Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) Maybe if if restructured his deal There's not much to restructure - all he has left are base salaries. 4 million of 2018 is guaranteed if he's on the roster at the start of the league year. If he's not you suffer 0 dead cap. If it helps net me an extra 3rd so i can cut holmes - I'm in. Basically buying a pick, and he has shown he can be a player in the past... he's literally a 4th year WR. Edited August 23, 2017 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Nah- he's just about as productive as that Watkins guy they just let go of... not worth the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Nah- he's just about as productive as that Watkins guy they just let go of... not worth the money if he can be had for a late round pick - maybe a 2019 conditional - i'd say to consider it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) Cap hits are 6.9, 7.9 and 9.5 over the rest of the deal if you decide to keep him. Only his 2017 salary is fully guaranteed, so its basically a 1 year 7 million deal. No bonuses in 2018-2020, and only half of 2018 is guaranteed if he's on your roster to start the league years. So it can be essentially 2 years 14 million. Hes 25, has a 1000 yard season... I'd do a deal for a very low pick considering our depth and the fact that it ensures we can cut holmes and net the 3rd round comp pick. Would basically net say a 3rd + Hurns + cash for a 4th or probably later + Holmes... Those numbers aren't bad. I'm not all that familiar with him but a 1000 yard season with probably a garbage QB is a good stat line. So much consternation over paying guys on this board. I wonder if many of them have checked NFL salaries in the last few years. Our WRs are kind of crap right now. Might be worth a look. Edited August 23, 2017 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Cap hits are 6.9, 7.9 and 9.5 over the rest of the deal if you decide to keep him. Only his 2017 salary is fully guaranteed, so its basically a 1 year 7 million deal. No bonuses in 2018-2020, and only half of 2018 is guaranteed if he's on your roster to start the league years. So it can be essentially 2 years 14 million. Hes 25, has a 1000 yard season... I'd do a deal for a very low pick considering our depth and the fact that it ensures we can cut holmes and net the 3rd round comp pick. Would basically net say a 3rd + Hurns + cash for a 4th or probably later + Holmes... Excellent points. I would love to derail this half-ass tank job just not sure The Hirtman is the answer. Trading Watkins without gutting the rest of the roster just doesn't compute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 I like Hurns, only issue is concussions. But you could get him for a 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 You got Zay over Holmes? Who's jordan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-jaguars-wr-allen-hurns-potentially-on-trading-block Yes, please! Someone "guesses" this? Do it. Only asking later round pick? I'd give a 4th for him CBF Here we have someone speculating they could trade him to NE for a first. https://blackandteal.com/2017/03/06/jacksonville-jaguars-trade-allen-hurns-if-new-england-wants-to-acquire-a-receiver/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 You got Zay over Holmes? yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) if he can be had for a late round pick - maybe a 2019 conditional - i'd say to consider it. Ok- he's faster than boldin anyway, and beane does need to prove he's not tanking. Why not! Edited August 23, 2017 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Lots of Jags fans like him and don't want to see him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 $10 mil a season for one good year I'll pass If its one year why not spend it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 $10 mil a season for one good year I'll pass Look at his contract. It is a one year deal essentially Cap hits are 6.9, 7.9 and 9.5 over the rest of the deal if you decide to keep him. Only his 2017 salary is fully guaranteed, so its basically a 1 year 7 million deal. No bonuses in 2018-2020, and only half of 2018 is guaranteed if he's on your roster to start the league years. So it can be essentially 2 years 14 million. Hes 25, has a 1000 yard season... I'd do a deal for a very low pick considering our depth and the fact that it ensures we can cut holmes and net the 3rd round comp pick. Would basically net say a 3rd + Hurns + cash for a 4th or probably later + Holmes... It is a real good contract to trade for. It is a series if one year deals with no dead cap on the exit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Also you improve your 5th round pick you trade for Hurns. It allows you to cut Holmes and gain a third. So the trade would really be Holmes and a 5th Get Hurns and a 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Look at his contract. It is a one year deal essentially It is a real good contract to trade for. It is a series if one year deals with no dead cap on the exit Most trades are relatively like that since the signing bonus stays with the former team and you don't see guarantees stretch deep into a deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Most trades are relatively like that since the signing bonus stays with the former team and you don't see guarantees stretch deep into a deal Unless there is big guaranteed bases or roster bonuses ala Dareus. This is a very tradable contract and a pay as you go WR. Would be an upgrade to Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Excellent points. I would love to derail this half-ass tank job just not sure The Hirtman is the answer. Trading Watkins without gutting the rest of the roster just doesn't compute. The Bills were a top 10 scoring offense last year with Sammy only playing half a season and having fewer yards than Matthews did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 His contract isn't bad at all considering what they are paying the WR group overall right now. I'd do it with a 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Moulds on my A** Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 I'd rather have DeDe Westbrook, I think his potential is the reason for Hurns being in he block. I'd take Hurns though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 The Bills were a top 10 scoring offense last year with Sammy only playing half a season and having fewer yards than Matthews did. Different offense......previous two seasons the offense was predicated around big plays, lead the NFL in them. The new offense is likely to be more methodical in nature.......completely different "possession" receiving corps......lost about 20 TD's of production between departed playmakers.......McCoy, Clay, Wood and Incognito are a year older........there are a lot of factors that have changed. Bottom line.........with Taylor back it's still possible that they can run the ball with great efficiency regardless of who is carrying the ball and still make big plays in the pass game........it's just not as likely without the WR talent to stretch the field there to keep those safeties out of the box. Especially if they plan to have a fullback in most of the time.......which guarantees extra personnel and congestion near the LOS. The big play nature of the Bills run game last year was mainly due to the yards before contact. Drawing more bodies into the box to gain a fullback? Well, he's spoda be very good I guess. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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