Would you accept Colin Kaepernick as a Buffalo Bill?

[HumbleAndHungry]

With four siblings in the military and the soldiers who have paid the ultimate price to ensure America's freedom, I couldn't support someone who desecrate's a flag I hold so sacred.

[DocLawless]

 

Sorry, let me be more like the racist guy with 32,000 posts and pretend like Kaep coming in won't be a problem with a large chunk of the fanbase because they can't handle a black man peacefully protesting oppression

Oppression? You are media brainwashed pal. The media shows you only the instances of bad policing and rarely the instances of the dangers of the job and how often they are gunned down by crimimals. Should I consider all Black Lives Matter supporters terrorists because a group of them ambushed officers? That's just the problem I have with his protest, it generalizes an entire group because of the actions of a few bad apples in the police force. Cops come in all different races, religions, genders, etc.. some are bad and corrupt sure, but most are good people hoping to get home to their families every night, yet most would take a bullet for a stranger. Since when is generalizing an entire group ok? There are bad people in every walk of life. Police officers go out every day and night, for very little money mind you, and put their lives on the line for people like you who call them racist oppressors. It's a dangerous job, and when people like kaepernick push this false narrative of them being racist oppresors, it puts a target on their backs and makes their job that much more dangerous. So no, you shouldn't expect people who have family and friends serving in the force to want him anywhere near their favorite team.

[TSOL]

I think it's a safe bet that CK never plays another single down in football for the rest of his life. I'm pretty sure he's effectively blacklisted from the NFL. Right or wrong, I just think that is the case.

[SectionC3]

I stopped reading at porn.

Fair enough. No reason to read it if you can't dispute it.

[boyst]

Fair enough. No reason to read it if you can't dispute it.

no. You just have trouble understanding where you are. We aren't talking about whatever you're trying to bring up with the second amendment and ****. There is a thread in PPP for that angle of the story. Your crap doesnt belong in this thread.

[4merper4mer]

Fair enough. No reason to read it if you can't dispute it.

It's not that. It just gave him another idea.

[SectionC3]

no. You just have trouble understanding where you are. We aren't talking about whatever you're trying to bring up with the second amendment and ****. There is a thread in PPP for that angle of the story. Your crap doesnt belong in this thread.

I thought you stopped reading at porn. I guess not.

 

For what it's worth, I know precisely where I am. Specifically, I'm in a thread where you adopted a photo of a t-shirt depicting a man with a target that has been placed on him because he has a point of view different from the creator of the t-shirt (and, apparently, yours). Whether one agrees or disagrees with Kaep is immaterial. The "target" stuff is the crap that doesn't belong. And this fact remains: you still can't dispute my points.

[Gugny]

With four siblings in the military and the soldiers who have paid the ultimate price to ensure America's freedom, I couldn't support someone who desecrate's a flag I hold so sacred.

 

I'm a veteran. My dad is a veteran, as was his father. My brother did 20 honorable years and retired from the Navy and my sister is also a veteran.

 

Other than my grandfather, who's dead, all of us think Kaepernick should be on a roster.

 

Under normal circumstances, i.e. - if all of our talent hadn't been traded away - I would have welcomed Kaep as a Bill and actually wanted the Bills to pursue him before the Taylor extension. I think he's far, far better than Taylor.

 

As it stands now, thinking purely football, I wouldn't want Kaep. I'd rather either find a QB via the draft or get a FA who is better than he is.

[boyst]

I thought you stopped reading at porn. I guess not.

 

For what it's worth, I know precisely where I am. Specifically, I'm in a thread where you adopted a photo of a t-shirt depicting a man with a target that has been placed on him because he has a point of view different from the creator of the t-shirt (and, apparently, yours). Whether one agrees or disagrees with Kaep is immaterial. The "target" stuff is the crap that doesn't belong. And this fact remains: you still can't dispute my points.

second amendment stood out. I only read your first sentence.

You'll keep my attention longer if you hold off using the word porn until the end.

[dezertbill]

Unfortunately with Kaep it's not a talent thing it's a distraction thing.

 

Being a short term option definitely isn't worth the circus. If we were a playoff team maybe he's an option if TT and peterman are out long term and Yates crashes.

 

Since we aren't I don't See the Bills wanting to bring that here to Buffalo

[Boatdrinks]

Unfortunately with Kaep it's not a talent thing it's a distraction thing.

Being a short term option definitely isn't worth the circus. If we were a playoff team maybe he's an option if TT and peterman are out long term and Yates crashes.

Since we aren't I don't See the Bills wanting to bring that here to Buffalo

I agree that it is a distraction thing for teams with regards to CK. I'm not sure it's unfortunate exactly, but that's what it is.

[IDBillzFan]

...a black man peacefully protesting oppression

 

Is there a reason you're basing everything on the color of a man's skin? I mean, you seem go be the ONLY one talking about skin color.

 

Don't you find that to be a bit, y'know, odd?

[DirtDart]

 

I'm sure the Trump circlejerk forum will happily explain why a picture depicting a black man with a crosshair across his chest is not racist

Lol, really. You are special. You really need to take a break from the internet. Edited August 28, 2017 by DirtDart

[Boatdrinks]

Is there a reason you're basing everything on the color of a man's skin? I mean, you seem go be the ONLY one talking about skin color.

Don't you find that to be a bit, y'know, odd?

So true.

[Spurna]

Oppression? You are media brainwashed pal.

 

Buffalo has the second-highest childhood poverty rate in America

 

I'm glad you can go have a beer at Canalside and buy tickets for the Bills games, but most of the city lives in crippling poverty

 

Stop trying to make it about *my family* or *America* or *law enforcement* - can't we all agree that black people are disadvantaged? Or should black people who speak out get their face on t-shirts with gun cross-hairs over their chests?

[North Buffalo]

Oppression? You are media brainwashed pal. The media shows you only the instances of bad policing and rarely the instances of the dangers of the job and how often they are gunned down by crimimals. Should I consider all Black Lives Matter supporters terrorists because a group of them ambushed officers? That's just the problem I have with his protest, it generalizes an entire group because of the actions of a few bad apples in the police force. Cops come in all different races, religions, genders, etc.. some are bad and corrupt sure, but most are good people hoping to get home to their families every night, yet most would take a bullet for a stranger. Since when is generalizing an entire group ok? There are bad people in every walk of life. Police officers go out every day and night, for very little money mind you, and put their lives on the line for people like you who call them racist oppressors. It's a dangerous job, and when people like kaepernick push this false narrative of them being racist oppresors, it puts a target on their backs and makes their job that much more dangerous. So no, you shouldn't expect people who have family and friends serving in the force to want him anywhere near their favorite team.

Well said... I don't care about the knee, but understand those that do. My question is if Kapernick is good enough to help the Bills is he worth the media circus and all the circle jerks posting above. I just don't think he is good enough. That being said, I don't care about his poilitical statements... this is football... can he play?

[SectionC3]

Is there a reason you're basing everything on the color of a man's skin? I mean, you seem go be the ONLY one talking about skin color.

Don't you find that to be a bit, y'know, odd?

To be fair, nobody has responded to the Nate Boyer point. He's the vet (and JAG long snapper) who, if memory serves, came up with the compromise protest. I appreciate that Boyer doesn't protest himself, but he arguably created the pose. So why no animus toward him?

[HumbleAndHungry]

I commend you and your family for your service Gugny, much respect.

[mannc]

 

I'm a veteran. My dad is a veteran, as was his father. My brother did 20 honorable years and retired from the Navy and my sister is also a veteran.

 

Other than my grandfather, who's dead, all of us think Kaepernick should be on a roster.

 

Under normal circumstances, i.e. - if all of our talent hadn't been traded away - I would have welcomed Kaep as a Bill and actually wanted the Bills to pursue him before the Taylor extension. I think he's far, far better than Taylor.

 

As it stands now, thinking purely football, I wouldn't want Kaep. I'd rather either find a QB via the draft or get a FA who is better than he is.

Great post. It's funny how many people who actually served don't have a problem with Kaepernick's protest, because they understand that (1) they served to protect a country and its ideals, not a flag or a song, and (2) one of the things they fought for was to protect the rights of people like kaepernick (right or wrong) to peacefully protest. It seems to me that it's mostly people who never served (or who actively dodged the draft, like 45) who react like rabid animals to a man's peaceful protest. Edited August 28, 2017 by mannc

[SectionC3]

Great post. It's funny how many people who actually served don't have a problem with Kaepernick's protest, because they understand that (1) they served to protect a country and its ideals, not a flag or a song, and (2) one of the things they fought for was to protect the rights of people like kaepernick (right or wrong) to peacefully protest. It seems to me that it's mostly people who never served (or who actively dodged the draft, like 45) who like react like rabid animals to a man's peaceful protest.

Well said. I'll add that maybe the flag means different things to different people. And that's ok. Just like it's ok to disagree about whether Kaep is done as an NFL QB.

[mannc]

Unfortunately with Kaep it's not a talent thing it's a distraction thing.

 

I'm guessing this is exactly the rationale a lot of Major League Baseball teams used to avoid signing Jackie Robinson.

[bobobonators]

 

I'm sure the Trump circlejerk forum will happily explain why a picture depicting a black man with a crosshair across his chest is not racist

Hes half white.

[HumbleAndHungry]

Yea I've been around veterans and active military people that have differing opinions on the matter and that's ok. I guess it comes down to personal belief. I respect the protest just think it's a poor choice in platform

Edited August 28, 2017 by Finkle Is Einhorn

[SectionC3]

I'm guessing this is exactly the rationale a lot of Major League Baseball teams used to avoid signing Jackie Robinson.

That might be extreme. Initally I would have agreed with you. The snide part of me might have added that for a birdbrain like Marcel dareus a small shiny object is sufficiently distracting and, given the plethora of such things, adding Kaep to the mix wouldn't have much if a negative effect. But I am coming around to the idea that the extra media attention, and the debate that would occur near.y every day, would negatively affect the workplace. In other words, while the attention might be for the "wrong" reasons, I sort of agree with shady on the distraction point.

Edited August 28, 2017 by SectionC3

[bobobonators]

 

Buffalo has the second-highest childhood poverty rate in America

 

I'm glad you can go have a beer at Canalside and buy tickets for the Bills games, but most of the city lives in crippling poverty

 

Stop trying to make it about *my family* or *America* or *law enforcement* - can't we all agree that black people are disadvantaged? Or should black people who speak out get their face on t-shirts with gun cross-hairs over their chests?

Again, Kaep is half white.

If Kaep comes to buffalo Im ok with it.

[mannc]

I respect the protest just think it's a poor choice in platform

Nothing wrong with that opinion. What I have a problem with is those who would deny him his right to make a living or suggest that he should leave this country.

That might be extreme. Initally I would have agreed with you. The snide part of me might have added that for a birdbrain like Marcel dareus a small shiny object is sufficiently distracting and, given the plethora of such things, adding Kaep to the mix wouldn't have much if a negative effect. But I am coming around to the idea that the extra media attention, and the debate that would occur near.y every day, would negatively affect the workplace. In other words, while the attention might be for the "wrong" reasons, I sort of agree with shady on the distraction point.

Shady's I'll-advised statement notwithstanding, if I had to guess, I would bet that most NFL players, 70 percent of whom are AA, support Kaep and his stance, although they might hesitate to say so publicly. Edited August 28, 2017 by mannc

[Boatdrinks]

Buffalo has the second-highest childhood poverty rate in America

 

I'm glad you can go have a beer at Canalside and buy tickets for the Bills games, but most of the city lives in crippling poverty

 

Stop trying to make it about *my family* or *America* or *law enforcement* - can't we all agree that black people are disadvantaged? Or should black people who speak out get their face on t-shirts with gun cross-hairs over their chests?

Well Spurna, you really should hang out on PP&P. I'm pretty sure CK claimed he was " protesting " for black people who were shot by Police and were not armed at the time. Although it's a complicated issue and I'm afraid he either didn't research the cases or have all the facts it's remains largely a false narrative and he's misguided. He also didn't claim to be " protesting" for all people shot in these circumstances, just those who were black. Research it and make up your own mind. As to your statement about poverty, I'd say it's generally a bad idea to have children if one cannot afford to take care of them. That is universal, doesn't matter what race you are. It's a shame that people are so irresponsible to bring children into the world when they cannot even support themselves. It's best to focus on self improvement through education, hard work etc and getting a job where you can support yourself. Then possibly think about children if one can afford such things. Children are a huge responsibility and they cost money. I don't feel one ounce of guilt if I go to Canalside and enjoy some beers and a Bills game . Maybe a dinner , whatever. America is a great place that affords us all a chance to work and afford things that we want. If we want more, we can work harder and get a higher paying job. That holds true for Colin Kaepernick or someone like me, or whoever. If anyone is ever in a situation where they are pulled over or confronted by law enforcement , they should do as exactly as instructed. It doesn't matter even if one didn't do anything wrong, it is always a potential life or death situation for the Officer and therefore for any of us. Some may think it's cool to resist or not cooperate but they are taking their life into their own hands because the Officer has to assume if you don't follow instructions and or make a sudden move that you are going to try to kill them. It's just how it has to be. It's no disrespect , but it's the only way to ensure everyone stays safe the vast majority of the time. It's" cool" in some segments of society to be against Police and that is a huge part of the problem.

Anyway, keep this forum for football and visit PP&P from time to time.

To be fair, nobody has responded to the Nate Boyer point. He's the vet (and JAG long snapper) who, if memory serves, came up with the compromise protest. I appreciate that Boyer doesn't protest himself, but he arguably created the pose. So why no animus toward him?

I don't know who he is. Quite possibly because he doesn't " protest" and therefore isn't crammed down my throat as some sort of idealist by the media that I expect to cover sporting events. If he did " protest" , I know I would feel the same " animus" toward him that I do toward the others. I don't care what race he is or what team he plays for. Edited August 28, 2017 by Boatdrinks

[4merper4mer]

I'm guessing this is exactly the rationale a lot of Major League Baseball teams used to avoid signing Jackie Robinson.

On what planet does Kaep resemble Jackie Robinson?

[bobobonators]

Nothing wrong with that opinion. What I have a problem with is those who would deny him his right to make a living or suggest that he should leave this country.

To be completely fair, Kaep can still make a living in this country; however, nobody has a right to play in the NFL. It, like any other high-paying, high-profile job is a privilege. The second Kaep decided to make a social/political statement, while on the job, he jeopardized that privilege. Call it unfair but its reality.

[Boatdrinks]

Nothing wrong with that opinion. What I have a problem with is those who would deny him his right to make a living or suggest that he should leave this country.Shady's I'll-advised statement notwithstanding, if I had to guess, I would bet that most NFL players, 70 percent of whom are AA, support Kaep and his stance, although they might hesitate to say so publicly.

Mann, there was nothing ill advised about Shady's comments. I found them refreshing and candid. No one is denying CK his right to make a living. I'm pretty sure he could get a job doing something other than playing in the NFL. Maybe even in the NFL as a backup but we don't know if he would take that job. He opted out of his contract with SF after all. That was a choice. There is also nothing wrong with anyone suggesting maybe he would be happier elsewhere in a Country that meets his standards. That is a legitimate opinion. At least as valid as CKs .

[pi2000]

People always ask me about Kaepernick, It's fantastic. Let me tell you about Kaepernick. I know everything about Kaepernick. I love Kaepernick. No one loves Kaepernick more than me, BELIEVE ME.

[mannc]

On what planet does Kaep resemble Jackie Robinson?

Read what I wrote. Kaepernick is unsigned in large part because teams don't want to deal with the controversy, which is the same reason (along with blatant racism) that Jackie Robinson did not get a chance in MLB until he was almost 30 years old.

[Dr.Sack]

If the Bills FO was truly interested in having a quarterback competition they would have Kaepernick on the roster over Yates.

 

And that goes for most NFL clubs that don't have a perennial All-Pro. I'd say the bottom 12 teams #21-32 should have Kaepernick on the roster competing for a roster spot.

 

The idea that Kaepernick is not afforded the opportunity to compete for a job shows how weak the NFL and their corporate sponsors have become to the vocal minority, I'd put it at 40%, who hate Kaepernick with a passion. It's rather ironic as these are the same people who throw the term "snowflake", "cuck", and political-correctness around like they're going out of style.

 

So congratulations vocal minority. You are the same people who seem to have no issue with white nationalists first amendment right to protest and carry Nazi & Confederate flags. Imagine if Kaepernick carried an equivalent flag of hate like the ISIS flag. I imagine your heads would explode.

 

I'll close with a question, if Tim Tebow had the same career so far as Kaepernick and decided to do the same protest by kneeling to pray and protest the treatment of black society would he be on a NFL roster?

Edited August 28, 2017 by Dr.Sack

[Boatdrinks]

I'm guessing this is exactly the rationale a lot of Major League Baseball teams used to avoid signing Jackie Robinson.

That's a tough comparison when you consider that majority of NFL players are black. A far cry from Robinson era MLB

[Spurna]

It's a shame that people are so irresponsible to bring children into the world when they cannot even support themselves. It's best to focus on self improvement through education, hard work etc and getting a job where you can support yourself. Then possibly think about children if one can afford such things.

 

Ah yes, let the people born into nothing with no support system and no education just "bootstrap" themselves out of poverty

 

Let me guess - you're a white baby boomer

[mannc]

To be completely fair, Kaep can still make a living in this country; however, nobody has a right to play in the NFL. It, like any other high-paying, high-profile job is a privilege. The second Kaep decided to make a social/political statement, while on the job, he jeopardized that privilege. Call it unfair but its reality.

He has a RIGHT to compete for a job in the NFL based on his talent and not be discriminated against for exercising his rights under the first amendment. I'm pretty sure that right is granted to him under the CBA and by the law in many states.

That's a tough comparison when you consider that majority of NFL players are black. A far cry from Robinson era MLB

Never mind. You missed the point.

[Boatdrinks]

If the Bills FO was truly interested in having a quarterback competition they would have Kaepernick on the roster over Yates.

And that goes for most NFL clubs that don't have a perennial All-Pro. I'd say the bottom 12 teams #21-32 should have Kaepernick on the roster competing for a roster spot.

The idea that Kaepernick is not afforded the opportunity to compete for a job shows how weak the NFL and their corporate sponsors have become to the vocal minority, I'd put it at 40%, who hate Kaepernick with a passion. It's rather ironic as these are the same people who throw the term "snowflake", "cuck", and political-correctness around like there going out of style.

So congratulations vocal minority. You are the same people who seem to have no issue with white nationalists first amendment right to protest and carry Nazi & Confederate flags. Imagine if Kaepernick carried an equivalent flag of hate like the ISIS flag. I imagine your heads would explode.

I'd actually have no problem with CK carrying an ISIS flag. I have no problem with White nationalists or whatever carrying the flags they carry. I don't respect their views but they can carry their flags. I would still have no respect for him as a person , but I'd have no problem with his right to carry that flag. Of course I doubt he would be in the NFL if he did . How is what the CEOs are doing with Trump any different than the NFL ? It's business not personal. They are surely caving to a vocal minority. If CK just waved a flag on a street corner or worse some T shirt in the locker room then fine. I still think he is misguided and doesn't know all the facts, but at least he's not disrespecting the country, the military, the police etc.

[dave mcbride]

I am 100 percent fine with him.

[Spurna]

I still think he is misguided and doesn't know all the facts, but at least he's not disrespecting the country, the military, the police etc.

 

Do you cry into your beer and get a boner when the Bills trot out the amputee vets at every home game and play "God Bless the USA"?

[xRUSHx]

I'd rather see Peterman start, Tyrod traded and a call to Denver for Kelly. Let the season ride and draft big next season for a QB while having Kelly and Peterman with a year on the team in this system. We dont have a playoff team Kap will not help this team why pick up a QB with the same type of talent as Tyrod. No thanks