receivers within 10 yards of the LOS. 

[BullBuchanan]

6 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said:

This is the #1 reason we need a dome so Bills GMs would stop worrying about arm strength so much. 

 

If you build a Dome in Buffalo, what's the point of even having a team here? Move them to Florida and be done with it. Buffalo is built for grit.