Kirby Jackson Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I didn’t see a topic on it and think that it is a huge need. The secondary is AMAZING imo. What they did with little pass rush was incredible. If they had a rush in front of them I believe that the turnovers would rise and it would provide some relief to the run defense. You need to get teams behind the markers some. With that being said what are your solutions to addressing it this offseason? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I'm going to sound like a lunatic here so I'll put on my flame suit and begin. I think McDermott plays a coverage defense. To say he plays a defense that doesn't need a great pass rush would sound stupid I imagine but it's true. Now that is out of the way I can say who wouldn't want a better pass rush? I think we missed Dareous and I think a good defensive tackle will help the pass rush more than a pass rushing end. We need someone who can penetrate and/or collapse the pocket and chase the QB's out to the DE's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Talked to my dad about this last night. Pass rush was non existent. I would love to get Ansah. Either way, it needs to be addressed in free agency or early in the draft (first 2 rounds). DT is a need too, but it looks like there is a lot free agent depth at DT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 To fix the pass rush we would almost have to dedicate our entire draft and FA to it. We would need to pick up that FA DT from Dallas and draft another DT,DE and OLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: I'm going to sound like a lunatic here so I'll put on my flame suit and begin. I think McDermott plays a coverage defense. To say he plays a defense that doesn't need a great pass rush would sound stupid I imagine but it's true. Now that is out of the way I can say who wouldn't want a better pass rush? I think we missed Dareous and I think a good defensive tackle will help the pass rush more than a pass rushing end. We need someone who can penetrate and/or collapse the pocket and chase the QB's out to the DE's. Hmm, I don't know about that. Carolina seemed to always put up very good sack numbers under McDermott. Not sure how, just great players? Did he blitz more with Carolina? again, I am not sure, but those teams got after the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginiaMike Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I agree -- The Bills need a D-Tackle and pass rushing D-End. I am not sure the Bills really missed Dareus as a player as he took too many plays off, but we missed someone who could do what he can do -- clog up the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I didn’t see a topic on it and think that it is a huge need. The secondary is AMAZING imo. What they did with little pass rush was incredible. If they had a rush in front of them I believe that the turnovers would rise and it would provide some relief to the run defense. You need to get teams behind the markers some. With that being said what are your solutions to addressing it this offseason? I think Lorax becomes primarily a 3rd down pass rusher and we will replace him on base defense with another SLB. I think we will draft at least one pure pass rusher in the draft. I think they go hard after Star L from Carolina to free up Washington/Williams (hopefully). I think at least one more Ryan Davis type of free agent signing. 8 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: I'm going to sound like a lunatic here so I'll put on my flame suit and begin. I think McDermott plays a coverage defense. To say he plays a defense that doesn't need a great pass rush would sound stupid I imagine but it's true. Now that is out of the way I can say who wouldn't want a better pass rush? I think we missed Dareous and I think a good defensive tackle will help the pass rush more than a pass rushing end. We need someone who can penetrate and/or collapse the pocket and chase the QB's out to the DE's. Any zone defense relies heavily on a strong pass rush. Carolina was consistently towards the top of the league in sacks when McDermott was there. He will want that here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Gotta get a DT to push the pocket. Taven Bryan DT Florida is by far the most disruptive DT in this draft. He’s not as strong against the run (enter Star Lotulelei) but we are talking pass rush. Dude is strong, super quick off the ball and can penetrate. Also look for Malik Reed Nevada DE in the later rounds. DTs- K Williams, Lotulelei, Bryan, Washington. DEs- Hughes, Lawson, Yarbrough, Reed (also Lorax) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said: Hmm, I don't know about that. Carolina seemed to always put up very good sack numbers under McDermott. Not sure how, just great players? Did he blitz more with Carolina? again, I am not sure, but those teams got after the QB. Not sure he really blitzed more. I think great coverage by linebackers helped those guys get to the quarterback. I also think dominate tackles helped to bring pressure up the middle. I'd probably go after Kony Ealy and draft a guy like Sam Hubbard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 FA DT - someone like Star Lotulelei or Bennie Logan Draft DT early: Vita Vea, Taven Bryan, Da'ron Payne, or Harrison Phillips Draft EDGE Day 2 or early Day 3: Duke Ejiofor, Clelin Ferrell, Austin Bryant, Rasheem Green, Chad Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think Lorax becomes primarily a 3rd down pass rusher and we will replace him on base defense with another SLB. I think we will draft at least one pure pass rusher in the draft. I think they go hard after Star L from Carolina to free up Washington/Williams (hopefully). I think at least one more Ryan Davis type of free agent signing. Any zone defense relies heavily on a strong pass rush. Carolina was consistently towards the top of the league in sacks when McDermott was there. He will want that here. Star L seems like more of your average run stuffer with very little pass rushing skills. I would definitely not over pay for Star L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Second biggest need on the team after Quarterback for me. If I am able to stand pat at 21 and get my QB then I am taking a D-lineman with 22. Either an interior penetrating DT or a defensive end who is a pass rusher first and foremost. I'm willing to take a guy who might still need some work on lane discipline in the run game in order to get extra pressure on QBs. With another 3 or 4 pressures a game (that is all we are talking) this defense goes from situationally good to genuinely top 10 calibre because those extra 3 or 4 incompletions get teams off the field and force more turnovers and short field. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Star L seems like more of your average run stuffer with very little pass rushing skills. I would definitely not over pay for Star L. He is but he frees up the other DT. I don't know Carolina very well but apparently Short's production is helped a lot by Star. http://www.carolinahuddle.com/2017/08/28/carolina-panthers-star-lotulelei/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Marcus Davenport & Harrison Phillips. Davenport is 6’7” 265, And is seen as a major riser among draft experts. Could be taken with one of our 1st round picks, or possibly a 2nd round pick. He fits what McDermott is looking for physically as well, Big, Long, lean, and mobile. Phillips is an underrated pass rusher. At Stanford this year he had over 90 tackles, 14.5 for a loss, and 7.5 sacks. His junior season he had 46 tackles, 10 for a loss, and 7 sacks. I feel like he’s the type of player that will fall because his measurables won’t meet his production, but he’s the type of guy I could see fitting in very well in a McDermott system. He could likely be had with one of our 2nd round picks or even our 3rd rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 It is paramount. We desperately not only need 2 more good DT's but we also need a top end Pass rusher on the other side of Hughes. If we could add another good pass rusher the defense dramatically improves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: He is but he frees up the other DT. I don't know Carolina very well but apparently Short's production is helped a lot by Star. http://www.carolinahuddle.com/2017/08/28/carolina-panthers-star-lotulelei/ Short is a superstar. He would produce next to a waste paper basket. One of the most underrated players in the league. I'd like Star but there is a ceiling for a player of his type $$s wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I'd like to get S. Richardson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Starr Almighty said: I'd like to get S. Richardson I don't think there is any way this regime considers him. Good player though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Short is a superstar. He would produce next to a waste paper basket. One of the most underrated players in the league. I'd like Star but there is a ceiling for a player of his type $$s wise. Short got a 5 year/$80 million I believe? He's a disruptor and a star (no pun intended). I would say Star would have a salary nearly cut in half? 5 year/$40 million? Just a pure guess....I haven't looked up contracts with similar DT's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 40 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: I'm going to sound like a lunatic here so I'll put on my flame suit and begin. I think McDermott plays a coverage defense. To say he plays a defense that doesn't need a great pass rush would sound stupid I imagine but it's true. Now that is out of the way I can say who wouldn't want a better pass rush? I think we missed Dareous and I think a good defensive tackle will help the pass rush more than a pass rushing end. We need someone who can penetrate and/or collapse the pocket and chase the QB's out to the DE's. I don't believe that to be entirely true. When he was DC in Carolina they got after the QB like crazy. They also had Luke Kuechly, Thomas Davis, etc... He was also fortunate enough to have Josh Norman. I look at it like this.... He and Frazier did a HELL of a job getting this secondary to cover for the D-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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