DOJ Appoints Robert Mueller as Special Counsel - Jerome Corsi Rejects Plea Deal

[boyst]

And that means what?

 

See, hearsay and conjecture make great headlines and soap operas but they do little to nothing in real life.   It's been over a year.  There is nothing to the Russia/Trump thing that will blow our minds or do anything more than create more disenfranchised Americans clinging to their one half of Republican Oligarchy in hopes they don't suck at life.  Chances are, they suck at life.

[row_33]

but when you have a conspiracy you also cover it up perfectly, so that's why Mueller has nothing, because they covered it up as well, got it???

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

23 hours ago, keepthefaith said:

Except that as time marches on there's a dearth of evidence supporting Trump and Russian election collusion and mounting evidence that there was a  coordinated effort within the federal government and the IC to aid the Clinton campaign and derail Trumps.

 

Try to be more like a baseball umpire.  Stand back a bit and call balls and strikes as they happen. 

No, there is only a dearth of evidence in your mind. The evidence has been stated time and time again, you just ignore it 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 hour ago, garybusey said:

 

 

What's the status of relations between Qatar and the UAE at the moment? Are they feuding? Blockading? 

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40173757

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-gulf-qatar-wto/qatar-escalates-uae-trade-dispute-asks-wto-to-adjudicate-idUKKBN1CH2VT

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/05/middleeast/saudi-bahrain-egypt-uae-qatar-terror/index.html

That's relevant, no? As is the beef with KSA in light of everything else going down today.

 

So is this... (keep up, going deep)

 

Glenn Simpson worked with California Strategies and registered as a foreign lobbyist for Sheikh Khalid bin Saqr al-Qasimi of the UAE. It gets more interesting the deeper you dig into this connection... including this, $40k claim for Simpsons' company SNS Global:

 

 

FARA documents by California Strategies show a $55k payment to Glenn Simpson's company. California Strategies, it should be noted, is run by former Clinton staff including Chris Lehane (the guy who lead the Lewinsky smear). 

 

Here's where this starts to get fun, and ties back into why Mueller would be interested in the UAE...  Sheikh Khalid bin Saqr al-Qasimi of the UAE hired all of these people to forge better relations with the USA - which of course meant a contribution to the Clinton Foundation while she was SecState:

 

 

 

On that very same filing, Glenn Simpson was paid $233k - meaning Simpson and Clinton were on the same disgruntled UAE prince's payroll in 2009 (this is the same path that got Manafort busted by Mueller FYI...):

 

 

To add to the confusion, Simpson registered his lobbying company under Energy/Nuclear but failed to actually register with FARA:

 

 

Let's look closer at California Strategies - whose work has been described as a "coup" and involved trumped up sex scandals and email hacking (sound familiar?):

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jun/06/peter-cathcart-base-coup

 

And - if we dig deeper, we find out Khalid was more than likely working FOR IRAN in 2009 when he was hiring Simpson and Clinton cronies: 

 

 

 

These are all things reports knew - and have been quiet about during this Russian investigation. Wonder why?

 

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/66195-deposed-sheik-hires-former-reporter-in-lobbying-effort

 

We now know how deeply the WSJ and Fusion GPS connections run... which makes this redacted lawsuit all the more interesting now:

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4365104-Johnson-v-CIA-Order.html

 

 

This lawsuit is CURRENT and about passing classified intel to reporters... and loops in CrowdStrike (there's that name again): 

 

 

 

This was the reporter:

 

 

 

 

And that's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of how dirty Simpson is - and the pattern he follows. Here's some more in Venezuela - where Fusion has done amazing work gutting the people and helping the regime: https://medium.com/@alek.boyd/fusion-gps-accesory-to-crimes-60b7edc2ca25

 

UAE connections being probed by Mueller have FAR more to do with Simpson/Clinton than Trump. 

 

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Gary laughs before he even reads it... 

 

What's that saying I like to use again... oh, right: 

 

When a wise man hears of the Truth,

he immediately begins to live it.

When an average man hears of the Truth,

he believes some of it and doubts the rest.

When a foolish man hears of the Truth,

he laughs out loud at the very idea.

If it were not for that laugh,

it would not be the Truth.

Edited March 12, 2018 by Deranged Rhino

[B-Man]

MUELLER’S FORTHCOMING ASSAULT ON THE SEPARATION OF POWERS? Bloomberg:

 

“When it comes to the obstruction portion of the investigation, Mueller is said to be focused on three main episodes: Trump’s firing of FBI Director James Comey last May; the drafting of a misleading statement about the purpose of a June 2016 meeting between Don Jr., Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner and a group of Russians at Trump Tower; and the disclosure that Trump considered firing Mueller last June.”

 

 

The first and third of these are part of the Executive’s constitutional authority to hire and fire whomever he wants who works for him. It’s hard to imagine that the Supreme Court would ultimately uphold obstruction of justice charges against a president for firing his underlings, unless perhaps the president knew that the individual in question was literally just about to indict him.

 

The view of the executive branch that Comey seems to be operating under, that the FBI director and special prosecutor are not the president’s agents but are instead somehow independent officials not subject to presidential authority is quite wrong, constitutionally.

 

 

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[Warren Zevon]

14 minutes ago, B-Man said:

MUELLER’S FORTHCOMING ASSAULT ON THE SEPARATION OF POWERS? Bloomberg:

 

“When it comes to the obstruction portion of the investigation, Mueller is said to be focused on three main episodes: Trump’s firing of FBI Director James Comey last May; the drafting of a misleading statement about the purpose of a June 2016 meeting between Don Jr., Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner and a group of Russians at Trump Tower; and the disclosure that Trump considered firing Mueller last June.”

 

 

The first and third of these are part of the Executive’s constitutional authority to hire and fire whomever he wants who works for him. It’s hard to imagine that the Supreme Court would ultimately uphold obstruction of justice charges against a president for firing his underlings, unless perhaps the president knew that the individual in question was literally just about to indict him.

 

The view of the executive branch that Comey seems to be operating under, that the FBI director and special prosecutor are not the president’s agents but are instead somehow independent officials not subject to presidential authority is quite wrong, constitutionally.

 

 

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Linking to an article on Bloomberg, then pasting a direct quote from another source (without quotes) is a fantastic example of plagiarism.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Former DNI James Clapper Allegedly Leaked to CNN, investigation revealed

House Intelligence Committee finds no evidence of Trump Russia collusion

https://saraacarter.com/former-dni-james-clapper-allegedly-leaked-to-cnn-investigation-revealed/

 

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Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper allegedly leaked information to CNN in early last year regarding the classified briefing given to then President-Elect Donald Trump and President Barrack Obama on the salacious dossier and its contents claiming the Russians had compromising information on the president-elect, according to government sources, who noted the evidence of the leak was collected during the House Intelligence Committee’s Russia investigation.

 

Enjoy what's coming, Mr. Clapper. History will not be kind to you.

 

Dems spin already starting:

 

 

[TakeYouToTasker]

Do I correctly remember reading something last week about the CIA alleging that it possessed the proper authority to leak classified information to various media outlets selectively?

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, TakeYouToTasker said:

Do I correctly remember reading something last week about the CIA alleging that it possessed the proper authority to leak classified information to various media outlets selectively?

 

 

 

I missed that if you did! If you come across it please share. That's great evidence of pre-spin. 

[TakeYouToTasker]

33 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I missed that if you did! If you come across it please share. That's great evidence of pre-spin. 

I wish I had paid more attention to it when I saw it.  Unfortunately I did not, and cannot source it (though I shall try).  I posted in the hope that another poster may have seen the same thing, and could verify.  As such, please accept it as completely unverified and not to be relied on without independent verification.

 

Edit:  found it and posted below

Edited March 12, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker

[B-Man]

Was it this..............from the Deep State thread .....................

 

 

On 3/7/2018 at 6:39 PM, B-Man said:

DEEP-STATE LOGIC AT WORK: In one of the most insane arguments ever made by government lawyers, the CIA is claiming that even though they leaked complete documents to favored reporters, those documents are still not subject to disclosure to the public at large under FOIA. According to Techdirt:

“[T]he CIA would like to be able to selectively leak classified information while retaining the privilege of denying every other member of the public access to these leaks. If the selected journalists choose to publish classified info handed to them by the CIA, only then does it enter the public domain, according to the the CIA. Otherwise, the CIA will decide what’s classified and withholdable, not judges or logic or common sense.”

 

 

 

 

 

The intelligence community hates leakers, unless it’s the agencies themselves doing the leaking.

 

[TakeYouToTasker]

30 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I missed that if you did! If you come across it please share. That's great evidence of pre-spin. 

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180218/08304939261/cia-still-arguing-official-leaks-to-journalists-shouldnt-be-subject-to-foia-requests.shtml

 

Out of a Silicon Valley mouthpiece.

3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Was it this..............from the Deep State thread .....................

 

 

 

That's the piece. 

[Deranged Rhino]

3 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180218/08304939261/cia-still-arguing-official-leaks-to-journalists-shouldnt-be-subject-to-foia-requests.shtml

 

Out of a Silicon Valley mouthpiece.

That's the piece. 

 

Thanks!  

[Deranged Rhino]

LONG POST WARNING 

 

Where's Tony Podesta?

 

 

It’s been five months since we learned Tony Podesta was being investigated by Special Counsel Mueller. So… what’s happening? What facts do we have? And why hasn't Tony Podesta been indicted?

 

Let’s take a close look at the timeline with a focus on Tony Podesta. This is intense, but I think worthwhile:

 

3/29/16 – Paul Manafort joined the Trump campaign and then became campaign Chairman on May 19

 

8/14/16 – NYT Reported that a secret ledger in the Ukraine lists cash payments to Paul Manafort:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us/politics/paul-manafort-ukraine-donald-trump.html

 

8/19/16 – Paul Manafort resigns as campaign Chair for the Trump Campaign.

 

8/21/16 – Roger stone tweets about the “Podestas”

 

4/3/17 – Trump tweets about Tony Podesta and Russian connections :

 

4/6/17 – Senator Grassley sends a letter to the DOJ on potential FARA violations regarding Podesta, Manafort and their work with the government of the Ukraine:

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/constituents/2017-04-06 CEG to DOJ (Manafort Podesta FARA).pdf

 

4/12/17 – Within days of Grassley’s letter, the Podesta Group files new FARA disclosures in Manafort linked Ukraine lobbying for European Centre for Modern Ukraine (ECMU – remember this name) https://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/paul-manafort-lobbying-ukraine-podesta-group-237163

 

Here's The FULL Podesta Group retroactive FARA filing, including a cover letter from their lawyers explaining the firm’s lobbying work for ECMU:

 

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015b-6331-db04-ad5b-7bb9804c0000

 

In the cover letter the lawyer, representing the Podesta Group, noted they previously registered under Lobbying Disclosure Act (LDA). At the time, Podesta Group claimed they did NOT know they were lobbying for a foreing government via ECMU.

 

This is a lie and a crime.

 

 

An LDA form is used to disclose lobbying for non-government-organizations (NGOs). FARA is required by law when lobbying is done on behalf of a Foreign Government of political party. Lying on (or failing to file) a FARA disclosure form is a crime. The Podesta Group originally filed a LDA form, as part of the scheme with Manafort and Gates, to hide who they were actually working for: President Yanukovych and the Government of the Ukraine.

 

They are pleading ignorance, but the evidence shows they knew the entire time...

 

From the cover letter: “The Podesta Group acknowledges that… it’s work for tECMU could be interpreted as principally benefiting a foreign government.”

 

The Podesta Group’s cover letter and backdated FARA filings were disclosed BEFORE the Manafort and Gates indictments. They are littered with false and misleading statements.

 

This is a crime.

 

Based on what we know from the Manafort Gates indictments, here are some laws Podesta broke:

 

“Unregistered agent of a foreign principal”:

22 USC 612

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/612

 

“False and misleading FARA statements

22 USC 618(a)(1) & (2)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/618

 

The Podesta Group could also be charged with “False statements”

18 USC 2, 1001(a)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001

 

07/22/17 – Trump tweets again about Podesta:

 

10/24/17 – Six months after their retroactive FARA filing, NBC reports that Tony Podesta and the Podesta Group were swept up in the Russia investigation headed by Mueller:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mueller-now-investigating-democratic-lobbyist-tony-podesta-n812776

 

Please watch the 6 min video linked in the article below: Tucker Carlson spoke with an information (whistleblower) inside the Podesta Group. This senior level employee told Tucker has has already been interviewed by Mueller. Note the mentions of ECMU and the Clinton Foundation:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/10/25/tucker_carlson_source_podesta_brothers_and_manafort_not_trump_central_figures_in_mueller_probe.html

 

10/30/17 – The indictment of Paul Manafort and Rick Gates are unsealed. They’re charged with 12 counts, including Conspiracy, money laundering, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, False and misleading FARA statements and more: https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download

 

10/30/17 – That same day, Politico reports that Tony Podesta is stepping down from the Podesta Group because of the Mueller probe. Coincidence? No chance in hell.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/tony-podesta-stepping-down-from-lobbying-giant-amid-mueller-probe-244314

 

10/30/17 – NBC reports that Podesta Group and Mercury LLC are Companies “A” and “B” mentioned in the Manafort/Gates indictment. This is obvious based on Podesta’s retroactive FARA filing and the Grassley letter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/sources-podesta-group-mercury-are-companies-b-indictment-n815721

 

Here are some highlights from the Manafort/Gates indictment that are very damaging for the Podesta Group:

 

* Page 4 (11) – ECMU created as a mouthpiece for Yanukovych. Used by Manafort, Gates, AND OTHERS in order to lobby…

 

* Page 15 (20) – This is the key sentence that incriminates Podesta Group and Mercury LLC: In February 2012,

 

“Gates wrote to Company A that it would be ‘representing the government of Ukraine in (Washington) D.C.”

 

Both lobbying firm knew the scheme from the start:

 

* Page 16 – Gates DIRECTED Company A and B to prepare assessment of lobbying efforts so the "PRESIDENT" (Yanukovych) could be briefed by "PAUL".

 

* Page 16 (22) – “Company A and B engaged in extensive lobbying for Ukraine. Manafort and Gates used offshore bank accounts to secretly pay $4M for a report.”

 

* Page 16 (23) – “Manafort/Gates arranged for ECMU to be nominal client of Company A and B even though ECMU was under ultimate direction of Government of Ukraine and Yanukovych.” "Company A and B were paid through offshore accounts associated with Manafort and Gates. They were not paid by ECMU."

 

* According to the indictment, the lobbying firms (Podesta and Mercury) were paid more than $2M from offshore accounts controlled by Manafort and set up by Gates.

 

* Page 17 of the indictment states: “Gates communicated FALSE TALKING POINTS to Company B in writing.”

 

* Page 18 – Company B worried about all the Email traffic and: “Heaven knows what former employees of Company B or Company A might say.”

 

Well, we know they are all singing now.

 

* Page 19 sums up the entire conspiracy. Everyone knew they were involved in hiding the identity of who they were lobbying for. It details weekly calls, frequent emails and reports needed to brief Yanukovych.

 

They all lied, BUT Mueller has overwhelming evidence of the plot.

 

 

 

10/31/17 – Trump tweets this: (he knows everything already… because Mueller is working with Trump)

 

11/3/17 – Mueller Grand Jury investigating Top DC lobbyists.

https://www.apnews.com/a7589ef1d4034a08b93d966abbb05017

 

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“At the center of the widening probe are TONY PODESTA… and Vin Weber, former GOP Congressman and leader of Mercury LLC.”

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"FBI Agents working for Mueller are asking witnesses about meetings between Gates, Podesta and Weber to discuss lobbying work for Ukraine.”

 

In early November, just weeks after Tony resigned, there are multiple reports that the Podesta Group will completely shut down by November 15:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/10/podesta-group-last-days-244799

 

2/8/18 – Trump tweets about Podesta AGAIN... almost like he knows what's coming... because he does:

 

 

2/23/18 – Mueller flips Rick Gates. This was huge, but not for the reasons most in the media think. Gates knows details of the entire conspiracy between ECMU/Manafort/Podesta/Mercury. He also knows the details of why and how Manafort came to be on Trump's team (through the Podesta Group). Why?

 

Because Gates helped set it all up!

https://saraacarter.com/gates-pleads-guilty-two-criminal-charges/

 

So, WHY hasn't Tony Podesta and others been indicted yet? Because they had to get the little fish to flip first - not to get closer to Trump but to get closer to the Podestas. Because through the Podestas you get to the DNC/HRC/44. 

 

In Gate’s Plea he agreed to FULL cooperation. This means he will testify against everyone as he was giving out orders to Podesta Group, Mercury, etc. Gates set up the offshore bank accounts to facilitate money laundering and tax evasion - he's the key to a lot of dirt on two of the largest lobbying firms on K-Street. 

 

Expect Tony Podesta and other Podesta Group employees and Mercury LLC to be indicted within the next few months. Expect even more crimes to surface, more whistleblowers and deals as well.

 

This is where the Mueller investigation is headed:

 

Always has…

 

But let's remember this is just ONE criminal investigation that Podesta is involved in as we speak. The Podesta Group also lobbied for Uranium One - that rabbit hole goes VERY deep: http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/05/tony-podesta-lobbied-for-russias-uranium-one-and-did-not-file-as-a-foreign-agent/

 

Here’s a list of the possible crimes the Podesta Group is looking at JUST from Manafort / Gates stuff:

*Conspiracy

*Unregistered agent of a foreign principal

*False and misleading FARA statements

*Tax evasion

*Money laundering.

 

 

It’s only a matter of time before more indictments related to Ukraine lobbying and the Podesta Group scandal drop. With Gates flipping the floodgates have opened and it’s game over for Tony Podesta and Manafort both. But major criminal investigations take months/years to complete. This is just one of many current, large criminal investigations going on right now.

 

Justice is coming.

 

Be patient…

[Nanker]

Way to obfuscate with details and facts, DR.  

 

 

 

 

 

FWIW, if and when they get around to indicting that worthless POS Tony Podesta, I'll wager that he'll off himself before it gets to a trial. 

[Deranged Rhino]

42 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Way to obfuscate with details and facts, DR.  

 

 

 

 

 

FWIW, if and when they get around to indicting that worthless POS Tony Podesta, I'll wager that he'll off himself before it gets to a trial. 

 

[row_33]

now we'll get down to some findings this month?

 

 

[Tiberius]

Former acting CIA director John McLaughlin blasted Republicans. “As a subject or observer of Cong[ressional] oversight of intell[igence] for 40 years, I’ve never seen a party drive a stake [through] the process as House [Republicans] just did,” he tweeted. “It depends on a bi-partisan approach that at least gives the minority a voice. Take that away and the thing dies. It just did.”

[Deranged Rhino]

Now the left has moved on from praising Obama's lying, dirty, CIA heads to praising Bush's lying, dirty, CIA heads. 

 

Why is the left suddenly obsessed with CIA agents? A number of them are RUNNING FOR SEATS. 

 

Hmmm... 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/10/18/daily-202-ex-cia-officers-running-for-congress-as-democrats/59e6b25b30fb041a74e75de5/?utm_term=.dffbad1e8029

 

 

 

 

The fact the left is so openly colluding now with the CIA and USIC - organizations traditionally eyed with suspicion by the left and for good reason - is yet another astounding transformation of their platform. They moved to pro-war side under Clinton's campaign, then into heavy right wing conspiracy mimicry with the Russian collusion delusion, now they're openly backing CIA candidates to run for Congress. 

 

People are nuts.

 

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[DC Tom]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Now the left has moved on from praising Obama's lying, dirty, CIA heads to praising Bush's lying, dirty, CIA heads. 

 

Why is the left suddenly obsessed with CIA agents? A number of them are RUNNING FOR SEATS. 

 

Hmmm... 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/10/18/daily-202-ex-cia-officers-running-for-congress-as-democrats/59e6b25b30fb041a74e75de5/?utm_term=.dffbad1e8029

 

 

 

 

The fact the left is so openly colluding now with the CIA and USIC - organizations traditionally eyed with suspicion by the left and for good reason - is yet another astounding transformation of their platform. They moved to pro-war side under Clinton's campaign, then into heavy right wing conspiracy mimicry with the Russian collusion delusion, now they're openly backing CIA candidates to run for Congress. 

 

People are nuts.

 

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The 50's called, they want their foreign AND domestic policies back.

[Nanker]

Looking forward to the Congressional CIA Caucus convening soon. Question: Will they meet in secret? 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

... I'll just leave this here:

 

Felix Sater, businessman linked to Trump, claims to have been U.S. spy

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/12/russia-spy-felix-sater-457013

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A Russian-born businessman with ties to President Donald Trump claims to have been a spy working with American intelligence for more than 20 years, according to a statement his spokesman said he provided to government investigators.

 

Felix Sater said in the statement that he “provided extraordinary assistance to our government involving serious matters of National Security, posing tremendous risks to my safety and the safety of my family.”

 

Sater has been drawn into the investigations into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, which are being spearheaded by special counsel Robert Mueller and several congressional committees, because of his apparent ties to potential Trump business deals in Russia. In emails that were reported by the Washington Post last year, Sater appeared to try to convince Trump in 2015 to develop a Trump Tower in Moscow and to visit Russia.

 

 

Original article (note the way the information was gathered - all second/third hand, no sources, yet a headline so inflammatory it wound up with Sater being called to testify.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

 

Here's his original statement:

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000162-1bee-d513-a767-dfefea980001
 

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"I was born in 1966 in Moscow, Soviet Union with the words Jew stamped in my passport under nationality - not Russian as has been reported about me."

 

 

Seems to be a pattern developing... 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

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Who saw this coming? ... oh, right. Everyone. 

 

REVEALED: Obama Campaign Hired Fusion GPS To Investigate Romney

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/13/fusion-gps-romney-investigation/

 

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Edited March 13, 2018 by Deranged Rhino

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Though I have different thoughts on what Mueller is up to, this article is an important read:

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/257335/robert-muellers-beltway-cover-up

 

 

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That’s because Mueller’s job is to obscure the abuses of the US surveillance apparatus that occurred under the Obama administration.

 

The fact that someone at the level of former FBI director was called in to sweep up the mess left by bad actors in the bureau and Central Intelligence Agency and other parts of the intelligence bureaucracy suggests that the problems are even worse than previously thought. And that means the constituency for Mueller’s political intervention is enormous.

 

Mueller is said to believe that the Prince meeting was to set up a back channel with the Kremlin. But that makes no sense. According to the foundational text of the collusion narrative, the dossier allegedly written by former British spy Christopher Steele, the Kremlin had cultivated Trump himself for years. So what’s the purpose of a back channel, when Vladimir Putin already had a key to the front door of Mar-a-Lago?

 

Further, the collusion thesis holds that the Trump circle teamed with high-level Russian officials for the purpose of winning the 2016 election. How does a meeting that Erik Prince had a week before Trump’s inauguration advance the crooked election victory plot? It doesn’t—it contradicts it.

 

 

It absolutely contradicts the narrative... but there's no honesty left in those who have married themselves to the collusion delusion. 

 

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The fact that Mueller has zeroed in on Prince points to a key motive behind his ongoing investigation.

 

Prince was thrown into the middle of Russiagate after an April 3, 2017 Washington Post story reported his meeting with the Russian banker. But how did anyone know about the meeting? After the story came out, Prince said he was shown “specific evidence” by sources from the intelligence community that the information was swept up in the collection of electronic communications and his identity was unmasked. The US official or officials who gave his name to the Post broke the law when they leaked classified intelligence. “Unless The Washington Post has somehow miraculously recruited the bartender of a hotel in the Seychelles,” Prince told the House Intelligence Committee in December, “the only way that’s happening is through SIGINT [signals intelligence].”

 

Mueller presumably knows whether Prince’s name was indeed unmasked and then leaked to the press—and that the leak was a crime. Mueller certainly knows that most of the case he has regarding Russian interference in the 2016 election was built by abuses of the foreign intelligence surveillance apparatus and other related crimes that are punishable with jail time. The identity of Trump’s short-tenured National Security Adviser Michael Flynn was swept up and leaked to the press in the same way as Prince’s. It was leaked to the same newspaper, the Washington Post.

 

 

Much more at the link...

[Tiberius]

35 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

... I'll just leave this here:

 

Felix Sater, businessman linked to Trump, claims to have been U.S. spy

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/12/russia-spy-felix-sater-457013

 

Original article (note the way the information was gathered - all second/third hand, no sources, yet a headline so inflammatory it wound up with Sater being called to testify.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

 

Here's his original statement:

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000162-1bee-d513-a767-dfefea980001
 

 

Seems to be a pattern developing... 

Ok, and what?? 

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Though I have different thoughts on what Mueller is up to, this article is an important read:

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/257335/robert-muellers-beltway-cover-up

 

 

 

It absolutely contradicts the narrative... but there's no honesty left in those who have married themselves to the collusion delusion. 

 

 

Much more at the link...

It does not contradict anything. Just because the Russians got Trump elected means they then walked away from their most important asset ever? Ya right! 

[Deranged Rhino]

16 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

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Who saw this coming? ... oh, right. Everyone. 

 

REVEALED: Obama Campaign Hired Fusion GPS To Investigate Romney

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/13/fusion-gps-romney-investigation/

 

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More on this... Just some facts to consider:

 

Perkins Coie received more than $12M from the Clinton Campaign and the DNC during the 2016 election cycle. Fusion GPS was paid just over $1M for its research on Trump. The oppo firm paid Steele just under $178k for his work on the dossier.

 

Who else is curious where the rest of the $11M went?

 

Allow me to take a stab:

 

* The creation of "Russian" troll farms

* CrowdStrike/Warren Flood to create Guccifer 2.0

* IT Consultants to create Alfa-Bank DNS logs

* Natalia V (Russian Lawyer from TT meeting)

* Papadapolous

* Manafort

* Page (possibly)

 

I'm sure there's more... 

 

These are the questions real reporters should be running down instead of blindly believing the word of the USIC without followup.

[Bob in Mich]

I have heard several Trump disciples claim any communication between the Trump administration team and Russians that happened AFTER the election couldn't possibly have any role in the collusion/conspiracy investigation.   They say, what is the big deal of private Trump-Russia communication lines after the election?  Seriously?

 

If you conspired to lose a football game, say by bribing the QB to throw the game, can you imagine any reason to meet with the QB after he successfully threw the game for you?  If not, try a little harder. I would think he might want to discuss his payment - most likely in private.

[boyst]

12 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

I have heard several Trump disciples claim any communication between the Trump administration team and Russians that happened AFTER the election couldn't possibly have any role in the collusion/conspiracy investigation.   They say, what is the big deal of private Trump-Russia communication lines after the election?  Seriously?

 

If you conspired to lose a football game, say by bribing the QB to throw the game, can you imagine any reason to meet with the QB after he successfully threw the game for you?  If not, try a little harder. I would think he might want to discuss his payment - most likely in private.

Do you have proof of this or are you just a !@#$n retard?

44 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

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Who saw this coming? ... oh, right. Everyone. 

 

REVEALED: Obama Campaign Hired Fusion GPS To Investigate Romney

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/13/fusion-gps-romney-investigation/

 

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The excuse will be it doesn't matter because everyone does it.

 

Of America can forgive the Patriots for cheating and annoint then the best team ever than people can say Clinton dindunuffin.

[Bob in Mich]

Boyst, why are you such an ass?  Do you have to work at it or does it come easy to you?

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, Bob in Mich said:

I have heard several Trump disciples claim any communication between the Trump administration team and Russians that happened AFTER the election couldn't possibly have any role in the collusion/conspiracy investigation.   They say, what is the big deal of private Trump-Russia communication lines after the election?  Seriously?

 

If you conspired to lose a football game, say by bribing the QB to throw the game, can you imagine any reason to meet with the QB after he successfully threw the game for you?  If not, try a little harder. I would think he might want to discuss his payment - most likely in private.

 

No.  What people have been saying about revelations that Mueller's investigation is that finding that Trump's team was trying to establish "backdoor connections" in January doesn't make sense if they ALREADY (allegedly) had connections.  Which, to have colluded in the Fall, they would necessarily have to have had.

 

Wtf do they need to set up connections if those connections already exist?

 

Either they already had connections & didn't need new connections or they couldn't have colluded prior to the election because they didn't have connections.  (Or, both stories are bunk; but even giving you the benefit of the doubt saying 1 might be true, which one is it Bob?)

Edited March 13, 2018 by Taro T

[Bob in Mich]

Good questions.  I of course don't know but will speculate since you asked. 

 

The help given by the Russians to get him elected did not require a lot of day to day communication.  If the campaign agreed to accept the help one time, perhaps in person, that may have been all that was needed to start the conspiracy moving.  Perhaps the Don Jr Trump Tower meeting conveyed that agreement.  After that, the Russians would have been doing whatever they could to help.  They wouldn't need day to day guidance.

 

After the election was won, more back and forth MIGHT have been necessary to do the Russians bidding.  For instance, we don't want Mitt, how bout Rex from Exxon?  Speculation to be sure but you asked.

[Tiberius]

If Trump did anything to work with the Russians during the election that meant he was compromised and open to blackmail. Ya, why would they be talking after the election, gees, who knows? 

[Deranged Rhino]

7 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

Good questions.  I of course don't know but will speculate since you asked. 

 

The help given by the Russians to get him elected did not require a lot of day to day communication.  If the campaign agreed to accept the help one time, perhaps in person, that may have been all that was needed to start the conspiracy moving.  Perhaps the Don Jr Trump Tower meeting conveyed that agreement.  After that, the Russians would have been doing whatever they could to help.  They wouldn't need day to day guidance.

 

After the election was won, more back and forth MIGHT have been necessary to do the Russians bidding.  For instance, we don't want Mitt, how bout Rex from Exxon?  Speculation to be sure but you asked.

 

That's not speculation. It's fantasy. 

 

Counterintelligence operations don't work like that. 

[Tiberius]

Hey another joke!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/roger-stone-claimed-contact-with-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-in-2016-according-to-two-associates/2018/03/13/a263f842-2604-11e8-b79d-f3d931db7f68_story.html?utm_term=.9060481e2929

“I wish him no ill will, but Sam can manically and persistently call you,” Stone said, recalling that Nunberg had called him on a Friday to ask about his plans for the weekend. “I said, ‘I think I will go to London for the weekend and meet with Julian Assange.’ It was a joke, a throwaway line to get him off the phone. The idea that I would meet with Assange undetected is ridiculous on its face.’ ’’

[Deranged Rhino]

 

For a guy who claims he just wants Mueller to finish his work because it's important, Bob sure doesn't like to read the indictments or deal with any bits of the Mueller probe which doesn't fit into his pre-determined conclusion. He also demonstrates with the post above he has no idea what happened in 2016, how an election could be swung, or how real life espionage works. 

 

That's what happens when your best sources of news are Sour Diesel and the Young Turks.  

[thebug]

8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

That's not speculation. It's fantasy. 

 

Counterintelligence operations don't work like that. 

 Get over yourself! Like you have any !@#$ing clue how "counterintelligence operations" work. 

[Deranged Rhino]

On 3/12/2018 at 8:31 AM, Deranged Rhino said:

 

So is this... (keep up, going deep)

 

Glenn Simpson worked with California Strategies and registered as a foreign lobbyist for Sheikh Khalid bin Saqr al-Qasimi of the UAE. It gets more interesting the deeper you dig into this connection... including this, $40k claim for Simpsons' company SNS Global:

 

Adding on to this after some more digging... 

 

GLENN SIMPSON worked for 44 and was responsible for starting  the "Keeping GOP Honest" campaign that put eight Americans on a hit list and ruined their businesses - just for daring to voice political opposition to the party in power. 

"Keeping GOP Honest" put Romney's donors on a hit list, then Obama weaponized the IRS to give every one of them numerous audits. If Mitt Romney were an honest man, he would have said this two years ago when Fusion first popped back into the news cycle:

 

 

 

Glenn Simpson and Larry Sabato also "investigated" the Christian Coalition under 42 and ominously reporting they were shrouded in secrecy. This sparked Bill Clinton's FEC lawsuit against the Christian Coalition that would only be dismissed after a  long, bitter battle:

 

 

The attack on the Christian Coalition lead to the same brutal tactics we are now familiar with - endless audits by the IRS and crippling legal fees designed to silence dissenting opinion. This is how the elites choose to fight those who disagree with their views - and they more often than not hired Glenn Simpson to be a party of their brown shirt brigade.  

 

 

Simpson is the go-to-hitman for the DNC and everyone knows this - including the FBI and CIA because they've worked with him for decades doing exactly that. He's also no stranger to the never Trumpers in the GOP either.  

 

The way to fight this tactic in the future? The best way is to prohibit and/or regulate our Intel community from outsourcing. 

 

https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-unthinkable-consequences-of-outsourcing-u-s-intelligence/237793/

 

Seeing where this is going yet, folks?

14 minutes ago, thebug said:

 Get over yourself! Like you have any !@#$ing clue how "counterintelligence operations" work. 

 

I know much more than Bob apparently. 

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, Bob in Mich said:

Good questions.  I of course don't know but will speculate since you asked. 

 

The help given by the Russians to get him elected did not require a lot of day to day communication.  If the campaign agreed to accept the help one time, perhaps in person, that may have been all that was needed to start the conspiracy moving.  Perhaps the Don Jr Trump Tower meeting conveyed that agreement.  After that, the Russians would have been doing whatever they could to help.  They wouldn't need day to day guidance.

 

After the election was won, more back and forth MIGHT have been necessary to do the Russians bidding.  For instance, we don't want Mitt, how bout Rex from Exxon?  Speculation to be sure but you asked.

 

They had a successful conspiracy working across multiple states where the conspirators only met & communicated 1 time?  How does that even seem REMOTELY plausible?

 

The Russians must have mad political skills, which would explain how Communist organizations won the Cold War.

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Taro T said:

 

They had a successful conspiracy working across multiple states where the conspirators only met & communicated 1 time?  How does that even seem REMOTELY plausible?

 

The Russians must have mad political skills, which would explain how Communist organizations won the Cold War.

 

Allow me to set the scene, here's how Bob and others imagine the plot began...

 

Putin and Trump got together sometime in 2015 over Vodka and vintage pornography (water sports, of course) and had a discussion that went something like this: 

 

  PUTIN: "Donald, I wish to make you president."

 

 

 

 TRUMP: "I already am president of my company, Vlad."

 

 

 PUTIN: "No, president of the United States of America."

 

 

 TRUMP: "Why would I want that job? It's for losers!"

 

 

 PUTIN: "Fear not, you will be puppet. I will make all decisions, freeing you to play golf while I destroy America from within and restore the Soviet empire."

 

 

 TRUMP: "I don't know Vlad, that sounds pretty far out. What's in it for me?"

 

 

 

PUTIN: "It will cost you millions of dollars in legal fees, ruin what remains of your reputation, and you will be in the spotlight like never before which will put a crimp in your social life. But if you manage to avoid indictment and prosecution, Russia will allow you to open a hotel for half price."

 

 

 TRUMP: "That sounds like the sort of deal I'm known for negotiating. I'm IN. How are you going to do it, Vlad?"

 

 

PUTIN: "We will accomplish this great feat by using our absolute worst hackers, hackers who leave obvious Russian finger prints and who are unable to penetrate any election systems or change any votes because they are thwarted by the feeble American cyber defenses. We will create FaceBook ads which very few people will see and the bulk of which will be run after the election is already complete. We will also require your son to meet with some of my people during the campaign - but only after we leave an obvious trail which details your son's desire to gain access to 'stolen' emails from the Clinton campaign acquired by Russians. Then, once the election is over, we will risk exposing our own involvement in the operation by needlessly trying to set up 'back channels' with fringe members of your campaign. This will serve no purpose to Russia other than to expose the ties between your campaign and myself to the world so that the media will go into overdrive trying to prove the conspiracy we hatched here tonight." 

 

  TRUMP: "...."

 

 PUTIN: "So, Donald, what do you say?"

 

 TRUMP: "You're a crazy fukker, Vlad, but I DIG THAT about you! Sounds good. Run it all by Ivanka and Jared and they'll make sure I remember. Now, can we PLEASE go on that bike ride now?"

 

 PUTIN: "Sure, comrade."

 

 

[Nanker]

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for finally connecting the dots for us. That just makes SOOOOOOOO much sense. We can finally see what all the collusion was about and how it happened. It’s abundantly clear now why he gets two scoops of ice cream.