PolishDave Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Yes, someone did Ok. That's crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 43 minutes ago, joesixpack said: You literally can NOT compare the three. Today was something completely outside the norm of an NFL game. Shh some people evidently didnt watch the tropical october game with our number one qb in, our unhurt number one wr the hole game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 3 hours ago, familykwi said: Saying it was the right call does not make it so. Can you justify your position other than to say "it worked since we won"? I can justify why this was a poor choice: 1) Field conditions make punting risky 2) Last Indy offensive possession demonstrated our defense was tiring 3) We will execute a short punt to pin them inside the 10. IF they punt, they will get a full kick thus giving us a longer field with less time. 4) If he believes his team will win, he believes they can earn one yard, not put them on a field needing probably 30, or more to even get into field goal range. If McD expects his players to trust the process, that requires him to trust in them too. Any success we have will not be solely his doing. He needs to create a culture where he puts faith in his men and shows that he expects them to convert in situations like that. Today I found that punt choice rather arrogant on his part. Instead of letting them win, it highlights HIS choice (good, or bad). The risk of losing the team by almost literally punting away the season, is not undone by a miracle catch by Thompson and a great finishing run by McCoy. There is NO WAY McDermott had those plays in the back of his mind when he chose to punt. I'm not saying he cannot make this team successful, but he needs to be careful not to sabotage himself by trying to prove how smart he is. I hate the punt, but this is not right. Punting was fine all day - no one had punting issue - whereas the Bills had already failed on 4th down twice in the game. It had been nearly 30 minutes since the last colts drive - so the tiring of the D was irrelevant. We punted and lost only a little distance - mostly caused by the 1st down as the two punts netted the Bills nearly 10 yards. If he believes his team can win - he believes his defense can make a stop and he can get the ball back and go for the win. If they do not get the first down - Indy has it near midfield and there is no way the Bills could win from there. Even if they get a stop - the colts punt and the Bills have 1:00 and 80+ yards Now those are to counter your points and I get it, but I do agree - with the playoff position and the need to win - I would of preferred to see them go for it, but choosing to punt puts faith in the side of the ball that has been better all year. It is similar to the Rex punt against the Dolphins- except the Bills strength had been offense and he choose to go with the weaker side of the team and lost. McDermont choose to have faith in the stronger side of his team and was rewarded with a stop and the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: I hate the punt, but this is not right. Punting was fine all day - no one had punting issue - whereas the Bills had already failed on 4th down twice in the game. It had been nearly 30 minutes since the last colts drive - so the tiring of the D was irrelevant. We punted and lost only a little distance - mostly caused by the 1st down as the two punts netted the Bills nearly 10 yards. If he believes his team can win - he believes his defense can make a stop and he can get the ball back and go for the win. If they do not get the first down - Indy has it near midfield and there is no way the Bills could win from there. Even if they get a stop - the colts punt and the Bills have 1:00 and 80+ yards Now those are to counter your points and I get it, but I do agree - with the playoff position and the need to win - I would of preferred to see them go for it, but choosing to punt puts faith in the side of the ball that has been better all year. It is similar to the Rex punt against the Dolphins- except the Bills strength had been offense and he choose to go with the weaker side of the team and lost. McDermont choose to have faith in the stronger side of his team and was rewarded with a stop and the win. My question remains in this game these conditions you have More faith in a stop by punting over getting the ball back if you are stopped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, MAJBobby said: My question remains in this game these conditions you have More faith in a stop by punting over getting the ball back if you are stopped? For me and with the Bills position relative to the playoffs - I would of loved to see him go for it, but I get the call to punt. He is going to be a conservative coach - we have seen that and it should be no surprise. Sometimes it it will work and sometimes it will fail - just like an aggressive coach that goes for it - sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. As a coach - you just have to be willing to stand up and answer the questions - so you better believe in what you are doing - live it and accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 That decision worked out but it was a piss poor decision that Thompson bailed him out on. 3rd string QB and Dennison was finally getting slightly creative on a drive we were moving the ball with some runs by that 3rd string guy. You're left with a 4th and 1, decide to punt, use one of only 2 timeouts, and still punt. Loved the guts and grit and even playfulness of our players today, but McDermott and Dennison really had some bad coaching. However, somehow we're still in this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 In these kinds of situations, I just ask myself, "What would Bill Belichick do?" He'd have gone for it. Obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 19 minutes ago, PolishDave said: Correct. Could be it was the right call to win the game. Could be it didn't matter no matter which way he called it. Still doesn't change the fact that it was the lower odds much higher risk decision. If people think that is the smart decision there, so be it. Logic says it isn't. But I get it, some people are more emotional than logical. You have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re assuming things with no facts to back it up. But since you said it I will ask. What were the odds for each decision at that moment, in those conditions, with those players, at that point in OT? McD made a call and it worked, that’s all that matters and all he should be judged on. The rest is total conjecture based on assumptions that have no basis in fact and certainly not facts for the exact situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, dubs said: You have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re assuming things with no facts to back it up. But since you said it I will ask. What were the odds for each decision at that moment, in those conditions, with those players, at that point in OT? McD made a call and it worked, that’s all that matters and all he should be judged on. The rest is total conjecture based on assumptions that have no basis in fact and certainly not facts for the exact situation. 65% to win before the punt 59.8% to win after the punt so Odds went down with the punt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, MAJBobby said: 65% to win before the punt 59.8% to win after the punt so Odds went down with the punt Do odds factor in snow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, dubs said: You have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re assuming things with no facts to back it up. But since you said it I will ask. What were the odds for each decision at that moment, in those conditions, with those players, at that point in OT? McD made a call and it worked, that’s all that matters and all he should be judged on. The rest is total conjecture based on assumptions that have no basis in fact and certainly not facts for the exact situation. Ok genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: 65% to win before the punt 59.8% to win after the punt so Odds went down with the punt Those arent the odds for that game. Those arent based on an offense consisting of 6 plays, a 3rd string qb operating it, in 6 inches to a foot of snow, without your number one wr. Ince again you are incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said: Those arent the odds for that game. Those arent based on an offense consisting of 6 plays, a 3rd string qb operating it, in 6 inches to a foot of snow, without your number one wr. Ince again you are incorrect. So you really liked the odds of Webb throwing the longest pass of the day with the game on the line and having to start the final drive around the Bills 35 instead of getting a yard or two on the opponets 40? There were probably better odds of Webb throwing another terrible interception in his own end again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said: Those arent the odds for that game. Those arent based on an offense consisting of 6 plays, a 3rd string qb operating it, in 6 inches to a foot of snow, without your number one wr. Ince again you are incorrect. Those were the REAL TIME ODDS and with the punt did the 3rd string QB still have to complete a deep pass on third down? To a WR cut by Bears?? In a foot of snow?? got it dont want to accept the facts once again you fail to address any of those questions Edited December 11, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, dubs said: You have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re assuming things with no facts to back it up. But since you said it I will ask. What were the odds for each decision at that moment, in those conditions, with those players, at that point in OT? McD made a call and it worked, that’s all that matters and all he should be judged on. The rest is total conjecture based on assumptions that have no basis in fact and certainly not facts for the exact situation. I went all in with pocket 2's in poker and the guy had pocket aces. I won even though the odds weren't on my side. Does that make my decision correct? Edited December 11, 2017 by billsfan11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 16 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: 65% to win before the punt 59.8% to win after the punt so Odds went down with the punt Hah! Based on what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 it's like people expected a 35 yard pass with the game on the line with a 3rd string QB to a backup WR in a half foot of snow. Like Duh I was totally expecting the Bills to be able to pull that off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, dubs said: Hah! Based on what exactly? Just go look at ESPN its there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Those were the REAL TIME ODDS and with the punt did the 3rd string QB still have to complete a deep pass on third down? To a WR cut by Bears?? In a foot of snow?? got it dont want to accept the facts once again you fail to address any of those questions Again, what is the source of your odds? Just now, MAJBobby said: Just go look at ESPN its there Oh! Espn! And do you know what they use to make those projections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: I went all in with pocket 2's in poker and the guy had pocket aces. I won even though the odds weren't on my side. Does that make my decision correct? Yes it does. You can't get over excited having pocket Aces. Two Pair! Edited December 11, 2017 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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