San-O Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 1. Had anyone on this board heard of him prior to Bills signing. 2. Why do they think he is a legit # 2? 3. BY one report, his dropped passes in training camp are becoming an issue. 4. What happens if/when Watkins goes down? 5. Was this a Whaley signing? http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14403/andre-holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 I personally am not optimistic about him. Reports when he came is was he drops a lot of passes and that has proven to be true so far in camp. Hope they sign Boldin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Can't catch clean... Could always stay on the roster as a big RZ decoy, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 1. Had anyone on this board heard of him prior to Bills signing. 2. Why do they think he is a legit # 2? 3. BY one report, his dropped passes in training camp are becoming an issue. 4. What happens if/when Watkins goes down? 5. Was this a Whaley signing? http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14403/andre-holmes One has to wonder how many balls he has to drop before he starts to slide down the depth chart. He certainly has fallen behind expectations. It would be nice to have a reliable 6'4" WR. If only Lewis had reliable hands! And, why did we let Hunter walk? (Other than that he couldn't?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share Posted August 5, 2017 One has to wonder how many balls he has to drop before he starts to slide down the depth chart. He certainly has fallen behind expectations. It would be nice to have a reliable 6'4" WR. If only Lewis had reliable hands! And, why did we let Hunter walk? (Other than that he couldn't?) That's kind of one of the issues IMO: Zay Jones has never caught an NFL pass. He would have to move UP if Holmes can't catch or if Sammy goes down, or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 That's kind of one of the issues IMO: Zay Jones has never caught an NFL pass. He would have to move UP if Holmes can't catch or if Sammy goes down, or both. Jones has gone by Holmes. The plan was never for him to be behind Holmes. He has never caught an NFL pass but has caught more passes than any player in college football history (399). He wasn't a project. He's a guy coming in day one as a starter. It's the rest of the guys that are an issue. Streater may go by Holmes as may others. Holmes will be a part-time player here and if Boldin is signed he is fighting for a roster spot IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Jones has gone by Holmes. The plan was never for him to be behind Holmes. He has never caught an NFL pass but has caught more passes than any player in college football history (399). He wasn't a project. He's a guy coming in day one as a starter. It's the rest of the guys that are an issue. Streater may go by Holmes as may others. Holmes will be a part-time player here and if Boldin is signed he is fighting for a roster spot IMO. ....Boldin won't sign......he'll wait for bigger money when an injury comes along and a club in need expands its checkbook..his last chance to cash IMO....Holmes will serve as decent depth................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 ....Boldin won't sign......he'll wait for bigger money when an injury comes along and a club in need expands its checkbook..his last chance to cash IMO....Holmes will serve as decent depth................. I don't disagree. He's made a good bit of money too. I don't see the Bills situation and small money swaying him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 I don't disagree. He's made a good bit of money too. I don't see the Bills situation and small money swaying him. ...so get your pads outta the garage bro............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Holmes and his drops have been an issue and that's unfortunate. I was never really high on him but I do hold hope for Streater and Shorts. Really think these kids crack the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re enlightener Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Holmes and his drops have been an issue and that's unfortunate. I was never really high on him but I do hold hope for Streater and Shorts. Really think these kids crack the roster. REALLY? THATS CRAZY....LIKE USING BOLD FOR YOUR POST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Holmes and his drops have been an issue and that's unfortunate. I was never really high on him but I do hold hope for Streater and Shorts. Really think these kids crack the roster. I'd be surprised now if Streater didn't make the 53. I think Shorts is more of a dark horse, still. But, I love the way he has preached TC, developing a chemistry with Peterman, first, and getting himself noticed. Really hope he succeeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 1. Had anyone on this board heard of him prior to Bills signing. 2. Why do they think he is a legit # 2? 3. BY one report, his dropped passes in training camp are becoming an issue. 4. What happens if/when Watkins goes down? 5. Was this a Whaley signing? http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14403/andre-holmes 1 - Yes, of course. I wondered why they signed Crabtree a number of years ago when they had Holmes and drafted Cooper. Looking at the numbers though, you can see why. 99 targets and only 47 receptions. Not a great ratio. 2 - Who is "they"? I didn't hear any of the front office or coaching staff tell us right out of the gate that he's a #2. As far as I know, he was going to compete for playing time like everyone else. 3 - Drops in camp are the same as spectacular plays in camp. Don't care now and won't care ever. He doesn't have a great record for catches in gametime though, and that does matter. Hey, did you know who else had a lot of drops? Robert Woods. 4 - If Watkins goes down the same thing happens as the last two years. Other guys play. There's probably better depth on this team now than with Woods and Hogan. Zay Jones is better than any #2 that we've had the last two years as well, at least as far as I've seen. Bigger target, better route runner and better hands. 5 - Don't know who signed him or wanted him and don't care. Not relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBud420 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 He is number 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 REALLY? THATS CRAZY....LIKE USING BOLD FOR YOUR POST Problem? He used bold because he is right. Both players are showing promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) He is number 2 assuming Watkins and Jones are 1a and 1b. And he still might not be a 2 by the end of camp. Edited August 5, 2017 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 I'd be surprised now if Streater didn't make the 53. I think Shorts is more of a dark horse, still. But, I love the way he has preached TC, developing a chemistry with Peterman, first, and getting himself noticed. Really hope he succeeds. What have you personally seen Streater do in TC that makes you think this is the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 What have you personally seen Streater do in TC that makes you think this is the case? Well, I live on the West Coast, so, I have seen nothing. I'm just going by camp reports, and McDermott's statements, including that Streater has been "one of the highlights of camp, so far." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Well, I live on the West Coast, so, I have seen nothing. I'm just going by camp reports, and McDermott's statements, including that Streater has been "one of the highlights of camp, so far." Oh, you are saying he will make it? Misread by me. I have seen him and am impressed with him and Shorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 When on the field with Raiders was open a ton. His issue has been and seems like it continues to be he cant catch a cold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Yes, when Holmes was signed some people were excited but I had posted that my friends that are Raiders fans said he was frustrating because he'd make a great leaping catch and then drop an easy one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 When on the field with Raiders was open a ton. His issue has been and seems like it continues to be he cant catch a cold So...what good is a WR that can't catch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Yes, when Holmes was signed some people were excited but I had posted that my friends that are Raiders fans said he was frustrating because he'd make a great leaping catch and then drop an easy one. That is pure concentration issues. Can be fixed. However doesnt seem it with his drop rate so far in camp So...what good is a WR that can't catch? Concentration issues (really what he has) can be fixed. The talent is there not to try and fix the drop issues for cheap (like we got him) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 So...what good is a WR that can't catch? about as good as a toilet that doesn't flush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 about as good as a toilet that doesn't flush. Sounds pretty crappy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 That is pure concentration issues. Can be fixed. However doesnt seem it with his drop rate so far in camp Concentration issues (really what he has) can be fixed. The talent is there not to try and fix the drop issues for cheap (like we got him) his drop rate isn't the issue. It's that he's dropping balls that hot him in the hands. I keep reading reports that he's #2 but then hear he's also dropping stuff. Either the reports are wrong in the rest is the receivers are ****.Sounds pretty crappy crappy for sure, almost ****ty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) his drop rate isn't the issue. It's that he's dropping balls that hot him in the hands. I keep reading reports that he's #2 but then hear he's also dropping stuff. Either the reports are wrong in the rest is the receivers are ****. crappy for sure, almost ****ty. Again so it is drop rates. "Hitting in Hands" is also relative in reports. Example somone that has a pretty big catch radius (he does) will get his hands on alot of Balls. So a report from someone that wants to protect a QB will say drop hit him in the hands, however somone watching that doesnt want to protect QB will say yea hit him in the hands but the ball was also was behind. But WR should catch what gets hands on. See relative If coaches still have him as No 2 at this point they are seeing something with him dispite the twitter and MB reports of drops. I by no means are fans of this WR group after Sammy and Zay but i also know the accuracy and timing issues of this QB Edited August 6, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 REALLY? THATS CRAZY....LIKE USING BOLD FOR YOUR POST Didn't mean to type in bold, was typing on my cell. Wasn't trying to offend if taken as such, it's not like used caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykaykay Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 That is pure concentration issues. Can be fixed. However doesnt seem it with his drop rate so far in camp Concentration issues (really what he has) can be fixed. The talent is there not to try and fix the drop issues for cheap (like we got him) He has been catching/dropping passes since he was 14 years old. Why hasn't he concentrated during this time ? Nothing is going to change. I think that coaches just like his size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 He has been catching/dropping passes since he was 14 years old. Why hasn't he concentrated during this time ? Nothing is going to change. I think that coaches just like his size. CoacheSo may not be that impressed...they are still shopping for a wr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PABillsfan23 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 If Streater beats him out I'd imagine Holmes would be cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Didn't mean to type in bold, was typing on my cell. Wasn't trying to offend if taken as such, it's not like used caps. Don't even worry about that guy. That's the most insightful thing he has posted, maybe ever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 1. Had anyone on this board heard of him prior to Bills signing. 2. Why do they think he is a legit # 2? 3. BY one report, his dropped passes in training camp are becoming an issue. 4. What happens if/when Watkins goes down? 5. Was this a Whaley signing? http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14403/andre-holmes I saw a lot of him with the Raiders I honestly thought Zay was gonna be the 2 with Holmes being a very good number 3 YES..the drops are concerning If Watkins goes down...it really does not matter who the 2 is because the drop off in talent will be considerable In all honesty......I liked Streeter about as much as I did Holmes with the raiders.....they both fit the size need. Would love Boldin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Let's hope we get Boldin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 I imagine Holmes sticks just for his ST play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 have Zay be number 2. Baptism by fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 A receiver who drops balls can't be on your team. -Period. Take those Jazz-hands down to Broadway where they serve a purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 1. Had anyone on this board heard of him prior to Bills signing. 2. Why do they think he is a legit # 2? 3. BY one report, his dropped passes in training camp are becoming an issue. 4. What happens if/when Watkins goes down? 5. Was this a Whaley signing? http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14403/andre-holmes 1. Yes he had a decent year a couple of years ago before the Raiders drafted Cooper. 2. They don't hence they drafted Zay. 3. By more than 1 report I'd say. 4. Our receiving corps are screwed. 5. No. Everything that has happened since January is on McDermott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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