SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 But it is -- folks simply don't want to accept it. to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 But it is -- folks simply don't want to accept it. I don't accept bridge by way of description... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockpile Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 But it is -- folks simply don't want to accept it. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Can we please just call Tyrod what he is and move on? Tyrod is an above-average "bridge" QB (based upon his overall skill set) and we're waiting for one of two things to happen: 1 -- he suddenly breaks out and becomes a top 10 NFL QB warranting a contract extension 2 -- the Bills find their franchise QB in the draft or free agency The Tyrod we've seen so far isn't terrible and isn't great. If he shows "natural" improvement there's certainly the chance he could lead the Bills to the playoffs. If you're calling Tyrod garbage as a QB you're an idiot. A team could do far worse than to rely on Tyrod for a season or two. Any Bills fan over the past 17 years should know that. we need to have a t-shirt made up with this on it. i really agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) Can we please just call Tyrod what he is and move on? Tyrod is an above-average "bridge" QB (based upon his overall skill set) and we're waiting for one of two things to happen: 1 -- he suddenly breaks out and becomes a top 10 NFL QB warranting a contract extension 2 -- the Bills find their franchise QB in the draft or free agency The Tyrod we've seen so far isn't terrible and isn't great. If he shows "natural" improvement there's certainly the chance he could lead the Bills to the playoffs. If you're calling Tyrod garbage as a QB you're an idiot. A team could do far worse than to rely on Tyrod for a season or two. Any Bills fan over the past 17 years should know that. Good post. he is the best we have had this century and is not terrible as some seem to think. Until better comes along, Bills fans should be glad he is here. I repeat things over and over because the ones who say he is terrible keep repeating the same things over and over. If we had had a better defense in 2016, the Bills would have been the WC, not Miami. we need to have a t-shirt made up with this on it. i really agree with this. me too. Edited July 27, 2017 by JM2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) Can we please just call Tyrod what he is and move on? Tyrod is an above-average "bridge" QB (based upon his overall skill set) and we're waiting for one of two things to happen: 1 -- he suddenly breaks out and becomes a top 10 NFL QB warranting a contract extension 2 -- the Bills find their franchise QB in the draft or free agency The Tyrod we've seen so far isn't terrible and isn't great. If he shows "natural" improvement there's certainly the chance he could lead the Bills to the playoffs. If you're calling Tyrod garbage as a QB you're an idiot. A team could do far worse than to rely on Tyrod for a season or two. Any Bills fan over the past 17 years should know that. Only in Bills land can you be a top 20ish QB in a league with 32 starters and still be above average. What a time to be alive. I think what most folks can't accept is basic mathematics. Edited July 27, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockpile Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 I don't accept bridge by way of description... How would you better describe it in one word? (b) Merriam Webster: a : a structure carrying a pathway or roadway over a depression or obstacle (such as a river) a bridge connecting the island to the mainland b : a time, place, or means of connection or transition building a bridge between the two cultures the bridge from war to peace c : Rockpile: in football, a method of filling a temporary gap between functional talented mediocrity to the leader of a winner the bridge from Tyrod Taylor to a Jim Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) Only in Bills land can you be a top 20ish QB in a league with 32 starters and still be above average. What a time to be alive. I think what most folks can't accept is basic mathematics. Then go find a better one and sign him. Only in Bills land can you be a top 20ish QB in a league with 32 starters and still be above average. What a time to be alive. I think what most folks can't accept is basic mathematics. Edited July 27, 2017 by JM2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Then go find a better one and sign him. I've been informed on here a few times that the new head coach's system is not built around a scrambling QB.... have the popcorn ready... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Can we please just call Tyrod what he is and move on? Tyrod is an above-average "bridge" QB (based upon his overall skill set) and we're waiting for one of two things to happen: 1 -- he suddenly breaks out and becomes a top 10 NFL QB warranting a contract extension 2 -- the Bills find their franchise QB in the draft or free agency The Tyrod we've seen so far isn't terrible and isn't great. If he shows "natural" improvement there's certainly the chance he could lead the Bills to the playoffs. If you're calling Tyrod garbage as a QB you're an idiot. A team could do far worse than to rely on Tyrod for a season or two. Any Bills fan over the past 17 years should know that. Looks about right...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Only in Bills land can you be a top 20ish QB in a league with 32 starters and still be above average. What a time to be alive. I think what most folks can't accept is basic mathematics. Learn to read, troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 I don't accept bridge by way of description... Then how about we say that he's a short term band-aid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Learn to read, troll. How can you be above average, yet not the 15th best QB or higher in the NFL in a league with 32 starters? I'll hang up and listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 How can you be above average, yet not the 15th best QB or higher in the NFL in a league with 32 starters? I'll hang up and listen. "bridge". learn to read. You're so anxious to post negativity that you don't even read the post through enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) "bridge". learn to read. You're so anxious to post negativity that you don't even read the post through enough.Oh. I thought he meant those sepearately. My bad. I agree that if you took all the bad QB's in the NFL, TT is above average. We agree. Edited July 27, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) Ok I know there are a lot of people that love him, I also know there are a lot that want him gone. However I figured I would start a thread to see what does he have to improve in your eyes to stick with the Bills at the end of the season. I know there are some that will think there is virtually nothing he can do, but there are some that are still on the fence with him. So lets say from him as a player what do you need to see for him to stick around. I am not talking about excuses like well if Sammy stays healthy or stuff like that, I would like my QB to be effective with whoever is on the field. Some of mine are: Better anticipation on his throws, this is one reason why there is not a lot of YAC from these WRs, his throws tend to be late. This also hurts him with my third area I would like for him to improve on. Obviously using the middle of the field, In this offense Clay has a chance to shine like all Owen Daniels (Clay is much more talented) has. I would like for him to be much more effective against Man Coverage. Over the last two seasons, Taylor averages 9.3 yards per attempt against zone defenses (best), but only 7.1 yards per attempt against man coverage (fifth-worst). There are two HUGE factors a lot of people continue to over look on some of Taylors most glaring flaws, which is his ability to see the field better and his anticipation on his throws (the two things you mention in this OP). And both are very accurate assessments on what he needs to improve on the most. 1. Ability to see the field better: There is a HUGE factor that I have brought up before but yet continues to be overlooked, and that was REX RYAN. Let me explain...I don't mean Coaching either. Rex was in LOVE with Tyrods ability to make plays with his legs, too much actually. Tyrod had a FULL GREEN LIGHT to take off and run if he didn't see something there. Rex is a defensive mindset Coach who wants to protect the ball and pound the run way more than taking chances downfield. So Tyrods game was more geared to taking off when he doesn't see it rather than force a throw, hence the low turnovers and tendency to run way too early. Even when someone like Tyrod looks like they are still looking downfield, they are often surveying running lanes at that point and that tends to lead to a lot of missed reads that opened up. With ANY QB who is a lethal runner, its already a challenge to not break off downfield reads and start looking for running reads because they feel they are so dangerous running too. So when your coach emphasizes this and gives you a green light, its going to cloud his downfield vision. Tyrods biggest issue with seeing the field has been breaking off those reads and looking for running lanes too early in his progressions, hence missing easy throws that opened up down field, especially the middle of the field as Tyrod seemed to look for edge spacing most often to run on, which I dont blame him being a small frame guy wanting to avoid big hits over the middle. With this new staff, I am hoping to see them implement a more Steve Young type mentality where the priority is heavily on the downfield reads and also given a green light to be less careful and more aggressive before he looks to do damage with his legs. (And NOOOOO I am not comparing him to Steve Young, just saying he was a guy who could hurt you bad with his legs, but was always looking to be aggressive passing first). 2. Anticipation of his throws: NEVER underestimate the importance of trust and timing when it comes to a QB and his WR's. Tyrod has actually shown he can throw with good timing and accuracy downfield when he trusts and has chemistry with his WRs like with Sammy. When Sammy was mostly healthy the last 9 games of 2015 the two of them were highly productive and Tryod took a lot more chances. In 2016, our WR group was a joke, often starting guys from the bench or even the street. Almost every game Sammy appeared in he was a shell of himself and mostly a decoy until really the week 16 where he was finally healthy to play a role and went out and had a big game. With a full offseason with his new receivers, the hope is that we will both get Sammy back at full speed and stay that way as well as get the new WR group to stay healthy out there on the field. Tyrod almost played with a different group of WR's week in and week out the last 2 years. Woods was always dinged up, Sammy obviously hurt a lot, Goodwin made of glass, Harvin a pipe dream, etc. Outside of Sammy, our WR group was pitiful...if they could have all been healthy, it had promise, but NONE of them were. So, I think there is a lot to be optimistic for about Tyrod this year...but make no mistake about it, he needs to elevate his game this year and prove he deserves to continue being the Bills starter. I just for one see a lot to be optimistic about, significant factors that contributed to some of the struggles the last 2 years, and also seen him do a lot of amazing and really good things too. But, I am in no way "in love" with him and if he doesn't take a significant step forward this year as a passer, then I am all in on using our 2 firsts next year to land a big time prospect. #GOBILLS Edited July 27, 2017 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Then how about we say that he's a short term band-aid? People are trying to not notice that he was very fortunately injury free last season for a QB who likes to scramble. Not sure the gods and fates of football lore let you go two seasons in a row like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Ok I know there are a lot of people that love him, I also know there are a lot that want him gone. However I figured I would start a thread to see what does he have to improve in your eyes to stick with the Bills at the end of the season. I know there are some that will think there is virtually nothing he can do, but there are some that are still on the fence with him. So lets say from him as a player what do you need to see for him to stick around. I am not talking about excuses like well if Sammy stays healthy or stuff like that, I would like my QB to be effective with whoever is on the field. Some of mine are: Better anticipation on his throws, this is one reason why there is not a lot of YAC from these WRs, his throws tend to be late. This also hurts him with my third area I would like for him to improve on. Obviously using the middle of the field, In this offense Clay has a chance to shine like all Owen Daniels (Clay is much more talented) has. I would like for him to be much more effective against Man Coverage. Over the last two seasons, Taylor averages 9.3 yards per attempt against zone defenses (best), but only 7.1 yards per attempt against man coverage (fifth-worst). That's a pretty good list. I'd add major improvement in accuracy. He does well with the deep sideline pass, but that's about it. Improvement with accuracy has to go hand in hand with improvement in his anticipation as one is not much good without the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 But it is -- folks simply don't want to accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 How does a QB get to this stage of life without any sense of anticipation on throws. Aren't you working on this inherently since you were 6 years old in the sandlots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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