Bray Wyatt Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 if one of the guys we likes starts to get towards #10, i dont see any reason why we wouldnt trade one of the 1st and one of the 2nds to go up and get him it would still leave us with another first round and second round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Chuck Wagon said: Eli finished at 60% for his college career and was under 60% 2 of his 4 years. Vick was at 56%, I'd say he was successful in the NFL. Matt Ryan was under 60% for his college career. Tom Brady was at 61% for his career. Good stuff. I believe Carson Palmer missed the 60% mark as wel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 34 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Just heard them talking about that on the Billswire podcast in regards to Josh Allen. The number is staggeringly low. If you aren't accurate in college, you aren't going to be accurate in the pros. And this has been my argument against drafting Jackson since day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 If Rudolf is available at 21 I would certainly take him. I think he will probably be gone by then though. If Mayfield falls far enough that The Bills could move to get him without giving up both first rounders, that would be my preference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Highest passing percentages of all time in college: Colt Brennan, Colt McCoy, Kellen Moore, Graham Harrell. I think the 60% rule is a bit archaic, as are the Parcells rules. The game has changed so much to really follow these as guides in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offyourocker Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Watched a bunch of film on Rudolph and I pray they do not draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I voted Rudolph because I have been "researching" him lately and believe he could be developed into a pro style QB. I honestly have not looked into Jackson much because he appeared to be regressing early n the season and I stopped paying attention. I am curious though, I have seen a lot of Tyrod/Geno/Wilson comparisons for Jackson, but never Cam Newton. I thought his body type was closer to Cam than the others, is there any similarity to their styles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 If we're talking about round one it has to be Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Highest passing percentages of all time in college: Colt Brennan, Colt McCoy, Kellen Moore, Graham Harrell. I think the 60% rule is a bit archaic, as are the Parcells rules. The game has changed so much to really follow these as guides in my opinion. I just don't think you can use "rules" on QB prospects. If you follow the completion percentage bible and Parcells commandments then Luke Falk is destined for Canton. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zac Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I've watched enough of Jackson to come to the conclusion that if NFL coaches can't make him into a productive NFL QB, that's going to be more on the coaches than Jackson. Does he have some limitations, yes. But he can do things that no other NFL QB can. It's going to take a bit of creativity, which is something lacking in NFL circles. The #1 thing I love about Jackson is he almost never looks to run first. He ALWAYS keeps his eyes down field and he can throw on the run. He makes a bunch of plays every game that look Big Ben-esque to me. I think he's gone to the Cardinals before we pick anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 That's a hard pass. Rudolph looks like Bryce Petty with a worse arm and Jackson's learning curve will be extremely steep. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: That's a hard pass. Rudolph looks like Bryce Petty with a worse arm and Jackson's learning curve will be extremely steep. No. Jackson ran a pro style offence and was fully in command of it. He is better prepared to transition in that regard than a guy like Rudolph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I voted Rudolph because I have been "researching" him lately and believe he could be developed into a pro style QB. I honestly have not looked into Jackson much because he appeared to be regressing early n the season and I stopped paying attention. I am curious though, I have seen a lot of Tyrod/Geno/Wilson comparisons for Jackson, but never Cam Newton. I thought his body type was closer to Cam than the others, is there any similarity to their styles? Cam is a defensive end, TE body type. Jackson isn't that. He's more like Alex Smith body type. His lower body seem thicker than Robert Griffin but people will probably compare him to RG3 most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 32 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Understood difference between "Big Board" and "Mock" for CBS? How did this compare in previous years, any gouge? All of those were based on their published big boards rather than their mock drafts. Here's the QBs in the top 100 from Matt Miller's past boards, for comparison: 2018: 5 - Rosen, 7 - Darnold, 11 - Allen, 13 - Mayfield, 38 - Rudolph, 81 - Jackson, 88 - Litton 2017: 14 - Trubisky, 22 - Watson, 37 - Mahomes, 41 - Kizer, 64 - Webb, 81 - Peterman, 99 - Kaaya 2016: 5 - Goff, 9 - Wentz, 38 - Lynch, 100 - Hackenberg 2015: 1 - Winston, 11 - Mariota, 63 - Petty, 81 - Hundley 2014: 1 - Bridgewater, 12 - Manziel, 15 - Carr, 21 - Bortles, 46 - Mettenberger, 64 - Murray, 65 - Garoppolo, 82 McCarron 2013: 14 - Smith, 33 - Barkley, 49 - Nassib, 50 - Manuel, 76 - Wilson 2012: 1 - Luck, 2 - RG3, 44 - Cousins, 46 - Tannehill, 50 - Weeden, 68 - Osweiler 2011: 15 - Newton, 41 - Kaepernick, 48 - Gabbert, 66 - Taylor, 72 - Ponder So this is the first time in the last 8 years at least that there have been 4 QBs in the top 32, let alone the top 13. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, jrober38 said: That's a hard pass. Rudolph looks like Bryce Petty with a worse arm and Jackson's learning curve will be extremely steep. I agree with this, I dont want either of these guys 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, starrymessenger said: No. Jackson ran a pro style offence and was fully in command of it. He is better prepared to transition in that regard than a guy like Rudolph. I've watched a few games of his from 2017 and he's in shotgun 100% of the time and they primarily run the zone ready. That's not a "pro style offense". His running ability, which is never as effective in the NFL as it was in college for mobile QBs, will be limited and he'll be forced to beat teams with his arm. He has the tools to do so, but his learning curve is going to be steep. If we draft him I won't be upset (we can do a lot worse). I just don't think he has a great shot of becoming a long term starter in the NFL given his small size and reliance on his running ability. Seems like a guy who is more likely than not going to be banged up a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: I've watched a few games of his from 2017 and he's in shotgun 100% of the time and they primarily run the zone ready. That's not a "pro style offense". His running ability, which is never as effective in the NFL as it was in college for mobile QBs, will be limited and he'll be forced to beat teams with his arm. He has the tools to do so, but his learning curve is going to be steep. If we draft him I won't be upset (we can do a lot worse). I just don't think he has a great shot of becoming a long term starter in the NFL given his small size and reliance on his running ability. Seems like a guy who is more likely than not going to be banged up a lot. Honestly I don't think prostyle matters. I think the Bills will run a pistol/college style offense if they get Jackson. That offense Daboll ran with Bama would be a nice offense for Jackson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I dont understand the Rudolph love. He hassle horrendous accuracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DJB said: I dont understand the Rudolph love. He hassle horrendous accuracy He's big. He's not TT. Bills have scouted him 3 times, with Beane. He's not TT. He plays from the pocket. He's not black, I mean TT. He has a strong arm. Edited January 18, 2018 by CuddyDark 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: He's big. He's not TT. Bills have scouted him 3 times, with Beane. He's not TT. He plays from the pocket. He's not black, I mean TT. He has a strong arm. I thought his arm strength was a big question mark on rudolph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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