T-Bomb Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Kubiak from the Broncos Dave Wannestedt from Miami I thought Kubiak had health issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Kubiak retired... I would not call that quitting. The guy passed out while jogging to the locker room on national TV due to a mini stroke. The fact that he returned to coaching as a HC is amazing enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Most likely yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, T-Bomb said: Do you think that might be because everyone else in the FO was an idiot? Has that not been proven out? Maybe Marrone saw that Pegula was going to keep Whaley and Brandon, and he just said, !@#$ it, I'm out of this joke show... I mean, he made the decision to quit an NFL head coaching job... That has happened twice to the Bills recently. WTF do you think that says about the organization? Your point is well taken. As I said, Marrone probably was "right" about most of the things with which he and Whaley disagreed (EJ, decision to trade up for Watkins, etc.) Still, Marrone's inability to play well with others proved to be counter-productive. The reported "St. Doug" references also betrayed a notion that Marrone felt that he was the ONLY reason that the team had any success -- not the players, scouts, GM, etc. Whaley was far from perfect, but not everything he did was bad. Still, the poor relationship between GM and head coach was a two-way street -- and there is enough blame for both Marrone and Whaley for not working better together. Also, the Mularkey situation was very different. Ralph and Marv clearly wanted to bring in another guy and instead of firing Mularkey (and paying for his remaining years on the contract), they imposed enough mandates/restrictions on him to provoke him to resign. Edited December 4, 2017 by 2003Contenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaista2k Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 6 hours ago, teef said: i have no idea where this comes from. I have no idea why people think he would get another head coaching gig? He had his chance in Detroit and failed. It's very rare that guys like that would get a second chance at a head coaching position in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 9 hours ago, cba fan said: Pegs did offer him a 5 yr extension and was advised by Marrone he would get back to him . Pegs thought it was a done deal. Next day he resigned. Pegs was blindsided. Marrone never requested changes to make his stay in Buffalo palatable for him. Marrone was never happy in Buffalo. He needed to go. It was my understanding he was requesting more power and changes to the organization hierarchy. I think Schefter or another insider reported that about the departure. Pegulas offered him more money instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 4 hours ago, 2003Contenders said: Your point is well taken. As I said, Marrone probably was "right" about most of the things with which he and Whaley disagreed (EJ, decision to trade up for Watkins, etc.) Still, Marrone's inability to play well with others proved to be counter-productive. The reported "St. Doug" references also betrayed a notion that Marrone felt that he was the ONLY reason that the team had any success -- not the players, scouts, GM, etc. Whaley was far from perfect, but not everything he did was bad. Still, the poor relationship between GM and head coach was a two-way street -- and there is enough blame for both Marrone and Whaley for not working better together. Also, the Mularkey situation was very different. Ralph and Marv clearly wanted to bring in another guy and instead of firing Mularkey (and paying for his remaining years on the contract), they imposed enough mandates/restrictions on him to provoke him to resign. Most of the good coaches are the same way. Bill Billiecheck or Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, Jim Harbuagh are just to name a few. That is the stereo typical profile of a Ceo or leader in any profession. History has turned out in Marrone's favor. Russel Brand not being a football guy. Whaley having too much authority. Then the personal decisions Ej down to trading up for Watkins. Pegula was too new to make an informed decision on the front office or head coach. Imo he was forced to choose and without the proper information he made the wrong one probably because Whaley and Brand were likable and Marrone was not. That is why he looking for a football Czar. He is not a football fan or lifer, he didnt understand the culture and have the ability to determine what good talent in the industry looks acts and feels like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 All things considered I have a feeling we'd be at the same spot right now if Marrone was still around. McDermott isn't really too different from Marrone to me. The handclapping could be annoying but he appears to be far less abrasive. Marrone was better than Rex, if he's better than McDermott is TBD. But wow there's actually some days thinking of Gailey, Marrone, and Rex that make want to apologize to Jauron. Not that he didn't deserve to be fired but the hostility was a bit much considering all this that transpired afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 We would have benefitted to some degree simply by virtue of not changing regimes and acquiring, then getting rid of, then acquiring differing types of players to suit differing coaches' tastes. It's like constantly changing lanes at the grocery store. You never make it to the check out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW95 - JA17 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 oh no, he didn't get along with front office...Who gives a crap. he's the only coach that had put accountability on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Pool table would still be there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Whaley , Schwartz and Marrone would have fared better over the last years. Consistency with the defense scheme alone would be a big help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 No. He is the same stale, run-first, try and win with other people's backups as Jauron, Rex and now McDermott is. He punted on 4th down and 2 from the Pittsburgh 36 down by 2 scores in the 4th Quarter. I could not stand listening to that guy with his "obviously" every 3rd word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: No. He is the same stale, run-first, try and win with other people's backups as Jauron, Rex and now McDermott is. He punted on 4th down and 2 from the Pittsburgh 36 down by 2 scores in the 4th Quarter. I could not stand listening to that guy with his "obviously" every 3rd word. 8-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 i think so. He made far less mistakes in his first year than our current guy has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Yes. Home opener against the Jets his last year. Jets lost. Jets player later said.... "We could not math their intensity". I'm still waiting for any team since to come anywhere remotely near that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 13 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: 8-4. AFC South Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 14 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: No. The offense would have continued to suck (worse than we saw under Roman/Lynn in 2015 and 2016) and the defense would have depreciated due to aging personnel (see Williams, Mario). but we would have been able to draft replacements, and not have them traded within 2 years. 3 hours ago, Klaista2k said: I have no idea why people think he would get another head coaching gig? He had his chance in Detroit and failed. It's very rare that guys like that would get a second chance at a head coaching position in the NFL. Didn't he take an 0-16 team and get them to the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, BadLandsMeanie said: Yes. Home opener against the Jets his last year. Jets lost. Jets player later said.... "We could not math their intensity". I'm still waiting for any team since to come anywhere remotely near that. I remember Marrone calling a lot of Trig in that game. Edited December 5, 2017 by KD in CA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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