Foxx Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 On 1/7/2018 at 4:48 PM, TigerJ said: ... Buffalo needs to get a veteran QB if they can, and draft one too. If they can trade Tyrod, great. I don't know if Peterman will develop or not. Right now it looks to me as if he doesn't respect the skills of NFL defensive backs enough, and tries to throw into windows that are too small sometimes. I think that can probagbly be corrected with coaching, but I don't know. we have extremes with both players. the former being too afraid to throw into tight windows. the latter not afraid to throw into too tight windows. being the former is a 7 year vet, he will not change. the latter is a rook so the possibility that he may learn and adapt is still present. as you say, hopefully we can trade Tyrod in some capacity, hell even a 6th rounder is preferable to just outright releasing him. i would be all for signing a descent vet such as Smith which should be able to be had for a 2nd and maybe less if we trade multiple picks. then i would use one of our 1st's to draft a qb as long as whoever is there is thought to have potential at the pro-level. i would even trade up a few spots to get a guy we wanted as long as we didn't have to trade to far up which would thereby cost us more in draft stock than i would prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: So Glenn will fully recover from the injury, be happy with being moved to RT, and successfully make that transition? Or he could do all that? I'm willing to part with a guy who has a considerable injury history and would be vastly overpaid to play RT. Where are you getting $60 million in cap space? I've only seen a little over $30 million. (https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills/) - $32,578,305 (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/) - $31,336,937 They don't need to get rid of Glenn, but they do need a QB, HB2, DTs, LBs, and possibly a WR, OG, DE, and CB. Well, I do think Glenn is likely to recover, but let me summarize it this way: I think that the likelihood of Glenn recovering and being fine playing RT for LT money is far greater than the team getting good trade value for Glenn and subsequently finding his replacement in an inexpensive player. As for $60M, Spotrac currently says $30M, but that's assuming that the cap doesn't increase from 2017. It most certainly will, to a likely $175M+, so without any movement you're at $40M. Tyrod's release puts them at $50M, and I'm assuming guys like Ducasse and Hughes will be gone. So maybe $60M is a slight exaggeration, but only slight. Of course, if they part ways with either Richie or Mills, then they could actually have more than $60M in space with Glenn on the roster. Edited January 20, 2018 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileena Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 On 1/7/2018 at 1:48 PM, NewDayBills said: I'd take Mason Rudolph with the 1st pick, with the other 1st I'd trade down and pick up an extra 2nd and 3rd, then I'd send Kansas City one of our 2nds for Alex Smith that's contingent on a contract extension being signed, something like 4 years 72 million for Smith, sit Rudolph on the bench until Smith retires. 1.) Mason Rudolph 1.) Trade 2.) To KC for Alex Smith 2.) Extra pick 2.) Extra pick 3.) Extra pick 3.) Extra pick I have not read all the posts, so I trust others have flamed you. It will only take a 2nd to get Smith. No way any team offers a 1st, even if desperate for a QB. KC has no choice. Take the 2nd or let him walk in a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) Best case scenario #21- Roqun Smith MLB #22- Vita Vea DT 2nd rd #53 - Christian Kirk WR #56- Sony Michel RB Also make a couple trades or signing before draft. Trade for Alex Smith or sign Cousins for QB. I hear Robert Quinn might be cut i say trade a late pk for him. Edited January 20, 2018 by NastyNateSoldiers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: Best case scenario #21- Roqun Smith MLB #22- Vita Vea DT 2nd rd #53 - Christian Kirk WR #56- Sony Michel RB Also make a couple trades or signing before draft. Trade for Alex Smith or sign Cousins for QB. I hear Robert Quinn might be cut i say trade a late pk for him. Not sure why people think Roquan Smith will be around at 21. He won't; unless there are red flags all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 He can be there if not take Rashaan Evans from Bama instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 4 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Who is this other tackle that is not only solid, but both inexpensive and a guarantee to come here? Because Glenn is young, very good, and under contract for multiple seasons We're talking about a bird in the hand here ...agree....what's the rush if he comes back healthy post surgery?......is it that critical if you switch him to the right side and he's > average RT pay?......isn't the left side cheaper with Dawkins so that LT/RT expenditure balances out?.....maybe you get a couple of extra years without him having to be on the blind side............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Whoever the Bills end up taking i hope its best player available. Not best need available. Teams that draft the best take the best players. Teams that draft for need usually end up needing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, mileena said: I have not read all the posts, so I trust others have flamed you. It will only take a 2nd to get Smith. No way any team offers a 1st, even if desperate for a QB. KC has no choice. Take the 2nd or let him walk in a year. Where did I say we should give a 1st for Smith? I said draft Mason Rudolph with #1. Take the other #1 and TRADE DOWN. Then we would have 3 #2s and 2 #3s. Send one of the three 2nds for Alex Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) #21 - Rashaan Evans - LB #22 - Mike McGlinchey - OT Bills then trade: 2nd round pick (#53) and 3rd round pick (#95) to Eagles or Minnesota for their first round pick #29. #29 - Lamar Jackson - QB Edited January 20, 2018 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 4 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Well, I do think Glenn is likely to recover, but let me summarize it this way: I think that the likelihood of Glenn recovering and being fine playing RT for LT money is far greater than the team getting good trade value for Glenn and subsequently finding his replacement in an inexpensive player. As for $60M, Spotrac currently says $30M, but that's assuming that the cap doesn't increase from 2017. It most certainly will, to a likely $175M+, so without any movement you're at $40M. Tyrod's release puts them at $50M, and I'm assuming guys like Ducasse and Hughes will be gone. So maybe $60M is a slight exaggeration, but only slight. Of course, if they part ways with either Richie or Mills, then they could actually have more than $60M in space with Glenn on the roster. I guess I just think between FA and draft, we could find a RT for cheaper than $14 million. Sign Chris Hubbard from PIT - http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/01/2017-postseason-bye-evaluation-break-ol-chris-hubbard/ - http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/01/chris-hubbard-saved-ol-yet-sunday-loss/ - http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/13133264-74/chris-hubbard-plays-fourth-position-of-the-season-for-steelers-on-sunday - https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/chris-hubbard/8051 Sign Austin Pasztor from ATL - http://www.atlantafalcons.com/news/blog/article-1/Falcons-sign-former-Cleveland-Browns-tackle-Austin-Pasztor-waive-OL-Marquis-Lucas/735e679c-ce60-403a-b56b-96cddc87587d - https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Bolt/What-is-the-free-agency-value-of-Austin-Pasztor-51408705 - https://247sports.com/nfl/denver-broncos/Bolt/Bleacher-Report-says-Broncos-should-sign-OL-Austin-Pasztor-52057041 - https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/2/12/14593472/cleveland-browns-free-agent-review-ol-austin-pasztor Sign Cornelius Lucas from LAR, like I mentioned. - https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2017/03/09/cornelius-lucas-restricted-free-agent/98947678/ - http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2017/03/09/lions-tender-restricted-free-agent-cornelius-lucas/98948480/ All for less than $14 million. Draft Toby Weathersby from LSU, Jamarco Jones from Ohio State, or Bentley Spain from North Carolina Draft Brandon Parker from North Carolina A&T - http://walterfootball.com/draft2018OT.php - http://www.ncataggies.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=24500&ATCLID=211691805 Draft Austin Corbett from Nevada, like I mentioned - http://walterfootball.com/draft2018OT.php -https://www.bigblueview.com/2018/1/18/16907028/mel-kiper-giants-have-several-mid-to-late-round-options-to-help-offensive-line http://www.rgj.com/story/sports/college/nevada/2017/11/29/malik-reed-austin-corbett-lead-wolf-packs-four-all-mountain-west-honorees/905772001/ Tell me there aren't options cheaper than Glenn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: I guess I just think between FA and draft, we could find a RT for cheaper than $14 million. Sign Chris Hubbard from PIT - http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/01/2017-postseason-bye-evaluation-break-ol-chris-hubbard/ - http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/01/chris-hubbard-saved-ol-yet-sunday-loss/ - http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/13133264-74/chris-hubbard-plays-fourth-position-of-the-season-for-steelers-on-sunday - https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/chris-hubbard/8051 Sign Austin Pasztor from ATL - http://www.atlantafalcons.com/news/blog/article-1/Falcons-sign-former-Cleveland-Browns-tackle-Austin-Pasztor-waive-OL-Marquis-Lucas/735e679c-ce60-403a-b56b-96cddc87587d - https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Bolt/What-is-the-free-agency-value-of-Austin-Pasztor-51408705 - https://247sports.com/nfl/denver-broncos/Bolt/Bleacher-Report-says-Broncos-should-sign-OL-Austin-Pasztor-52057041 - https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/2/12/14593472/cleveland-browns-free-agent-review-ol-austin-pasztor Sign Cornelius Lucas from LAR, like I mentioned. - https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2017/03/09/cornelius-lucas-restricted-free-agent/98947678/ - http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2017/03/09/lions-tender-restricted-free-agent-cornelius-lucas/98948480/ All for less than $14 million. Draft Toby Weathersby from LSU, Jamarco Jones from Ohio State, or Bentley Spain from North Carolina Draft Brandon Parker from North Carolina A&T - http://walterfootball.com/draft2018OT.php - http://www.ncataggies.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=24500&ATCLID=211691805 Draft Austin Corbett from Nevada, like I mentioned - http://walterfootball.com/draft2018OT.php -https://www.bigblueview.com/2018/1/18/16907028/mel-kiper-giants-have-several-mid-to-late-round-options-to-help-offensive-line http://www.rgj.com/story/sports/college/nevada/2017/11/29/malik-reed-austin-corbett-lead-wolf-packs-four-all-mountain-west-honorees/905772001/ Tell me there aren't options cheaper than Glenn. I'm. Not. Looking. For. Cheaper. I have said repeatedly that I am more interested in having the best pair of tackles that I can have, because cap space is not a concern for this team. "We might be able to do almost as well for less money" isn't a good reason to get rid of Glenn for what's almost certain to be a below-market return. And although I've said that Hubbard would be a decent FA option (at guard; he's better suited inside IMO), he's not in Glenn's ballpark as a player. I think I've said my piece on this one. Enjoy the games today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I'm. Not. Looking. For. Cheaper. I have said repeatedly that I am more interested in having the best pair of tackles that I can have, because cap space is not a concern for this team. "We might be able to do almost as well for less money" isn't a good reason to get rid of Glenn for what's almost certain to be a below-market return. And although I've said that Hubbard would be a decent FA option (at guard; he's better suited inside IMO), he's not in Glenn's ballpark as a player. I think I've said my piece on this one. Enjoy the games today! We just disagree then. I see cap space as very important for a team with questions at pretty much every position, especially if we end up having to package a lot of our extra picks to move up for a QB, which I think could happen and would keep us from filling more roster holes. I'd rather have an average RT for average RT starting money ($5-7 million), probably get a pick for Glenn, and save that extra $7-9 million for another starter or few depth players. Alternatively, a starting RT may be found in round 3 or 4. You are as certain that the OT we could bring in would be "below-market return" as I am that Glenn's injuries will continue to prevent him from playing - we both don't know. Glenn would be below market return if he was not clearly the best RT in the NFL and healthy all year because no starting RT is making more than an average of $8 million per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 minute ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: We just disagree then. I see cap space as very important for a team with questions at pretty much every position, especially if we end up having to package a lot of our extra picks to move up for a QB, which I think could happen and would keep us from filling more roster holes. I'd rather have an average RT for average RT starting money ($5-7 million), probably get a pick for Glenn, and save that extra $7-9 million for another starter or few depth players. Alternatively, a starting RT may be found in round 3 or 4. You are as certain that the OT we could bring in would be "below-market return" as I am that Glenn's injuries will continue to prevent him from playing - we both don't know. Glenn would be below market return if he was not clearly the best RT in the NFL and healthy all year because no starting RT is making more than an average of $8 million per year. Well, the only thing I can add here is that there are indeed RTs making more than $8M AAV. According to Spotrac, Lane Johnson is getting $11.25M and Ricky Wagner $9.5M. Also, there's some duality in that final thought: if you feel confident that Glenn won't heal, how can you expect to get a market-level return? Anyway, we're likely to just keep going round and round on this, so in the interest of not thread jacking any worse than I already have I'll bow out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Well, the only thing I can add here is that there are indeed RTs making more than $8M AAV. According to Spotrac, Lane Johnson is getting $11.25M and Ricky Wagner $9.5M. Also, there's some duality in that final thought: if you feel confident that Glenn won't heal, how can you expect to get a market-level return? Anyway, we're likely to just keep going round and round on this, so in the interest of not thread jacking any worse than I already have I'll bow out Apologies, I had scrolled down and cut off Johnson and Wagner. Still, you'd need Glenn to play as the best RT in the league by a margin of $2.75 million to be worth it. I'm not saying I'm confident that Glenn won't heal. I'm saying that both the return of a mid-round or FA OT (both cheaper by far) and Glenn's injury are tough to predict. Still, if Glenn ends up continuing to miss games, then paying him $14 million is going to bad for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 My very early guess- Mason Rudolph and Okoronkwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 How about Glenn comes back nice and healthy, Dawkins slides over to RT where he was drafted for (with a full off-season of training in that spot), and we have a nice solid tandem of tackles to protect whoever is our QB for a few years? That is what I'm hoping for personally..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 On 1/7/2018 at 6:38 PM, Reed83HOF said: Lots of people still want to build a team and basically ignore QB, that has worked so well in the past... Taking the best QB at your available spot generally = JP Losman 4th best QB talent... didn't they actually trade up for losman? seems like they missed out on an earlier trade for roethlisburger and ended up jumping back into the first for jp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, swnybillsfan said: didn't they actually trade up for losman? seems like they missed out on an earlier trade for roethlisburger and ended up jumping back into the first for jp. Yes they did actually trade up and that cost us Rodgers the next season; they also were not able to complete a trade to move in front of Pitts for Ben At the end of the day we moved up for the 4th best QB in the draft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 hour ago, ILoveEndingTheSeasonInNov said: How about Glenn comes back nice and healthy, Dawkins slides over to RT where he was drafted for (with a full off-season of training in that spot), and we have a nice solid tandem of tackles to protect whoever is our QB for a few years? That is what I'm hoping for personally..... ?✅ me Too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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