thebandit27 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Can Jordan Matthews (or any other current Bills' WR) impact defenses even when he's not getting the ball? Nope! Well, first Matthews needs to drag his injury-prone a$$ onto the field and stop being such a kitty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Can Jordan Matthews (or any other current Bills' WR) impact defenses even when he's not getting the ball? Nope! Jordan Matthews, and Boldin, are among the best blocking WR's in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Were all of you whiners in this thread Doug Whaley fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 He's certainly physical. He's good at beating the jam -- the most important "physical" component of being a WR in the NFL. great comp. I've been following training camp reports, and he is apparently the best player out there right now. This trade was so dumb ... Weak post. I wish this forum had a like button for the posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Well, first Matthews needs to drag his injury-prone a$$ onto the field and stop being such a kitty. Yep! But the point was reinforced after listening to Les Snead's PFT Live interview where he discussed how they see Sammy impacting their entire offense with Austin and Gurley as two of the primary beneficiaries of his presence on the field. Jordan Matthews, and Boldin, are among the best blocking WR's in the game. That's a good thing for sure, but can either dictate coverages to create room for other players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) Jordan Matthews, and Boldin, are among the best blocking WR's in the game. Boldin for sure...can you show me an example with Matthews? It's not something that I've noticed is why I'm asking. Also, that's not really the point. Sammy is a WR that opposing DCs need to game plan against--Matthews/Boldin are not. Edited August 17, 2017 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Jordan Matthews, and Boldin, are among the best blocking WR's in the game. The primary job of WR in the NFL is playing WR, not throwing blocks in the run game. It's not unimportant, but it's without a doubt secondary and arguably even tertiary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Don't worry it won't be long until this offense is bogged down my 8 man fronts and over aggressive safeties because the Bills have zero down the field threats. Then once old man Boldin goes hobbling off it will be up to a rookie and JMaTT. I think Watkins is a Summers Eve but they needed him. He finally looks healthy and off he goes to LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Don't worry it won't be long until this offense is bogged down my 8 man fronts and over aggressive safeties because the Bills have zero down the field threats. Then once old man Boldin goes hobbling off it will be up to a rookie and JMaTT. I think Watkins is a Summers Eve but they needed him. He finally looks healthy and off he goes to LA. I'd love to see you tough it through a broken foot and other injuries to pay at the NFL level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 That's a good thing for sure, but can either dictate coverages to create room for other players? At this point in his career, I'm not ready to say that Matthews can't do that. And I'm certainly not ready to say that Zay can't. I feel like the "terrible" trade crowd is arguing with themselves in this thread. Keep throwing out stats about how great Sammy is. Great. I agree, as do most people with two eyes. The real question is about team building. I don't think it's crazy not to think that paying an elite #1 receiver big money, if he would even sign beyond the franchise tag, is the best idea for a team in our situation. Save the cap space, and accumulate picks, and give us the flexibility to go after what really matter- a franchise QB. Yes, you can try to do both, but the having more picks and more cap space just increases your odds. Plus, you can't pay everyone. Lets go over the best receivers in the game, again- OBJ Julio Brown Green Hopkins Dez How many championships? You can do this exercise with greats going back to Megatron, Moss, and TO. Elite WR's are great to have, and yes, good players are better to have than bad players, but great receivers alone just don't move the needle that much. Especially when you have to decide how to spend your limited resources. And double especially on a run first team without an established franchise QB employing a WCO horizontal attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 great comp. I've been following training camp reports, and he is apparently the best player out there right now. This trade was so dumb ... Just be glad Beane was at least smart enough to trade him to a team the Bills won't see but once every four years (or the Super Bowl). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Just be glad Beane was at least smart enough to trade him to a team the Bills won't see but once every four years (or the Super Bowl). True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 At this point in his career, I'm not ready to say that Matthews can't do that. And I'm certainly not ready to say that Zay can't. I feel like the "terrible" trade crowd is arguing with themselves in this thread. Keep throwing out stats about how great Sammy is. Great. I agree, as do most people with two eyes. The real question is about team building. I don't think it's crazy not to think that paying an elite #1 receiver big money, if he would even sign beyond the franchise tag, is the best idea for a team in our situation. Save the cap space, and accumulate picks, and give us the flexibility to go after what really matter- a franchise QB. Yes, you can try to do both, but the having more picks and more cap space just increases your odds. Plus, you can't pay everyone. Lets go over the best receivers in the game, again- OBJ Julio Brown Green Hopkins Dez How many championships? You can do this exercise with greats going back to Megatron, Moss, and TO. Elite WR's are great to have, and yes, good players are better to have than bad players, but great receivers alone just don't move the needle that much. Especially when you have to decide how to spend your limited resources. And double especially on a run first team without an established franchise QB employing a WCO horizontal attack. If the argument is that they aren't going to use him, and therefore he wasn't worth what he wants to be paid, then at least the trade makes sense on its face. The implication of that, however, is quite disturbing: the team does not feel that a WR of Watkins' caliber is part of assembling a championship team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Boldin for sure...can you show me an example with Matthews? It's not something that I've noticed is why I'm asking. Also, that's not really the point. Sammy is a WR that opposing DCs need to game plan against--Matthews/Boldin are not. I'll try to find the stuff I've read on it. I was responding to impacting a game without getting the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) Were all of you whiners in this thread Doug Whaley fans? Leroi always used to say Sammy was soft (called him Samantha) and that was even when Whaley was still here. He did or still works there and I always hoped it was just his personal opinion and not that of the organization. He posted about it multiple times. That he had to prove he wasn't soft, etc. Just saying I think it goes back further than what the new HC and GM think. Could be ownership. Or, both FOs saw the same thing. Edited August 17, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Your losing credibility by the post... I suggest you stop for a little while. This is pretty much the definition of irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Your losing credibility by the post... I suggest you stop for a little while. How did you even get that post, I stopped before I finished and deleted it because I decided it wasn't worth it... Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) Leroi always used to say Sammy was soft (called him Samantha) and that was even when Whaley was still here. He did or still works there and I always hoped it was just his personal opinion and not that of the organization. He posted about it multiple times. That he had to prove he wasn't soft, etc. Just saying I think it goes back further than what the new HC and GM think. Could be ownership. Or, both FOs saw the same thing.Interesting to ewad what might be an inside perspective of what people in the org thought of Sammy pre Sean and Beane. Thats remarkable if the braintrust that drafted him took that stance as well. Edited August 17, 2017 by Bill_with_it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Interesting to ewad what might be an inside perspective of what people in the org thought of Sammy pre Sean and Beane. Thats remarkable if the braintrust that drafted him took that stance as well.i used to cringe every time he posted about Sammy. I was like "!@#$ that's not good. Hope that's false" but he was pretty consistent about it. Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 i used to cringe every time he posted about Sammy. I was like "!@#$ that's not good. Hope that's false" but he was pretty consistent about it. Who knows.Is he still around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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