Deandre Coleman is the Reason for Our Season ~ He Shut The Run Game Down

[TheFunPolice]

I like my 2 DTs to total 680-700 pounds. My all-time favorite Bills DL was Ted Washington and Sam Adams in the middle at DT. Nearly 800 pounds of DT. That's like 3.5 players instead of 2.

 

NOBODY ran them over.

 

 

[HuSeYiN_NYC]

1 hour ago, BillsVet said:

 

I used to be amazed by this type of rhetoric. Now I'm just sad for those who go to this extent to prove their point. 

 

Comparing human relationships to 340 street free agent DT's? Whoa. Mind blown.

 

Never mind that Coleman has already been released twice by the team in less than 3 months. If they thought he was a difference maker, it stands to reason they wouldn't have let him go. And that 31 other teams didn't need his services.

 

 

Here's another example for you.

 

Before the Bills released him, did they give him 14 snaps in live action in a game that counted? Did he know and understand the system? Was he asked to do something that he didn't feel comfortable with?

 

Come on man. Don't sit there and act like you're  the new GM everyone should hire. Don't act like you know talent or in your case, no talent because a guy got released from 4 teams. 

 

You see, I'm not saying Coleman is the next big thing. But I'm not counting him out. If he's given a chance, he COULD be. You already have him written off because 4 other teams wrote him off.

 

My analogy may not make sense to you, but YOUR way of thinking DAMN sure don't make sense to me.

[Fadingpain]

If Coleman's role is this important (single handedly fixing our inability to stop the run, particularly straight up the middle) then why the hell has this organization released him TWICE and why has he been on, off, on, off the practice squad!?

 

Seems like he slipped through the cracks and perhaps should have been given more of a look all along.

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

14 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

I like my 2 DTs to total 680-700 pounds. My all-time favorite Bills DL was Ted Washington and Sam Adams in the middle at DT. Nearly 800 pounds of DT. That's like 3.5 players instead of 2.

 

NOBODY ran them over.

 

 

We need to draft a very big NT to replace Kyle...Adolphus is not the answer. 

[Jobot]

6 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

 

It was a joke.

 ok fine!

[The Frankish Reich]

6 hours ago, RevWarRifleman said:

BadLands, great job and thanks for putting all this together!

Agreed. Nice work.  

In addition to Coleman shoring up the middle, isn't KC one of the worst inside running teams in football?  This may have also been, in retrospect, exactly the right matchup for the Bills defense at the right time. 

[3rdand12]

20 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

Hi Folks,

I was watching the game on all 22 because I had to cancel by midnight tonight or pay for the whole season.

 

I got stuck on just a few plays trying to figure them out. I will make a post on those later. But then see I was running out of time so I just started to let it run and watch it instead of rewinding and rewinding like I had been doing.

 

This is a play where they sacked Smith. I saw a Bills player somehow just run right through the Chiefs line. Like not through a hole in the line, but seemingly right through it. I watched closer and then, I saw this image go by. I says to myself, what the heck was that? Did I see that right? How come all those people are there but I only see one Bill? 

Here you can see what I saw and wondered about.

 

 

There is another Bill in there you can see his legs sticking out of the bottom of the pile.. So, 2 Bills, 4 Chiefs, and one football in that picture.

Now I will show you what happened. If I sound a little childish, inexperienced, and excited, it is because I have never seen anything like this before.

 

Here is the beginning of the play. The slippery Bill 55 Hughes, (black arrow) is on the left. Deandre Coleman (blue arrow) is the Bill with two linemen on him.

 

Now Hughes (trying to go along the yellow line)has two guys on him. One of Coleman's men has shifted over to help with Hughes.

 

 

Now Coleman (7 Star Turbocharged Superman Arrow) hold his man off with one arm, slides over, and attacks all 3 of the Chiefs linemen.

Attacks all 3. There are only 2 Bills players here.  Only Hughes trying to get away, and Coleman are in this picture.

 

Now Hughes has got free and is after Smith. Smith will make a break for the big hole in front of him. Deandre Coleman sprung Hughes, but is now well blocked out of the  way.

 

Now Coleman did make a mistake here. He hasn't noticed that he is blocked. He just pushes his man back towards the hash mark, making the hole smaller, and Hughes got hold of Smith but was unable to tackle him.

 

 

Three Chiefs lineman are pushing Hughes who is behind Smith, and Smith  forward, in the middle of that pile there. Coleman is pushing back. 

 

Here is the side view.

And, the Chiefs lost the contest!

 

 

I'm no football expert, but I was so, encouraged and stoked and  proud and excited because I personally have never seen anything like that before in my life.

 

I watched as many of our defensive snaps as I could after that, just focused on the line.

Here is what I saw. They were able to run towards the middle on us towards the start of the game.

 

The Bills then rotated Coleman in there more often.  They were then unable to run up the middle on us. 
Eventually the Chiefs gave up trying when he was in.

 

On passing downs the Bills would put 92 Washington in. He can penetrate for pass rishing or getting after the running back sometimes.. I did not see Coleman penetrate so I think that is his limitation at least at this time.

 

On running downs they were just flat unable to run in the middle with Coleman in. They got nothing.

You can double team this guy and he still doesn't budge.

 

Last week I had looked at the Chargers game and I wrote that the Chargers could push everyone but Kyle Williams around,. They could push Kyle Williams with two players, but that makes it harder to run using 2 guys to move one man.

 

This guy Coleman, they could not push him with two.

 

To me I think it is a sure thing that our being gashed in the running game just stopped, just went from record setting yardage to being shut down, was Deandre Coleman.

 

So there you go.

I like you. 

thanks a ton for breaking that out for us !

 and YES i quoted the Whole thing !!

Edited November 30, 2017 by 3rdand12

[Paul Costa]

Great topic and point. We were missing Dareus in the middle and Coleman stepped up big time. Hope he can bring it this Sunday too????

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

Well we all remember after the Dareus trade that we got gashed badly in the run game.  The move was to sign Coleman and cut Jerel Worthy. I liked Worthy but the truth was that Dareus at 335 was a run stuffer and Worthy at 300 could not hold up to what Dareus was doing for this D. Coleman at 340 is now the Dareus role. As he got up to speed our run D has been getting better. I doubt he matches Dareus production but his upside and salary will help us improve in other areas. I hope Coleman keeps improving and the Bills get into the playoffs.

4 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

I like my 2 DTs to total 680-700 pounds. My all-time favorite Bills DL was Ted Washington and Sam Adams in the middle at DT. Nearly 800 pounds of DT. That's like 3.5 players instead of 2.

 

NOBODY ran them over.

 

 

oh yeah, got me salivating about that defense again. immovable in the middle. 

[TigerJ]

Yeah, I was concerned with the Bills D-line's lack of mass after they traded Dareus.  The concern I have with Coleman is he's pretty limited in pass defense.  I can see Bill Belichick passing on a lot of "run" downs and running the ball on so call "obvious" passing downs when Coleman is out of the lineup.  That's why, ultimately, you want guys on your D-line that are both big and athletic.

[Bing Bong]

love the analysis, and appreciate Coleman holding up blockers like that. But is there a video on this? By my account Hughes just beat his man to pressure Smith, as Coleman dragged his blockers towards Hughes, not only bringing blockers towards Hughes but creating a huge gap. Between 2 pictures Smith looks likes he has a 20 yard run right through the middle, and then the next picture he just disappears under a pile of Chiefs.

[BadLandsMeanie]

7 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

I used to be amazed by this type of rhetoric. Now I'm just sad for those who go to this extent to prove their point. 

 

Comparing human relationships to 340 street free agent DT's? Whoa. Mind blown.

 

Never mind that Coleman has already been released twice by the team in less than 3 months. If they thought he was a difference maker, it stands to reason they wouldn't have let him go. And that 31 other teams didn't need his services.

 

It also stands to reason that when the Bills defense had melted down resulting a 3 game losing streak and headlines questioning if the head coach was even able to do the job (In over his head), and that the defensive coach needed to be fired, that maybe they wouldn't have turned to the next random schlub they saw walking by, to help them out with the main problem of all. Which was we were being crushed in the ruining game. It stands to reason they had a reason for picking him.

 

But that is just me right? They just grabbed whoever.

 

Ill ask another question. Did you even see him play? IF you watched the game, did you watch 98? Did you notice him, at all?

 

Here's another question: Who sits and watches a whole game in slow motion and rewinding as necessary, focusing only on the Bills DT position?

 

Did you?

 

I think the answer is me, and the defensive line coaches for the Chiefs and Bills, and also the Patriots who are coming this Sunday.

 

So not to disagree with you, but if you are not among those who watched that, then I will go ahead and believe what it was I saw with my own eyes.

 

But don't you let that change your opinion any. I am starting to get the idea that I seem better informed when you and I don't agree!

 

 

6 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

I like my 2 DTs to total 680-700 pounds. My all-time favorite Bills DL was Ted Washington and Sam Adams in the middle at DT. Nearly 800 pounds of DT. That's like 3.5 players instead of 2.

 

NOBODY ran them over.

 

 

That is a sore spot with me. As you say, NOBODY ran them over. Then they got rid of them and I watched teams run through the hole where they used to be, for years afterwards. All the while Donohoe denying it was happening. Im stil not over that.  

 

But it was awesome while they were here!

Edited November 30, 2017 by BadLandsMeanie

[BadLandsMeanie]

6 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

If Coleman's role is this important (single handedly fixing our inability to stop the run, particularly straight up the middle) then why the hell has this organization released him TWICE and why has he been on, off, on, off the practice squad!?

 

Seems like he slipped through the cracks and perhaps should have been given more of a look all along.

 

 

This reminds me of a story Mularkey once told.

 

Before here, he was on a coaching staff that kept trying to get rid of one player. But for years they couldn't. Because the guy could do something the others couldn't.

 

I don't know if that applies to Coleman but I don't think he would make a great special teamer for example.  Maybe he isn't as versatile as they want. Or something else like other have mentioned. Maybe he hasn't declared for The Process or whatever it is one has to do to become one of the Procession.

But if he continues like  he has I think they are stuck with him because otherwise everybody is going to get fired. They can't just keep giving up 300 yards and 50 points a game and expect to be here next year.

3 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

I like you. 

thanks a ton for breaking that out for us !

 and YES i quoted the Whole thing !!

Thanks man!  And you are Very welcome!

3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Agreed. Nice work.  

In addition to Coleman shoring up the middle, isn't KC one of the worst inside running teams in football?  This may have also been, in retrospect, exactly the right matchup for the Bills defense at the right time. 

I don't know how they rate. In some sense I figure things will probably level out somehow. Because what I saw was unbelievable. It was like a little miracle or a storybook. And that kind of thing doesn't last  and maybe not for the Bills in particular, most times. 

 

The contrast was also made much greater for me from having watched what the Chargers did to our line the week before. 

 

I will be watching the Pats game and hoping for more!

Edited November 30, 2017 by BadLandsMeanie

[BadLandsMeanie]

1 hour ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

love the analysis, and appreciate Coleman holding up blockers like that. But is there a video on this? By my account Hughes just beat his man to pressure Smith, as Coleman dragged his blockers towards Hughes, not only bringing blockers towards Hughes but creating a huge gap. Between 2 pictures Smith looks likes he has a 20 yard run right through the middle, and then the next picture he just disappears under a pile of Chiefs.

It was on NFL.com all 22. I did the trail membership then dumped it because you have pay for the whole season.

 

Plus it was kind of ruining my life. I spent a LOT o ftime watching that stuff. It really interesting. I will get it next year but I will plan for it and try to have time for it.

 

Anyway, I don't have film of it. I wish I did. It was cooler on film.

 

So, for now you are stuck with what I saw. :/  I don't think Hughes would have got by without Coleman's help. 

 

And there was a big hole that closed because they could not get rid of Coleman, And they could not peel Hughes off Smith, because they could not get rid of Coleman. 

 

And then they tried to push Coleman down or out of the way, and they could not do it. I don't know what Hughes was doing he was engulfed in the Chiefs.

 

Then I watched the rest of the game and saw they they never pushed Coleman out of the way, ever. Even with two men on him. They did not try 3 that I saw. Maybe 3 could get him to move. Also Coleman can just push the line back. It is slow. He can't dart around the side. But when he pushed at the line it went backwards.

 

This allowed everyone else to do their jobs.

 

I would love to see Richie and Woods try to push him. That would tell us a lot. But we will see how it goes for Coleman in the coming games.

 

If it was me though, if I could play one NFL game like he did there, those 14 plays, that would be enough for me to be proud of how I played for the rest of my life. That was a very big game and he was a man among boys when the team needed him. Or so it looked to me!

 

 

[BillsVet]

10 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

It also stands to reason that when the Bills defense had melted down resulting a 3 game losing streak and headlines questioning if the head coach was even able to do the job (In over his head), and that the defensive coach needed to be fired, that maybe they wouldn't have turned to the next random schlub they saw walking by, to help them out with the main problem of all. Which was we were being crushed in the ruining game. It stands to reason they had a reason for picking him.

 

But that is just me right? They just grabbed whoever.

 

Ill ask another question. Did you even see him play? IF you watched the game, did you watch 98? Did you notice him, at all?

 

Here's another question: Who sits and watches a whole game in slow motion and rewinding as necessary, focusing only on the Bills DT position?

 

Did you?

 

I think the answer is me, and the defensive line coaches for the Chiefs and Bills, and also the Patriots who are coming this Sunday.

 

So not to disagree with you, but if you are not among those who watched that, then I will go ahead and believe what it was I saw with my own eyes.

 

But don't you let that change your opinion any. I am starting to get the idea that I seem better informed when you and I don't agree!

 

I will bow to your omniscience.

 

[BadLandsMeanie]

24 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

I will bow to your omniscience.

 

 

No bowing is necessary.

I think omniscience means I know everything, which believe me, I do not.

 

All I am saying is I wrote what I saw.  You are talking about his past history, which I know very little about, and did not mention in my post.  So in my opinion, unless you also looked at the film I saw, I am not going to learn very much from you about what happened in the film that I had written about.

 

 If you just want to say that given the man's history, you don't believe he played great just because I say so, why not just say that?

 

 

[buffaloboyinATL]

17 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

If Coleman's role is this important (single handedly fixing our inability to stop the run, particularly straight up the middle) then why the hell has this organization released him TWICE and why has he been on, off, on, off the practice squad!?

 

Seems like he slipped through the cracks and perhaps should have been given more of a look all along.

 

 

Because at the time we had Dareus?

[BillsFan130]

Once again, thank you very much for your review

[LABILLBACKER]

18 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

If Coleman's role is this important (single handedly fixing our inability to stop the run, particularly straight up the middle) then why the hell has this organization released him TWICE and why has he been on, off, on, off the practice squad!?

 

Seems like he slipped through the cracks and perhaps should have been given more of a look all along.

 

 

Like the Bills organization has never released a good player. Pretty amusing. 

[HuSeYiN_NYC]

19 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

If Coleman's role is this important (single handedly fixing our inability to stop the run, particularly straight up the middle) then why the hell has this organization released him TWICE and why has he been on, off, on, off the practice squad!?

 

Seems like he slipped through the cracks and perhaps should have been given more of a look all along.

 

 

You may have just answered your own question at the end.