GoBills808 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I think this is a joke but I was actually thinking earlier I almost wish the Panthers had scored a TD on that 1st drive. Just to know what the offense would have looked like with their back against the wall. The POINT is that the offense DID have their backs against the wall, the whole game long, and failed miserably. The WHY is, according to Kelly the Dog here, because the defense didn't do enough in promoting good field position. Your ridiculous longing for the other team to have more points than the Bills is part and parcel an extension of his (and OP's) quantum reasoning behind the rationale that somehow fails to acknowledge the correlation between preventing the opponent from scoring, relative field position, and the various offensive issues resultant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I'm sorry if I saw the very first play on the drive chart showing at the 33. It's confusing if someone takes a glance at it. Regardless, we didn't move the ball when it was at any part of the field all game....which is why we had 176 total yards. I'll agree with that completely. Our offense was atrocious the entire game. No one played well. No one coached well. And ESPN did make a small mistake. But the play you linked showed clearly we started at the 21 not 33. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) The POINT is that the offense DID have their backs against the wall, the whole game long, and failed miserably. The WHY is, according to Kelly the Dog here, because the defense didn't do enough in promoting good field position. Your ridiculous longing for the other team to have more points than the Bills is part and parcel an extension of his (and OP's) quantum reasoning behind the rationale that somehow fails to acknowledge the correlation between preventing the opponent from scoring, relative field position, and the various offensive issues resultant. I just wanted the play calling to be more aggressive especially in the 1st half. You took my post, and Kelly's, to weird places. Edited September 18, 2017 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 The POINT is that the offense DID have their backs against the wall, the whole game long, and failed miserably. The WHY is, according to Kelly the Dog here, because the defense didn't do enough in promoting good field position. Your ridiculous longing for the other team to have more points than the Bills is part and parcel an extension of his (and OP's) quantum reasoning behind the rationale that somehow fails to acknowledge the correlation between preventing the opponent from scoring, relative field position, and the various offensive issues resultant. I never ever said anything resembling that. Cut it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I almost understand your point Almost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I never ever said anything resembling that. Cut it out. So you never said that field position (ie: the part of the field where the ball changes possession pursuant to the defense's efforts giving way to the offense's) hurt the Bills yesterday? Which, by definition, would argue that the defense hurt the offense by not giving them better fields to work with? Just come out and say it. Don't hide behind posting where we started with the ball and then back away when it's convenient. Say: 'I agree with OP that the defense hurt the offense WRT field position.' Then at least I'll know who to ignore when it comes to talking football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 How about the defense didn't stop Carolina from having 38+minutes time of possession. The defense did not get key thrid down stops in many instances too (unless 3rd & 15). They stopped them on short yardage 2X's all game..... So yes they allowed no TD's, sacked Newton 6X's, but allowed too many 3rd down conversions and lost the field position game...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 So you never said that field position (ie: the part of the field where the ball changes possession pursuant to the defense's efforts giving way to the offense's) hurt the Bills yesterday? Which, by definition, would argue that the defense hurt the offense by not giving them better fields to work with? Just come out and say it. Don't hide behind posting where we started with the ball and then back away when it's convenient. Say: 'I agree with OP that the defense hurt the offense WRT field position.' Then at least I'll know who to ignore when it comes to talking football. Read the first post I made, that you quoted. I said field position hurts an offense. "That's all." I actually typed out "That's all." I didn't even reference the Bills. I just said it as an inarguable fact. I didn't blame the defense once for it. Although I did say that a few smart football fans SURMISED that MAYBE SOME conservative coaching and playcalling was due to our defense being on the field in the heat all day. That is not blaming the defense either. The defense was fantastic. The offense was atrocious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Read the first post I made, that you quoted. I said field position hurts an offense. "That's all." I actually typed out "That's all." I didn't even reference the Bills. I just said it as an inarguable fact. I didn't blame the defense once for it. Although I did say that a few smart football fans SURMISED that MAYBE SOME conservative coaching and playcalling was due to our defense being on the field in the heat all day. That is not blaming the defense either. The defense was fantastic. The offense was atrocious. You were clearly referencing the game yesterday, alluded to it by throwing in the qualifier 'on the road'. Supplemented it by listing the starting field position for each of the Bills' drives. To what end, I have no idea. If your overall point really is that you and your smart football fan friends agree that longer fields make it harder on an offense, congratulations I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Actually the Bills never had good field position, and as said Carolina converted too many 3rd downs. Defense played very well, but again forced no turnovers nor were the Bills playing on a short field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 in 1st half not 1 pass thrown over 10 yards in 2nd half there were 3 passes thrown over 10 yards.....2 were out of bounds on sideline and zay dropped the other one at end of game. blame the OC or risk adverse QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 in 1st half not 1 pass thrown over 10 yards in 2nd half there were 3 passes thrown over 10 yards.....2 were out of bounds on sideline and zay dropped the other one at end of game. blame the OC or risk adverse QB Again to me there is no doubt this is the result of bad coaching and OC planning. Same in 2015 & 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Again to me there is no doubt this is the result of bad coaching and OC planning. Same in 2015 & 2016. You're saying we had bad offensive coaching in 2015? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 half of TT's passes were thrown within either side of 2 yards of the line of scrimmage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 This thread makes about as much sense as Rich Gannon repeatedly saying the Shady needed more touches when the Bills were going three and out on each series! Did Gannon want him to go out their with the Defense??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Talylor, Dennison and the running game or lack of hurt the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 The Bills started drives from the 25-10-2-25-21-25-21-14-43-25. THIS is the downside to bend but don't break stategy. When your D bends on the other side of the field and finally stops them around mid field or later, you end up with bad field position frequently. The answer of course would be for the O to play better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) WTH?!? Is this similar to NFC wins being bad for the Bills' playoff chances? Haha, I know, was going to put that in the OP, and I was aware of the similarity as I was starting the thread! That said, there are times when a defense will allow a team to score on purpose to get the ball back, or a team intentionally gives up a safety. I guess my question is more, does a close game with poor field position lead to more conservative play calling, where if you get behind schedule, you play safe and are ok with punting until you get scored on and then get aggressive to flip the field? Edited September 18, 2017 by HardyBoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 38,000+ posts and you're agreeing with this joke thread? Come on. Number of posts has nothing to do with how much sense poster makes. And 'giving the defense a breather'? LOL they had a 17+ minute advantage in TOP! Maybe the defense was purposefully giving the offense longer fields in hopes it would lead to longer drives so they could get a rest in. Maybe the defense was taking their time because they were trying for takeaways knowing offense was unable to score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 By not allowing points, it kept the offense in bad field position without the urgency to play less conservatively. Hope the d plays like this every week, but could they have played a part in the offense's approach? Wow thats a new one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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