keepthefaith Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Taro T said: Rep. Schiff wanted the probe to remain open ended. Couldn't have seen THAT coming. Who is still listening to Schiff? He's confirmed that there is no evidence of Trump or his campaign colluding with Russia to sway the election through that statement. If there was so much evidence as he has previously stated, then he would have stated that the majority party is shutting down the investigation and ignoring the evidence. Instead he only speaks about the unanswered and the unexplored. What a !@#$ing hack he is. Edited March 13, 2018 by keepthefaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 20 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: "We'll keep investigating until we prove our preconceived notions, dammit!" In his defense, it's the same **** Republicans pull...but it kind-of ruins any chance of the Democrats arguing they're taking the high road of have the country's interests at heart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 House Intel, that’s a clever oxymoron. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 Think he's trying to say something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 The Honorable Eric Holder objects....... Quote Eric Holder ✔@EricHolder Republican House Intell Comm shut down Russia probe before doing a complete job This is a coverup and a lasting stain on the reputation of what used to be a bipartisan Committee when it was run by Republican Rogers and Democrat Ruppersberger. Politics beat a desire for the truth 8:20 PM - Mar 12, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 So this real probe doesn't last anywhere near as long as the Benghazi probe? Cover up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: So this real probe doesn't last anywhere near as long as the Benghazi probe? Cover up What have you got for us today? Same as yesterday and the day before? Nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, keepthefaith said: What have you got for us today? Same as yesterday and the day before? Nothing? He was with the russians befors Trump, then he was against them. After finding out there was no collusion, I think he's confused on what side he should be on. That's such a strain on his feeble little mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: What have you got for us today? Same as yesterday and the day before? Nothing? So Putin murders people in the UK and you think he is too nice of a guy to interfere in our elections? Has Trump criticized Putin's murderous actions or is he still sticking too, "Hey, we do bad things too" What an a-hole Trump is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So Putin murders people in the UK and you think he is too nice of a guy to interfere in our elections? Has Trump criticized Putin's murderous actions or is he still sticking too, "Hey, we do bad things too" What an a-hole Trump is Do you know the difference between to, two and too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 A top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee distanced himself Tuesday from one of the panel's most explosive findings in its Russia investigation — that the FBI, CIA and NSA overplayed their hand when they declared Russia preferred a Donald Trump victory in the 2016 election. Rep. Trey Gowdy of South Carolina said that the evidence gathered by the committee clearly showed Russia's disdain for Trump's rival, Hillary Clinton, and was "motivated in whole or in part by a desire to harm her candidacy or undermine her Presidency had she prevailed." https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/13/gowdy-russia-undermine-clinton-republicans-461612 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 8:53 AM, 3rdnlng said: Do you know the difference between to, two and too? that's why he is on ignore, can't think, can't spell, can't type a post without a cuss-word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 ...............like everyone with a brain didn't know it was B.S. from the beginning. Golden shower? Trump dossier authors doubt their most explosive allegation by Byron York Original Article The most explosive allegations of the Trump-Russia affair are in the Trump dossier. And the most explosive allegation in the Trump dossier is the tale of Donald Trump, in a Moscow hotel room in 2013, allegedly watching as prostitutes performed a "golden showers" routine on a bed once occupied by former President Barack Obama as hidden cameras rolled. But now there is new reporting to suggest the dossier's creators had serious doubts about the veracity of the "golden showers" story from the very beginning. Despite those doubts, dossier author Christopher Steele included the "golden showers" account in his collection of anti-Trump intelligence, and the dubious charges set off a series of events that changed the course of the Trump-Russia investigation. Even amid the various allegations of Trump-Russia connections, it was the "golden showers" episode that most excited those involved in the Clinton campaign-funded effort to find Russian dirt on Trump. It was the story that most excited those in the Obama administration who learned about it. (According to a new book, former national security adviser Susan Rice urged Director of National Intelligence James Clapper to "tell Obama about the 'golden showers' allegation.") At the same time, it deeply disturbed Trump. And, of course, it excited the ranks of Trump resisters on Twitter and elsewhere who long for video evidence; just look up #peepeetape. {snip} Now, a new book, Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin's War on America and the Election of Donald Trump, by reporters Michael Isikoff and David Corn — both of whom were personally briefed by Steele as part of the Fusion GPS effort to publicize the dossier's allegations before the election — casts serious doubt on the truthfulness of the "golden showers" story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 didn't 4chan admit to making up this story? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, B-Man said: ...............like everyone with a brain didn't know it was B.S. from the beginning. Golden shower? Trump dossier authors doubt their most explosive allegation by Byron York Original Article Now, a new book, Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin's War on America and the Election of Donald Trump, by reporters Michael Isikoff and David Corn — both of whom were personally briefed by Steele as part of the Fusion GPS effort to publicize the dossier's allegations before the election — casts serious doubt on the truthfulness of the "golden showers" story. Ok, so the rest of it is correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, B-Man said: ...............like everyone with a brain didn't know it was B.S. from the beginning. Golden shower? Trump dossier authors doubt their most explosive allegation by Byron York Original Article The most explosive allegations of the Trump-Russia affair are in the Trump dossier. And the most explosive allegation in the Trump dossier is the tale of Donald Trump, in a Moscow hotel room in 2013, allegedly watching as prostitutes performed a "golden showers" routine on a bed once occupied by former President Barack Obama as hidden cameras rolled. But now there is new reporting to suggest the dossier's creators had serious doubts about the veracity of the "golden showers" story from the very beginning. Despite those doubts, dossier author Christopher Steele included the "golden showers" account in his collection of anti-Trump intelligence, and the dubious charges set off a series of events that changed the course of the Trump-Russia investigation. Even amid the various allegations of Trump-Russia connections, it was the "golden showers" episode that most excited those involved in the Clinton campaign-funded effort to find Russian dirt on Trump. It was the story that most excited those in the Obama administration who learned about it. (According to a new book, former national security adviser Susan Rice urged Director of National Intelligence James Clapper to "tell Obama about the 'golden showers' allegation.") At the same time, it deeply disturbed Trump. And, of course, it excited the ranks of Trump resisters on Twitter and elsewhere who long for video evidence; just look up #peepeetape. {snip} Now, a new book, Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin's War on America and the Election of Donald Trump, by reporters Michael Isikoff and David Corn — both of whom were personally briefed by Steele as part of the Fusion GPS effort to publicize the dossier's allegations before the election — casts serious doubt on the truthfulness of the "golden showers" story. But there's consensus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 18 minutes ago, B-Man said: ...............like everyone with a brain didn't know it was B.S. from the beginning. Golden shower? Trump dossier authors doubt their most explosive allegation by Byron York Original Article The most explosive allegations of the Trump-Russia affair are in the Trump dossier. And the most explosive allegation in the Trump dossier is the tale of Donald Trump, in a Moscow hotel room in 2013, allegedly watching as prostitutes performed a "golden showers" routine on a bed once occupied by former President Barack Obama as hidden cameras rolled. But now there is new reporting to suggest the dossier's creators had serious doubts about the veracity of the "golden showers" story from the very beginning. Despite those doubts, dossier author Christopher Steele included the "golden showers" account in his collection of anti-Trump intelligence, and the dubious charges set off a series of events that changed the course of the Trump-Russia investigation. Even amid the various allegations of Trump-Russia connections, it was the "golden showers" episode that most excited those involved in the Clinton campaign-funded effort to find Russian dirt on Trump. It was the story that most excited those in the Obama administration who learned about it. (According to a new book, former national security adviser Susan Rice urged Director of National Intelligence James Clapper to "tell Obama about the 'golden showers' allegation.") At the same time, it deeply disturbed Trump. And, of course, it excited the ranks of Trump resisters on Twitter and elsewhere who long for video evidence; just look up #peepeetape. {snip} Now, a new book, Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin's War on America and the Election of Donald Trump, by reporters Michael Isikoff and David Corn — both of whom were personally briefed by Steele as part of the Fusion GPS effort to publicize the dossier's allegations before the election — casts serious doubt on the truthfulness of the "golden showers" story. Let's recap the damning evidence a year plus out: * CLAIM: Trump won't sanction Russia --- REALITY: doubly false now, today's new sanctions plus the targeted ones in December hit Putin hard. * CLAIM: Tillerson was picked because he's a Putin stooge --- REALITY: he bucked against tearing up the Iran Deal and negotiating with KJU (which helps Putin), so he was fired. * CLAIM: Trump's foreign policy will help Russia --- REALITY: Actively seeking peace with DPRK, actively seeking to rip up the Iran deal, decimated Putin forces in Syria. * CLAIM: Piss tape is real and provides blackmail material --- REALITY: remains unverified, Steele doubts it happened, and Trump sanctioned the Oligarch allegedly in possession of the tapes in December and it never leaked. Why? It never existed. * CLAIM: Trump isn't doing anything to protect future elections from cyber attacks --- REALITY: https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/dod/cybercom/2018/02/28/cyber-command-granted-new-and-expanded-authorities/ Here's an honest question for those honest folks who have bought into this narrative since the beginning (K-9, 26, Logic, Bob et al)... literally all the talking points have been debunked, disproven, or shown to be inflated noise rather than there being actual fire beneath all the smoke. One committee already declared no-collusion. Mueller's year long probe has not indicted anyone for collusion (or anyone on team Trump for Russian connections during the campaign). When we get to the end of this (which I'm not saying we have reached yet) and there remains no proof of collusion and the reality of world events makes it clear the US is not carrying Putin's water - in fact they're being harder on Putin's ambitions for empire than the previous two POTUSes - will you continue to believe the same sources and news outlets who you've been following and believing for over a year now? Or will you hold them accountable? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Let's recap the damning evidence a year plus out: * CLAIM: Trump won't sanction Russia --- REALITY: doubly false now, today's new sanctions plus the targeted ones in December hit Putin hard. Yes, finally after having been pushed and pulled into doing so and only after Putin murdered another person * CLAIM: Tillerson was picked because he's a Putin stooge --- REALITY: he bucked against tearing up the Iran Deal and negotiating with KJU (which helps Putin), so he was fired. Sure, after literally gutting the state department, something Putin surely would approve of * and of blowing off our commitment to human rights around the globe * CLAIM: Trump's foreign policy will help Russia --- REALITY: Actively seeking peace with DPRK, actively seeking to rip up the Iran deal, decimated Putin forces in Syria. Right, Russian forces approached American forces and good for Trump not telling them to let Russians kill them. Not sure what the other things have to do with Putin * CLAIM: Piss tape is real and provides blackmail material --- REALITY: remains unverified, Steele doubts it happened, and Trump sanctioned the Oligarch allegedly in possession of the tapes in December and it never leaked. Why? It never existed. Sorry, this in no way means Trump can't be blackmailed. He still hasn't criticized Putin, even though he criticizes everyone else * CLAIM: Trump isn't doing anything to protect future elections from cyber attacks --- REALITY: https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/dod/cybercom/2018/02/28/cyber-command-granted-new-and-expanded-authorities/ The Marines? Seriously? You mean after he literally wanted to gather up every single voter registartion information bit and do who knows what with it. None of this exonerates Trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 47 minutes ago, row_33 said: didn't 4chan admit to making up this story? 4chan is like ISIS. They'll admit to giving you a hangnail if they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 29 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: 4chan is like ISIS. They'll admit to giving you a hangnail if they can. i believe it was a credible admission.... how could one expect that something like that would take over the minds of the media and DNC? i haven't heard 4chan try another claim to a hoax since then, haven't been looking for it either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: i believe it was a credible admission.... how could one expect that something like that would take over the minds of the media and DNC? i haven't heard 4chan try another claim to a hoax since then, haven't been looking for it either... They have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: They have. i think i can live without finding out what happened, thanks for the update though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 53 minutes ago, row_33 said: i think i can live without finding out what happened, thanks for the update though! If I get time and you remind me I'll update you on 4chan. It's full of pussies emulated by the worst trolls here. It's sad. Anonymous is dead, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 hours ago, B-Man said: ...............like everyone with a brain didn't know it was B.S. from the beginning. Golden shower? Trump dossier authors doubt their most explosive allegation by Byron York Original Article The most explosive allegations of the Trump-Russia affair are in the Trump dossier. And the most explosive allegation in the Trump dossier is the tale of Donald Trump, in a Moscow hotel room in 2013, allegedly watching as prostitutes performed a "golden showers" routine on a bed once occupied by former President Barack Obama as hidden cameras rolled. But now there is new reporting to suggest the dossier's creators had serious doubts about the veracity of the "golden showers" story from the very beginning. Despite those doubts, dossier author Christopher Steele included the "golden showers" account in his collection of anti-Trump intelligence, and the dubious charges set off a series of events that changed the course of the Trump-Russia investigation. Even amid the various allegations of Trump-Russia connections, it was the "golden showers" episode that most excited those involved in the Clinton campaign-funded effort to find Russian dirt on Trump. It was the story that most excited those in the Obama administration who learned about it. (According to a new book, former national security adviser Susan Rice urged Director of National Intelligence James Clapper to "tell Obama about the 'golden showers' allegation.") At the same time, it deeply disturbed Trump. And, of course, it excited the ranks of Trump resisters on Twitter and elsewhere who long for video evidence; just look up #peepeetape. {snip} Now, a new book, Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin's War on America and the Election of Donald Trump, by reporters Michael Isikoff and David Corn — both of whom were personally briefed by Steele as part of the Fusion GPS effort to publicize the dossier's allegations before the election — casts serious doubt on the truthfulness of the "golden showers" story. What! That's the only allegation I was hoping was true. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: None of this exonerates Trump What is is that Trump is guilty of doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: What is is that Trump is guilty of doing? Beating Hillary. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, keepthefaith said: What is is that Trump is guilty of doing? Obstruction of Justice Maybe collusion. It's currently being investigated by Mr Mueller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 25 minutes ago, garybusey said: Obstruction of Justice Maybe collusion. It's currently being investigated by Mr Mueller. And how has Trump obstructed Justice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 None dare call it Treason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: And how has Trump obstructed Justice? He plugged it with cheddar and cheetos. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Beating Hillary. Is that illegal? 'Cause I've got a bag of oranges right here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 Lots of distractions out there.... so many this slipped through the cracks: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-03-15 CEG LG JC TT to AG DAG (Special Counsel).pdf Remember, the groundwork for this has already been laid: (Session's interview with Bream) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Sack up Jeff. Sack up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 26 minutes ago, Nanker said: Sack up Jeff. Sack up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 Reposting this again because there's a lot here, including (for the first time) parts of the FISA application itself. https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-03-15 CEG LG JC TT to AG DAG (Special Counsel).pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Some.major liberals at a bar last night. Spoke to them a lot. They hate Trump. Say sessions is going to be fired, they know it. They just know. And they say tillerson was fired because Russia. And the best Korea is a smoke and mirrors game by the media etc Sooo mich Kool aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: About 10 hours to go for him to sack McCabe. I don't think he's going to do it. He's a softie and the DOJ bowels are grumbling. I think Sessions is gone if he doesn't fire McCabe OR doesn't appoint a second Special Counsel. Edited March 16, 2018 by Nanker Ex Post Cogito 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Cabinet is a dime a dozen, thousands can come in and run it. cheaper than RBs in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Nanker said: About 10 hours to go for him to sack McCabe. I don't think he's going to do it. He's a softie and the DOJ bowels are grumbling. I think Sessions is gone if he doesn't fire McCabe OR doesn't appoint a second Special Counsel. Speaking of... this was an interesting interview last night with Grassley and Graham: There are a couple things that jumped out at me, but the biggest came from Grassley near the end. Baier asked the senators about the chances of getting a second special counsel appointed. Grassley's answer jumped out: "I'm gonna use as much leverage as I can, and I think I have a lot, to get the job done." .... That's perhaps the most badass example of an understatement as I've ever heard... It's an understatement because we KNOW Grassley has loads of leverage at this point even without the additional ammunition of the forthcoming IG report. But the mention of leverage spurred a thought about McCabe's visit to the DOJ: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-official-andrew-mccabe-asks-justice-department-not-to-fire-him/2018/03/15/f3f220c0-2871-11e8-b79d-f3d931db7f68_story.html?utm_term=.abb29d789979 Was McCabe really there to ask the DOJ not to fire him? Or was leverage being deployed by Sessions? Without that pension it's going to be tough for McCabe to cover the legal fees which are coming whether or not he's fired. Perhaps Sessions wanted to remind Andy face-to-face just how expensive and painful the next several months are going to be for him, and how he can reduce some of that by cooperating more fully with what's to come... ... Just thinking out loud It's speculation - and we'll find out soon one way or the other. Either way though it's largely irrelevant. The evidence is overwhelming with or without McCabe's cooperation. Today is going to be really interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 Jordan slams Clapper. Worth watching the vid linked inside: http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/14/jim-jordan-james-clapper-leaking-confidential-info/?utm_source=site-share History's coming for you, Mr. Clapper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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