Roundybout Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Niagara said: Initially, Jim Kelly did not want to come here, skipped on debts and had a bar room incident. Then he found Jesus, and became a HOF QB. Maybe we will find another HOF QB and maybe we will just have to suffer another twenty years. Good Luck. Hold up, are you comparing JF to Jim Kelly? Yikes. Also when I saw the title of this thread I was thinking Josh Freeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Hold up, are you comparing JF to Jim Kelly? Yikes. Also when I saw the title of this thread I was thinking Josh Freeman. He's comparing Chad Kelly to Jim Kelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 hour ago, jmc12290 said: No. My argument is that, in the past, we've brought in all manners of QB's trying to find the "guy" and none of them negatively affected us in TC. OK, I disagree then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He's not an NFL caliber talent IMO. Manziel was in the process of finding his game at the pro-level... He arrested his own development, and now it's hard for people to trust him. I'd like to see how he handles the bullsh_t league he's playing in now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, #34fan said: Manziel was in the process of finding his game at the pro-level... He arrested his own development, and now it's hard for people to trust him. I'd like to see how he handles the bullsh_t league he's playing in now. Running around to make broken plays is not a sustainable way to play QB at the NFL level with an expectation of any consistency. Manziel doesn't possess any physical skills that make him viable or set him apart at the NFL level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 33 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: OK, I disagree then What did Jordan Palmer cost us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I think Manziel needs to go to the CFL and develop for a few years, the NFL is probably too much for him at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, #34fan said: I believe Manziel can still play in the NFL... But there are players. I think, more deserving of a second chance. (*sigh*) Karlos Williams! -WHERE ARE YOU!!!!! Karlos Is Key!! mcD would hate him, but that kid could play Edited February 25, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 47 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Running around to make broken plays is not a sustainable way to play QB at the NFL level with an expectation of any consistency. Manziel doesn't possess any physical skills that make him viable or set him apart at the NFL level. Every rookie NFL QB needs to find their own game... Every young man needs to find himself... Johnny is a natural athlete that dominated his position at the college level. I don't agree with everything he does... That said, it's HIS live, and he likes to live to the fullest... The NFL definitely did the right thing by turning their back on him. However, If he's truly gotten his act together, and is finally serious about football he deserves an opportunity at redemption.... Maybe this isn't the time. Let's see how things play out. 32 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Karlos Is Key!! If he ever comes back, The follow-up thread will be: "Should the Bills Key-in on Karlos?" Edited February 25, 2018 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, #34fan said: Every rookie NFL QB needs to find their own game... Every young man needs to find himself... Johnny is a natural athlete that dominated his position at the college level. I don't agree with everything he does... That said, it's HIS live, and he likes to live to the fullest... The NFL definitely did the right thing by turning their back on him. However, If he's truly gotten his act together, and is finally serious about football he deserves an opportunity at redemption.... Maybe this isn't the time. Let's see how things play out. Key words. He'll never make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 he's bipolar drug addict version of Tyrod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 17 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Key words. He'll never make it. Few shared that sentiment when the Browns used a first round pick on him in '14... He has a lot to prove... If his act is truly together, another opportunity shouldn't be out of the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, #34fan said: Few shared that sentiment when the Browns used a first round pick on him in '14... That's just wrong. He had A LOT of skeptics. Had Haslam not fallen in love with the narrative he could have slid well into round 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) No. Vick showed that on his own ability he could beat alot of teams and carry a team. To believe he never studied his playbook once in atlanta is crazy. He beat Farve in GB in the playoffs. Manzie is at best a middling NFL Qb. No reason to start a pr fire over a camp arm. Edited February 25, 2018 by Mat68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said: That's just wrong. He had A LOT of skeptics. Had Haslam not fallen in love with the narrative he could have slid well into round 2. Yes there were skeptics... Peopled that questioned his character.... Taking him where the Brown took him, etc... What I don't recall, is a whole lot of this "He'll never make it" talk... A lot of his critics saw his upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, Mat68 said: No reason to start a pr fire over a camp arm. This is exactly the reason he's going to fight a huge uphill battle to break back into the league. It's the same thing that did in Tebow. No franchise wants the guy just battling to make the roster be the reason ESPN sets up shop in your camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Just now, #34fan said: Yes there were skeptics... Peopled that questioned his character.... Taking him where the Brown took him, etc... What I don't recall, is a whole lot of this "He'll never make it" talk... A lot of his critics saw his upside. He does nothing special as a QB or as an athlete at the NFL level. Add in his major character concerns that make him toxic you have a no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: That's just wrong. He had A LOT of skeptics. Had Haslam not fallen in love with the narrative he could have slid well into round 2. Wow, imagine being a second round pick at QB? That basically means nobody believes in you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Wow, imagine being a second round pick at QB? That basically means nobody believes in you. Way to miss the point entirely. The famous Patriots scouting report went public. Several teams removed him from their draft board. I only say into the second round because there's no way Jerruh passes up bringing him to Dallas, but a good portion of the league saw him for the clown show he always was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Way to miss the point entirely. The famous Patriots scouting report went public. Several teams removed him from their draft board. I only say into the second round because there's no way Jerruh passes up bringing him to Dallas, but a good portion of the league saw him for the clown show he always was. I wouldn't have drafted him with a 7th round pick. 1 minute ago, jmc12290 said: LOL talk about hyperbole. Not worth the headache as a **** face of a franchise and a game that doesn't translate to the NFL. CFL talent. Trevor Siemian! Edited February 25, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I wouldn't have drafted him with a 7th round pick. Not worth the headache as a **** face of a franchise and a game that doesn't translate to the NFL. CFL talent. Trevor Siemian! You draft the face of the franchise with a 7th round pick? Talk about a joke. You clearly have some personal issues that would make you unfit to be an NFL GM. Edited February 25, 2018 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: You draft the face of the franchise with a 7th round pick? Talk about a joke. You clearly have some personal issues that would make you unfit to be an NFL GM. Not going down the rabbit hole of inanity with you. Trevor Siemian! Edited February 25, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Not going down the rabbit hole of inanity with you. Trevor Siemian! I understand. Florio may post something important on Twitter and you need to be ready. Can't let Yolo make you obsolete. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Just now, jmc12290 said: I understand. Florio may post something important on Twitter and you need to be ready. Can't let Yolo make you obsolete. Trevor Siemian! Explains why you like Manziel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Trevor Siemian! Explains why you like Manziel. Manziel had way more talent than Siemian. That's why he was a top prospect, and Siemian wasn't. Your personal vendetta is blinding you, Tweetledum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Just now, jmc12290 said: Manziel had way more talent than Siemian. That's why he was a top prospect, and Siemian wasn't. Your personal vendetta is blinding you, Tweetledum. You like them both and I'm not surprised. Manziel a top prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Way to miss the point entirely. The famous Patriots scouting report went public. Several teams removed him from their draft board. I only say into the second round because there's no way Jerruh passes up bringing him to Dallas, but a good portion of the league saw him for the clown show he always was. Oh right, the infamous report... Now, read it And it STILL says he could backup Tom and develop into a starter... Even Merrill Hodge, who hated the kid. gave him a 6th round rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You like them both and I'm not surprised. Manziel a top prospect. He was drafted in the first round and was the second QB taken. What planet are you on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 If JF was Joe Ferguson, I’d be just as tempted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Just now, jmc12290 said: He was drafted in the first round and was the second QB taken. What planet are you on? By the Browns at the behest of personnel expert Jimmy Haslam! I called him Johnny Flameout before the draft and guess what he did?? Thanks for playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, #34fan said: Oh right, the infamous report... Now, read it And it STILL says he could backup Tom and develop into a starter... Even Merrill Hodge, who hated the kid. gave him a 6th round rating. Outstanding athlete with good arm strength and good accuracy. Wow, sounds like he was bound to be undrafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I wouldn't have drafted him with a 7th round pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: By the Browns at the behest of personnel expert Jimmy Haslam! I called him Johnny Flameout before the draft and guess what he did?? Thanks for playing. That has no bearing on what he was as a prospect. Now I know why you stick to Copy Paste. You actually can't form a coherent argument. Fingers crossed some more NFL news breaks tonight to save you from yourself. Edited February 25, 2018 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: That has no bearing on what he was as a prospect. Now I know why you stick to Copy Paste. You actually can't form a coherent argument. Nice try. His runaround game at the NCAA level doesn't translate no matter how much you try to advocate for him and he's not fast at the NFL level. CFL talent. You compared Siemian to Montana now that is a joke argument. Edited February 25, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Nice try. His runaround game at the NCAA level doesn't translate no matter how much you try to advocate for him and he's not fast at the NFL level. CFL talent. You compared Siemian to Montana now that is a joke argument. Babby's first deflection. Stay on topic, Junior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Just now, jmc12290 said: Babby's first deflection. Stay on topic, Junior. It's a point to show just how bad you are at assessing QBs with Jay Cutler as another sad example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: It's a point to show just how bad you are at assessing QBs with Jay Cutler as another sad example. And none of it makes any difference to the fact that Johnny Manziel was a top QB prospect in the 2014 draft. Arguing this point is like arguing that water isn't wet. Go back to Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: And none of it makes any difference to the fact that Johnny Manziel was a top QB prospect in the 2014 draft. Arguing this point is like arguing that water isn't wet. Go back to Twitter. WGAS about what some thought of him in 2014? That's immaterial to what happened and the idea of this thread. Pick up a book on the fundamentals of QB play and then opine. Edited February 25, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 No. I mean come on man. Start a thread about how nice the weather was today for a February day. Johnny Football deserves what he is getting. When you leave the office do you say ‘ hey let me try going North on the freeway even though I know south takes me home’? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: WGAS about what some thought of him in 2014? That's immaterial to what happened and the idea of this thread. Pick up a book on the fundamentals of QB play and the opine. You were the one WGAS dopey! 23 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Manziel had way more talent than Siemian. That's why he was a top prospect, and Siemian wasn't. Your personal vendetta is blinding you, Tweetledum. 21 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You like them both and I'm not surprised. Manziel a top prospect. Maybe instead of acting like a crazy person, stick to the Twittersphere. Because you. Suck. At. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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