Victory Formation Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 Out of the teams that traded up for 1st round QBs in the past 10 years: 2017: Chicago for Mitchell Trubisky Kansas City for Patrick Mahomes Houston for Deshaun Watson 2016: Los Angeles for Jared Goff Philadelphia for Carson Wentz 2015: no one. 2014: Johnny Manziel Teddy Bridgewater 2013: no one. 2012: Washington gave up the farm for RG3. 2011: nobody. 2010: nobody. 2009: Tampa Bay traded to #17 for Josh Freeman. 2008: Nobody So out of the 9 QBs taken: 33% have been great. (Wentz, Goff, Watson) 44% have been busts. (Freeman, RG3, Trubisky, Manziel) 22% the jury is still out on. (Bridgewater, Mahomes) 1 2
Victory Formation Posted March 11, 2018 Author Posted March 11, 2018 On 3/11/2018 at 11:13 AM, Tsaikotic said: How is Trubisky a bust already? Expand Fair enough, maybe I'm letting my personal opinion get in the way on that, but I really don't think so, he sucks.
The Bills Blog Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 My initial reaction is that I don't think it's fair to call Trubisky a bust at this point. 1
Victory Formation Posted March 11, 2018 Author Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) On 3/11/2018 at 11:15 AM, The Bills Blog said: My initial reaction is that I don't think it's fair to call Trubisky a bust at this point. Expand Well, let me put it this way, do you think Chicago would make the same trade today that they did a year ago for Trubisky? Edited March 11, 2018 by NewDayBills 1
Doc Brown Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 How can you label Trubisky a bust after 12 games? He had a typical rookie season. The jury is still out on Watson as well as RG3 had a great rookie year before the injury in the playoffs. This is the best draft class since '04 and we're fools if we don't move up and draft one in the top 5 given the capital we have. On 3/11/2018 at 11:18 AM, NewDayBills said: Well, let me put it this way, do you think Chicago would make the same trade today that they did a year ago for Trubisky? Expand No. They'd of moved up for Watson and we would of stayed at #10 and drafted Watson if we had to do it again. Hindsight is 50/50 though. 5
xRUSHx Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 Its a QB driven league and teams know this. You either stink up the league to get your franchise worthy QB pick or you gut and trade to get your franchise worthy QB pick, eitherway without one your just not good enough. A good run team will go all in on getting one or your team forever rides the there is always next year talk wishing for a miracle out of a QB not talented enough to get the job done. A franchise worthy QB is truly the only way to have that championship team every season, it is like the lottery if you do not invest in a ticket you will never win. On 3/11/2018 at 11:18 AM, Doc Brown said: How can you label Trubisky a bust after 12 games? He had a typical rookie season. The jury is still out on Watson as well as RG3 had a great rookie year before the injury in the playoffs. This is the best draft class since '04 and we're fools if we don't move up and draft one in the top 5 given the capital we have. No. They'd of moved up for Watson and we would of stayed at #10 and drafted Watson if we had to do it again. Hindsight is 50/50 though. Expand Excellent post Doc 2
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) On 3/11/2018 at 10:58 AM, NewDayBills said: Out of the teams that traded up for 1st round QBs in the past 10 years: 2017: Chicago for Mitchell Trubisky Kansas City for Patrick Mahomes Houston for Deshaun Watson 2016: Los Angeles for Jared Goff Philadelphia for Carson Wentz 2015: no one. 2014: Johnny Manziel Teddy Bridgewater 2013: no one. 2012: Washington gave up the farm for RG3. 2011: nobody. 2010: nobody. 2009: Tampa Bay traded to #17 for Josh Freeman. 2008: Nobody So out of the 9 QBs taken: 33% have been great. (Wentz, Goff, Watson) 44% have been busts. (Freeman, RG3, Trubisky, Manziel) 22% the jury is still out on. (Bridgewater, Mahomes) Expand Goff would have been a bust after 1 year in your eyes too then, right? Give Trubisky time...and talent around him. Watson I'd say the jury is definitely still out on. He was great at first...so was RGIII. Then...injury. Let's see who he is coming back and with a bit more time in the league. Edited March 11, 2018 by No Place To Hyde 1
BuffaloBill Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 On 3/11/2018 at 11:13 AM, Tsaikotic said: How is Trubisky a bust already? Expand Calling Wertz, Goff and Watson great is also a stretch at this point. It’s very early in their careers. 3 1
Victory Formation Posted March 11, 2018 Author Posted March 11, 2018 On 3/11/2018 at 11:55 AM, BuffaloBill said: Calling Wertz, Goff and Watson great is also a stretch at this point. It’s very early in their careers. Expand Well, take Goff, Wentz and Watson off the list then, which makes my reasoning behind this thread even more meaningful. Fans want to trade the farm for a QB when the odds of landing a franchise guy is 33% at best. 1
GunnerBill Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 The only two of those trades that I wouldn't make again today are the same two I wouldn't have made at the time - Manziel and Freeman. 1 1
Foxx Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 your right. lets just continue to do the things we have done for the last 17 years because they have worked so very well. 1
Victory Formation Posted March 11, 2018 Author Posted March 11, 2018 On 3/11/2018 at 12:00 PM, Foxx said: your right. lets just continue to do the things we have done for the last 17 years because they have worked so very well. Expand When is the last time we've had this many picks? We can literally load up and build a powerhouse. Trading that away for nothing, why do it? I could see moving up 8-10 spots because that would not put a dent in our capital, but moving in the top 10 like some want is irresponsible.
Foxx Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 On 3/11/2018 at 12:03 PM, NewDayBills said: When is the last time we've had this many picks? We can literally load up and build a powerhouse. Trading that away for nothing, why do it? I could see moving up 8-10 spots because that would not put a dent in our capital, but moving in the top 10 like some want is irresponsible. Expand im sure you know the definition of insanity. continuing to do what you have always done and expecting different results......
Pbomb Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 On 3/11/2018 at 11:18 AM, NewDayBills said: Well, let me put it this way, do you think Chicago would make the same trade today that they did a year ago for Trubisky? Expand Goff was terrible his rookie year, wentz wasnt exactly tearing it up either 1
GreggTX Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 On 3/11/2018 at 10:58 AM, NewDayBills said: Out of the teams that traded up for 1st round QBs in the past 10 years: 2017: Chicago for Mitchell Trubisky Kansas City for Patrick Mahomes Houston for Deshaun Watson 2016: Los Angeles for Jared Goff Philadelphia for Carson Wentz 2015: no one. 2014: Johnny Manziel Teddy Bridgewater 2013: no one. 2012: Washington gave up the farm for RG3. 2011: nobody. 2010: nobody. 2009: Tampa Bay traded to #17 for Josh Freeman. 2008: Nobody So out of the 9 QBs taken: 33% have been great. (Wentz, Goff, Watson) 44% have been busts. (Freeman, RG3, Trubisky, Manziel) 22% the jury is still out on. (Bridgewater, Mahomes) Expand Trubisky is already a bust? Maybe you could give him a little more time??? 1
Victory Formation Posted March 11, 2018 Author Posted March 11, 2018 On 3/11/2018 at 12:05 PM, Foxx said: im sure you know the definition of insanity. continuing to do what you have always done and expecting different results...... Expand I've shown you statistics that provide examples as to what other teams have done. Why not learn from the mistakes of other people so you don't make the same mistakes yourself? 33% chance at best to find a franchise QB if we trade the farm for to get into the top 5. Or we could take those 5 picks in the top 65 selections and build our own version of the Legion of Boom. 1
26CornerBlitz Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 On 3/11/2018 at 12:12 PM, NewDayBills said: I've shown you statistics that provide examples as to what other teams have done. Why not learn from the mistakes of other people so you don't make the same mistakes yourself? 33% chance at best to find a franchise QB if we trade the farm for to get into the top 5. Or we could take those 5 picks in the top 65 selections and build our own version of the Legion of Boom. Expand Or those 5 picks could turn out to be non-impact players. 1
Victory Formation Posted March 11, 2018 Author Posted March 11, 2018 On 3/11/2018 at 12:09 PM, GreggTX said: Trubisky is already a bust? Maybe you could give him a little more time??? Expand I doubt Chicago would trade up for Trubisky again, which is all you need to know.
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