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I'm just going to put everything I can out there and go all-in on this. I'm sure I'll get the "you've got too much time on your hands" comments, or "you're a hater" responses, but this is just info that backs everything we've seen, and I wanted it all in one place for future reference.

 

Bills Passing Offenses Under Tyrod Taylor

2015 - 28th (12th overall) https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2015/index.htm

2016 - 30th (11th overall) https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/index.htm

2017 - 32nd (23rd overall) https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/index.htm

4th Quarter Comebacks Under Tyrod Taylor

Tied for 231st (dead last) out of all QB's since 1960 with a total of 3.

Tied with greats like JP Losman,  Kelly Holcomb, & Jamarcus Russell, and behind other greats like Blaine Gabbert, Rob Johnson, Trent Edwards, & Tim Tebow.

Want to know some players who already have him beat that haven't even played as long?
Teddy Bridgewater - 4, Brock Osweiler - 4, Dak Prescott - 5, Marcus Mariota - 7, Kirk Cousins - 8, and Derek Carr - 13.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm

Record when down by even a single point at any time in the 4th Quarter:
 

3-20 all time.

 

2015:

1. Loss to Patriots 32-40

2. Loss to Giants 10-24

3. Win vs Titans 14-13

4. Loss to Patriots 13-20

5. Loss to Chiefs 22-30

6. Loss to Eagles 20-23

7. Loss to Redskins 25-35

2016:

8. Loss to Ravens 7-13

9. Loss to Jets 31-37

10. Loss to Dolphins 25-28

11. Loss to Patriots 25-41

12. Loss to Seahawks 25-31

13. Win vs Jaguars 28-21

14. Loss to Raiders 24-38

15. Loss to Steelers 20-27

16. Loss to Dolphins 31-34

2017:

17. Loss to Panthers 3-9

18. Loss to Bengals 16-20

19. Win vs Buccaneers 30-27

20. Loss to Jets 21-34

21. Loss to Saints 10-47

22. Loss to Patriots 3-23

23. Loss to Patriots 16-37

 

Other Fun Info:

-Took until week 12 against the Chiefs to lead a 1st Quarter TD drive.

-Leads an offense ranked 31st overall in 1st downs.

-Want to know why we kick FG's on 4th down or punt on 4th & short? We're 2 & 13 overall on 4th down this year. http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/downs

-We have the 2nd most 3 & outs in the league with 31 (only behind Indianapolis with 32).

-Therefore we have the 2nd most punts with 30 (only behind NY Giants with 31).

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestatsdef

 

-Tyrod is ranked 33rd (out of 35) in passing yards per game with 178. Only Tom Savage & Brett Hundley have fewer. http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/passingYardsPerGame

-"Oh but he's got a great completion percentage!" - He's ranked 18th overall. Not impressive at all.

-"But what about his passer rating?!" - It's 19th overall. Still below average.

-Passing TD's he's ranked 25th overall with 13 on the year.

Record against the Patriots:

-1-5, with his 1 win coming against the 3rd string rookie Jacoby Brissett in 2016. He threw for a whopping 1 TD in that game, with us winning 16-0. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaylTy00/gamelog/?opp_id=nwe
 

-In games against Brady-lead Patriots teams, he has 3 passing TDs, all in his first game. In the other 4, he has thrown 0.

His numbers in those games:


Game 1: 242 yards, 3 TD's, 3 INT's 76.7% completion

Game 2: 233 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, 55.6% completion

Game 3: 183 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, 50% completion

Game 4: 65 yards, 0 TD's, 1 INT's, 50% completion

Game 5: 281 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, 55% completion
 

Addressing Common Claims:

-"Passing yards don't matter! Who cares if he doesn't throw for 300 yards!"

*Problem...The successful teams have successful passing attacks. Leaders in the league are Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Matthew Stafford, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Alex Smith, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins, Jared Goff, Matt Ryan, Case Keenum, Carson Wentz, Blake Bortles.

Nearly all of those teams are either in the playoffs, or in contention.


-In 3 seasons as a starter, he has ONE career 300 yard game, and that was because the game went into OT, allowing him the extra yards to crack 300.

-"But Big-D, we're a run-first offense so he doesn't get as many attempts!"
 

*Problem...his attempts are low due to his execution on the field. When you lead the league in 3 & outs, where are you? Not on the field. If they moved the ball, he'd have more attempts by virtue of simply being out there still playing!

**Even so, he is 27th in yards per attempt with 6.52... Give him 5 extra attempts (which would be more than half the league on average), and he'd only have 32.6 extra yards (assuming he completed every pass).

-"It's the offensive coordinator! The playcalling sucks!"

*Problem...We've had 3 offensive coordinators in 3 years, and they all try their damndest to get something out of the passing game with TT. The passing game regresses each year, but at times they manage to compensate with the run game. However, teams more & more commit to stopping the run & forcing Tyrod to play QB, which has become an effective strategy. Coaches that say "we are a run-first team that wants to pound the ball & play tough defense," do so because they have no other choice.

**If a team has a competent QB, they don't have to declare anything like that. They can like to run the ball, but still pass just as often, if not more. Teams without QB's have no other choice but to try & pound the ball. You're not going to gameplan for some crazy passing attack with a QB who can't throw the ball...you try to run, and mix in short passes, play action, screens, & take a couple shots. That's it. There's no other option. Blaming every single OC who comes through town as the reason playcalling sucks, as if it's that simple, is an exercise in futility. They are working with a gimped playbook, and handicapped by the QB behind center. If the QB has shown to be unable to execute, you can only do so much.

***A simple playbook can help streamline things against certain weaker teams, but when facing top-tier coaches & talent, you run into a wall. You can question them as much as you want, but you won't know what they really want to do (or can do) until you have a QB capable of executing on the field.


More Fun Facts!

-Tyrod ranks 19th in total QBR out of 32 players...so "below average."
-Tyrod's BEST game of the season is ranked 41st out of all games played (Week 15 against Miami) out of 50. http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/type/player-game
-Above him are Jacoby Brissett, Josh McCown, C.J. Beathard, Dak Prescott, Case Keenum, Brock Osweiller, Sam Bradford, Jimmy Garoppolo, DeShaun Watson, Kirk Cousins & all the other usual suspects.

-Leader in receptions on our team: LeSean McCoy with 57. Next, Charles Clay with 43. Then comes the dropoff, Zay Jones & Jordan Matthews tied with 25 a piece. Next we have Nick O'leary with 21, tied with Deonte Thompson at 21. WR's don't get much action under TT.

-In terms of receiving yards, it's Charles Clay with 457 followed by LeSean McCoy at 350. Don't forget, Clay missed a couple games due to injuries as well, yet he still tops all actual WRs.

-Tyrod had a couple good passes to WR's today, but overall he doesn't throw their way often. He sees his outlet pass or last read as the first option and dumps off to the RB & TE, even on 3rd & long. He rarely hits receivers in stride, or won't throw to them at all unless they're wide open on all sides of the ball. He doesn't "throw guys open" nor does he audible out of plays at the line he knows are bad. He throws to the short route even though men downfield are open, and he frequently doesn't see open men at all. On top of that, how many times does he throw into the dirt to wide open receivers? All. The. Time.

-Does he hold on to the ball too long? Yes.
 Tyrod's "Time to Throw" is at 3.0 seconds, 3rd highest in the league. Only above him are DeShaun Watson & Russell Wilson.
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-time-to-throw

-Also, in terms of where he throws the ball, he throws half a yard short of the sticks on average, good for 22nd in the league.

-To further highlight this point, there is a metric called "Aggressiveness/AGG%" where Tyrod is ranked 32nd. Aggressiveness rating is defined as "the amount of passing attempts a QB makes that are into tight coverage, where there is a defender within 1 yard or less of the receiver at the time of completion or incompletion. AGG is shown as a % of attempts into tight windows over all passing attempts."


So in summation/TL;DR - Tyrod isn't good. Also, just to make sure people take this seriously, I have a source inside OBD that told me Tyrod is bad, and the Bills don't want him as QB. There, now it's official.

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i don't understand how anyone can support him at this point 

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32 minutes ago, Jackington said:

Best record as Bills QB in about 20 years

14 minutes ago, KelsaysLunchbox said:

So does this mean he's good or is it more a reflection on how poorly the QB position has been manned in about 20 years?

 

It means Tyrod has played his whole time in Buffalo with the best Bills RB since Thurman.

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Tyrod is the best not good enough we have had in a long time. Maybe some day we will have a good enough but for now we should enjoy the snow getting kicked in our faces because Tyrod is the best we have had at not being good enough so we should be supportive. SMH

 

OBD For the love of the Bills go big on QB next year and dump the not good enough Tyrod, the fans deserve better then Rex's choice at starter.

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2 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

the fans deserve better then Rex's choice at starter.

 

Well that really says it all.  Rex is infamous for his inability to identify a QB.  We are stuck with QB guru Rex Ryan's choice b/c he beat out Matt Cassel (at the end of his career) and EJ Manuel, and the staff didn't like their options this year to go QB before round 5.

 

 

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34 minutes ago, Air it out Fitzy said:

Transplant and Badol will pick this apart soon.  ????

 

Build around Taylor ????‍♂️??‍♂️

 

 

We are so smart when it comes to getting rid of players, but they all seem to do better once they get away from Buffalo? Why is that? I suspect it will be the same with Taylor.

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