NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 24 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think we will get more than a 7th. I think best case is a 4th. Still shouldn't pay 6mil for that either. If they trade him before they have to take the option that would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: I think best case is a 4th. Still shouldn't pay 6mil for that either. If they trade him before they have to take the option that would be great. We will see what someone might offer for Taylor a safe backup , or the Bills keep him or release by March 16 . Depends what happens in early free agency . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 On 2/22/2018 at 4:03 PM, NewDayBills said: The only thing Jackson and Taylor have in common is, they're both black and can run. Jackson is a much better passer. *In college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Don't worry, that's just what he does. He gets owned so much in some of his ridiculous arguments and then just tries to twist everything around as much as possible confusing the issue, pretending like he "won," which oddly enough he seems to care waaaaayyy too much about (so much so that he can't typically see the forest for the trees) and then suddenly turns into some juvenile claiming he won an argument he never won. Sometimes he'll make a good point, though... sometimes Am I replacing Taylor as the apple of your eye? Oh goodie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: How good is Tyrod Taylor u are definitely overrating that bum. He's a front runner when things are going good he shows up when we get behind by 3pts basically mail it in. At the end of the day Taylor doesn't even get close to checking the boxes as far as playing the position. No anticipation, No vision, No Timing, inaccurate, doesn't lead Wrs open, doesn't give them a chance to gain yds after the catch. U catch my drift. Yes he's the QB that helped end the drought by no means did he carry this team to the playoffs. He's a 3rd teir starter. We need to move on and stop wasting our time. So were gonna pay 6mil to acquire a 7th? That's what i call horrible management of your cap. We can get a quality starter with that 6mil. but if they cut him, aren't they stuck with more than that in dead money? i think they're doing the smart thing here. i also would not doubt that they have talked to teams that would be interested depending on how the top free agents shake out. i also think taking the chance that he may make a draft day trade easier is a real possibility, (which may also be an ongoing discussion with other teams). so worse case scenario, if i'm not mistaken is that if they end up releasing him before june 1st, then they eat a couple more mil. tyrod will not be starting here next year no matter what(thankfully). he is not going to want to be here, he will not take another paycut and he will not agree to be a backup here. it's just a matter of the fo and their tt exit strategy. Edited February 24, 2018 by billsredneck1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I think we will get more than a 7th. Y'all guys might shift your thinking. What if they're looking for a pick swap, either straight up or with extras, rather than an extra pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 14 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: That's what i call horrible management of your cap. We can get a quality starter with that 6mil. Like who for example? 13 hours ago, billsredneck1 said: Tyrod will not be starting here next year no matter what(thankfully). I love how you state this as if it were a known fact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 18 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Well put it this way.... if nobody offers anything then Tyrod is their vet. But I think they will take the best trade offer they have. If that is a 7th (I don'f think it would be) then so be it. So... your stance if Tyrod is still a Buffalo Bill in 2018 is clearly going to be that Buffalo was forced to keep him because no one would even offer up a 7th round pick 14 hours ago, jmc12290 said: Am I replacing Taylor as the apple of your eye? Oh goodie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: So... your stance if Tyrod is still a Buffalo Bill in 2018 is clearly going to be that Buffalo was forced to keep him because no one would even offer up a 7th round pick My stance is that is a long way down their list of preferred options and has less than 10% chance of happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I suspect there are a few considerations at play, primarily the fact that they are willing to pay the $6 million as an insurance policy guaranteeing that they have an adequate option with Taylor. However that does not preclude the option of drafting a QB or for that matter upgrading at the position via FA. Beane has stated that 2019 was going to be the year that they would be looking good in terms of cap space and paying the roster bonus doesn't affect that. I think another consideration which would be secondary is that by paying the bonus we do have more potential draft capital and TT is much more attractive draft bait with the Bills paying the bonus. However I do disagree with the notion that the Bills would trade him for whatever value they could get. That doesn't make sense, they would most likely only trade him if they have a better option in place unless the trade offer was too good to pass up. I'm not convinced that TT will be our starting QB next season but I am convinced that this is the strategy and that it's quite possible he could be our QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 IMO If Tyrod stays on this team another season I expect this staff to be looking like McChan after 2 seasons, old and defeated. Fans will make sure of it just like they did with Chan. Many fans expected the change at QB year one with this staff and all we got was another season of Tyrod and another OC fired. Lucky for them Cinci saved a not good enough season with a wild card, that luck took decades to happen if they expect it to happen again with Rex choice at QB I expect the will be very disappointed and the birth of McChan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: IMO If Tyrod stays on this team another season I expect this staff to be looking like McChan after 2 seasons, old and defeated. Fans will make sure of it just like they did with Chan. Many fans expected the change at QB year one with this staff and all we got was another season of Tyrod and another OC fired. Lucky for them Cinci saved a not good enough season with a wild card, that luck took decades to happen if they expect it to happen again with Rex choice at QB I expect the will be very disappointed and the birth of McChan. So we will fire the staff that made the playoffs after 17 years the next season? We we all know how desperately you want Tyrod gone. 100% of your posts reference him. The staff is taking a conservative (and intelligent) approach. You can do worse (we saw that firsthand). The plan is, and has always been, to try to draft a guy this year. They also want to have a veteran presence as well. I know that you expect any rookie to come in and be an upgrade immediately. Clearly you don’t watch much college football. These guys are all in different places. Yes, there are a couple of guys that can play day 1 (Rosen and Mayfield). There are others that will get the Mahomes treatment. The veteran (and it may be Tyrod) will play anywhere from 0 games to an entire season. Since FA comes first the Bills are going to protect themselves. That’s the prudent and responsible decision (pretty much the exact opposite of the Chan era). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I would be ok with a cheaper Fitz (just no long throws) , hope Peterman might start , sit a drafted QB . Depends on Vikings QBs also in free agency. I'm just ready to move on from Taylor, he might have a long career as a backup . As long as the drafted QB has good potential not worried about making the playoffs in 2018. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 58 minutes ago, ALF said: I would be ok with a cheaper Fitz (just no long throws) , hope Peterman might start , sit a drafted QB . Depends on Vikings QBs also in free agency. I'm just ready to move on from Taylor, he might have a long career as a backup . As long as the drafted QB has good potential not worried about making the playoffs in 2018. Read the bolded in reverse order and look at how ridiculous that sounds? I think that we all want an upgrade but can you explain why you want a downgrade in the short-term? That couldn’t make less sense to me. There is no reason to intentionally get worse. You have to have a guy capable of playing and your rookie. It isn’t complicated. Edited February 25, 2018 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Read the bolder in reverse order and look at how ridiculous that sounds? I think that we all want an upgrade but can you explain why you want a downgrade in the short-term? That couldn’t make less sense to me. There is no reason to intentionally get worse. You have to have a guy capable of playing and your rookie. It isn’t complicated. You pointed out that replacing Taylor with Peterman sounds ridiculous. Well, not as much as you think. Against the Chargers in the second half of the season the coaching staff made the change from Taylor to Peterman. The coaching decision wasn't based on serendipity; it was based on how Taylor played in the previous games and how Peterman played in practice. That change certainly didn't work out in the Charger game but let's not make it out as if Tyrod played lights out was most responsible for leading this team to the playoffs. The best that can be said of his play is that he didn't lose games for us. Make no mistake what I'm saying here. I'm not blaming Taylor for all the struggles that this team has been subjected to. What I am saying and it is evident for everyone to see is that the organization is looking for a better option, even if it is a temporary option. Don't be so dismissive of those saying that Peterman may be a better option at qb than Taylor. The cap consideration may weigh in more than you think in this decision. You might be surprised at how what you believe is a logical and reasonable outcome at qb is not what the staff believes is a reasonable and logical outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 41 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Read the bolded in reverse order and look at how ridiculous that sounds? I think that we all want an upgrade but can you explain why you want a downgrade in the short-term? That couldn’t make less sense to me. There is no reason to intentionally get worse. You have to have a guy capable of playing and your rookie. It isn’t complicated. The Bills last playoff win was 30 Dec 1995 that's what ridiculous. A better draft position while rebuilding instead of 8 or 9 wins won't hurt long term at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, JohnC said: You pointed out that replacing Taylor with Peterman sounds ridiculous. Well, not as much as you think. Against the Chargers in the second half of the season the coaching staff made the change from Taylor to Peterman. The coaching decision wasn't based on serendipity; it was based on how Taylor played in the previous games and how Peterman played in practice. That change certainly didn't work out in the Charger game but let's not make it out as if Tyrod played lights out was most responsible for leading this team to the playoffs. The best that can be said of his play is that he didn't lose games for us. Make no mistake what I'm saying here. I'm not blaming Taylor for all the struggles that this team has been subjected to. What I am saying and it is evident for everyone to see is that the organization is looking for a better option, even if it is a temporary option. Don't be so dismissive of those saying that Peterman may be a better option at qb than Taylor. The cap consideration may weigh in more than you think in this decision. You might be surprised at how what you believe is a logical and reasonable outcome at qb is not what the staff believes is a reasonable and logical outcome. It is ridiculous at this point. No one thinks (including the Bills staff) that they would yield the same results (hence downgrade). If the Bills believed in Peterman they certainly wouldn’t be picking up Taylor’s option. If they can’t trade him he will be on the roster. The Bills are planning on drafting a QB. We all agree on that (at least I think). It is abundantly clear to me, that they are going to protect themselves while the rookie gets ready. They will have a viable starting option on the roster. It may be Tyrod, it may be Fitz, it may be McCown, it may be Bradford, etc... It absolutely 100% won’t be Peterman. I’d wager my 401K on that. 2 minutes ago, ALF said: The Bills last playoff win was 30 Dec 1995 that's what ridiculous. A better draft position while rebuilding instead of 8 or 9 wins won't hurt long term at this point. But they aren’t going to take a step back at this point. They don’t believe that to be a good strategy. They are full speed ahead at this point. It may take a couple of years to get there but they have no intention of more steps back. They have cleared the deck already. Edited February 25, 2018 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: It is ridiculous at this point. No one thinks (including the Bills staff) that they would yield the same results (hence downgrade). If the Bills believed in Peterman they certainly wouldn’t be picking up Taylor’s option. If they can’t trade him he will be on the roster. The Bills are planning on drafting a QB. We all agree on that (at least I think). It is abundantly clear to me, that they are going to protect themselves while the rookie gets ready. They will have a viable starting option on the roster. It may be Tyrod, it may be Fitz, it may be McCown, it may be Bradford, etc... It absolutely 100% won’t be Peterman. I’d wager my 401K on that. We do agree that the Bills will probably use a high draft pick on a qb in this draft. So on that issue we are in accord. That's not to say that there won't be a surprise free agent pickup (not Cousins) who might allow us to get a qb prospect in a lower round. As of yet the Bills haven't picked up Taylor's option. I'm not as sure as you are that they will so. I said it before and I will say it again: Peterman is more likely to be on the roster than Taylor. Don't assume that the Charger game was a disqualifying game for how Peterman is perceived by the staff. I strongly believe that the TT era is over with. You believe less so. We shall see. side note: http://gogriffs.com/watch/?Archive=3356&type=Archive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, JohnC said: We do agree that the Bills will probably use a high draft pick on a qb in this draft. So on that issue we are in accord. That's not to say that there won't be a surprise free agent pickup (not Cousins) who might allow us to get a qb prospect in a lower round. As of yet the Bills haven't picked up Taylor's option. I'm not as sure as you are that they will so. I said it before and I will say it again: Peterman is more likely to be on the roster than Taylor. Don't assume that the Charger game was a disqualifying game for how Peterman is perceived by the staff. I strongly believe that the TT era is over with. You believe less so. We shall see. side note: http://gogriffs.com/watch/?Archive=3356&type=Archive I will be watching this afternoon!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 35 minutes ago, JohnC said: You pointed out that replacing Taylor with Peterman sounds ridiculous. Well, not as much as you think. Against the Chargers in the second half of the season the coaching staff made the change from Taylor to Peterman. The coaching decision wasn't based on serendipity; it was based on how Taylor played in the previous games and how Peterman played in practice. That change certainly didn't work out in the Charger game but let's not make it out as if Tyrod played lights out was most responsible for leading this team to the playoffs. The best that can be said of his play is that he didn't lose games for us. Make no mistake what I'm saying here. I'm not blaming Taylor for all the struggles that this team has been subjected to. What I am saying and it is evident for everyone to see is that the organization is looking for a better option, even if it is a temporary option. Don't be so dismissive of those saying that Peterman may be a better option at qb than Taylor. The cap consideration may weigh in more than you think in this decision. You might be surprised at how what you believe is a logical and reasonable outcome at qb is not what the staff believes is a reasonable and logical outcome. In the second half of that game (which I attended), the coaching staff made the change back to Taylor. That wasn't serendipity either. It was based on Peterman's performance. When Taylor played that second half, against the same defense playing at the same intensity, the difference was remarkable. The Bills looked like two deferent teams. The Bills are not going to cut Taylor because they have Peterman on the roster. Peterman is not a viable starting QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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