26CornerBlitz Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I'd rather see them sign RG3 then trade Dareus for Osweiler So you want RG3 and Osweiler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 So you want RG3 and Osweiler? I cleared it up for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 Go listen to Dareus' interview about what happened. Go ahead, pin your hopes on this idiot. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when the next time he screws up. This guy is immature and just doesn't get, he doesn't take responsibility or have any kind remorse for his behavior. Love his play, hate his attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Go listen to Dareus' interview about what happened. Go ahead, pin your hopes on this idiot. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when the next time he screws up. This guy is immature and just doesn't get, he doesn't take responsibility or have any kind remorse for his behavior. Love his play, hate his attitude. Yeah, but a trade for Osweiler? Ludicrous idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 For what it's worth, trade cap hits are listed wrong on the cap sites. They are figured early on as though the player would be traded earlier in the off season, and then aren't updated since there's so many players and so few of them traded at this point. Cap acceleration for prorated bonuses are figured the same way for a trade as they are for a player who's cut. That means the cap acceleration for a trade happening now would be treated just like a post June 1st cut (but without the cap hit for the guaranteed salary). MD currently has $20.6 mil of prorated bonuses remaining. Contrary to popular belief, with the post June 1st transaction that number isn't automatically split evenly between this year and next year. The process for post June 1st acceleration calls for the current season's proration to remain as is, then the remaining years to be accelerated into the following year. That would leave MD's dead cap figures as follows- 2017 - $6.65 mil dead cap ($6.4 mil + $250,000 already paid as workout bonus -- $9.45 mil less than his current cap charge) 2018 - $14.20 million dead cap ($2.08 mil less than his 2018 cap charge) Any team trading for him would inherit - 2017 - $9.75 mil salary (fully guaranteed) 2018 - $9.925 mil salary ($7.35 mil guaranteed) + $250,000 workout bonus 2019 - 2021 - Salaries, roster and workout bonuses stay the same but he can be cut after 2018 with no dead cap. Now you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 For what it's worth, trade cap hits are listed wrong on the cap sites. They are figured early on as though the player would be traded earlier in the off season, and then aren't updated since there's so many players and so few of them traded at this point. Cap acceleration for prorated bonuses are figured the same way for a trade as they are for a player who's cut. That means the cap acceleration for a trade happening now would be treated just like a post June 1st cut (but without the cap hit for the guaranteed salary). MD currently has $20.6 mil of prorated bonuses remaining. Contrary to popular belief, with the post June 1st transaction that number isn't automatically split evenly between this year and next year. The process for post June 1st acceleration calls for the current season's proration to remain as is, then the remaining years to be accelerated into the following year. That would leave MD's dead cap figures as follows- 2017 - $6.65 mil dead cap ($6.4 mil + $250,000 already paid as workout bonus -- $9.45 mil less than his current cap charge) 2018 - $14.20 million dead cap ($2.08 mil less than his 2018 cap charge) Any team trading for him would inherit - 2017 - $9.75 mil salary (fully guaranteed) 2018 - $9.925 mil salary ($7.35 mil guaranteed) + $250,000 workout bonus 2019 - 2021 - Salaries, roster and workout bonuses stay the same but he can be cut after 2018 with no dead cap. Now you know. Thank you! Finally somebody answered the question! Let me be clear, my main point is this isn't about the players, not even really about the dollars but more so about the money for the slotted positions involved and the dependability of the person. If these massive contracts can be exchanged then maybe it makes more sense to pay a QB big money vs a DT, especially a DT that is 1 strike away from a big time suspension and doesn't show any kind of growth from his past actions. Who knows, maybe Osweiler could improve enough to where he could be more marketable, especially being under an OC/scheme that he has some familiarity with. As far as Dareus goes I just think that sooner or later we are gonna take it on the chin with this guy and end up with nothing. Keep in mind, this regime has no responsibility with Dareus and his contract, this can and will be all blamed on Whaley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I'd rather have a very good DT that happens to be a pain in the a$$ than a crappy QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Yeah, but a trade for Osweiler? Ludicrous idea. Thank you. I wouldn't give a bag of used tape for Osweiler. It's ridiculous to even suggest giving away Dareus for the dumpster fire that is Brock Osweiler and the OP is getting defensive because people are calling him out for yet another hot take which may be the most lame to date. This board has gone off the rails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Thank you! Finally somebody answered the question! Let me be clear, my main point is this isn't about the players, not even really about the dollars but more so about the money for the slotted positions involved and the dependability of the person. If these massive contracts can be exchanged then maybe it makes more sense to pay a QB big money vs a DT, especially a DT that is 1 strike away from a big time suspension and doesn't show any kind of growth from his past actions. Who knows, maybe Osweiler could improve enough to where he could be more marketable, especially being under an OC/scheme that he has some familiarity with. As far as Dareus goes I just think that sooner or later we are gonna take it on the chin with this guy and end up with nothing. Keep in mind, this regime has no responsibility with Dareus and his contract, this can and will be all blamed on Whaley. I didn't say we could swap contracts. That's just the figures for MD's dead money. Taking on Osweiler would add $16 mil this year and $18 mil next year on top of those dead cap figures. That would be a total cap charge of $22.65 mil this year and $32.2 mil next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I looked up their contract details but it's so detailed I couldn't make heads or tails out of it. If so Cleveland would have to cough up other compensation but I'm wondering if the numbers could be worked out if so. As dumb as meatball is there is no way I'm trading him for Oz. Oh boy! We have a new rival to Mario for Skelton. I knew I would get out of that some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I thought I was crazy. OP is on wayy too many mind altering substances. Dump a bonafide superstar DL talent for a bag of trash that cant beat out a rookie for the starting job after getting his shot and playing under Peyton Manning for years? HELLLLLL NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 This a silly trade. Brock is a bad QB. Marcel is a idiot but a talented player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 Thank you. I wouldn't give a bag of used tape for Osweiler. It's ridiculous to even suggest giving away Dareus for the dumpster fire that is Brock Osweiler and the OP is getting defensive because people are calling him out for yet another hot take which may be the most lame to date. This board has gone off the rails. I didn't mean to sound like I was getting defensive, I was only trying to explain the basis of the concept. Osweiler was only a small part of it, it was more of getting out from under Dareus' contract if they could. Well, I said enough and I see that I'm not welcomed around here anymore. I guess it's time just to be a spectator from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Now that Brock's been cut how do we make this deal?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Now that Brock's been cut how do we make this deal?!? Just give Dareus to Cleveland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 So you want RG3 and Osweiler? ...I'd rather be on the Titanic......even Waste Management wouldn't pick those two up at the curb on Mondays......are we THAT desperate?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 ...I'd rather be on the Titanic......even Waste Management wouldn't pick those two up at the curb on Mondays......are we THAT desperate?..... I would think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Oh, this thread is spectacular. I'm pretty sure Osweiler will be going down the same path as Johnny Football, Tebow, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 This board went to **** as soon as BuffaloBills.com shut down there's. It's amazing how football ignorant some are. You were over there too dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Osweiler is one of those few guys that manages to be in the right place at the right time. Made a big pile of money with thimbleful of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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