KD in CA Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 The CEO pretty much summed it all up perfectly when he said.. "Well regardless, the decision has been made" That's what you're supposed to say when terminating someone. That meeting is not the time to discuss and debate the merits of the decision, at least from the company standpoint. If the employee is blindsided by the decision, either it's a bad company, a clueless employee, or both. In your case, it sounds like a bad company but at least you saw it coming. A good company provides honest, direct and timely performance feedback. The only reason to document it is to provide a defense if the company is later sued for discrimination, which again is practically speaking only relevant for minorities and sometimes women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 That's what you're supposed to say when terminating someone. That meeting is not the time to discuss and debate the merits of the decision, at least from the company standpoint. If the employee is blindsided by the decision, either it's a bad company, a clueless employee, or both. In your case, it sounds like a bad company but at least you saw it coming. A good company provides honest, direct and timely performance feedback. The only reason to document it is to provide a defense if the company is later sued for discrimination, which again is practically speaking only relevant for minorities and sometimes women. You are correct. But life isn't fair and you get what you have to get, maybe you can make it a better place yourself, but don't stand around thinking it will happen. Lousy job and boss and situation? Leave and wave bye-bye in the mirror and find a better job. Again with all this suing.... someone looked at me askance in the grocery store today... I'll sue them!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 I can't believe a CEO came to a termination meeting. That's unusual, even in a small company. To me that says he doesn't trust the manager. As for justification, in the states that only applies if you are a woman or black. White males can be dumped any time for any reason. The CEO and the manager are actually very close. They worked together when they fired the old manager. He must have really liked her because she had only been in the position for 6 months before she was promoted to run the department. Also, that's she had no credit manager experience CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 For a Canadian soon out of work.... 1) see what package they offer and how it effects your EI situation 2) if they are grossly unfair, squawk and look into hiring counsel to help negotiate something better 3) take a weekend off and drink or whatever into oblivion until the pain is gone. 4) they probably weren't 100% fair to you the whole time, big freaking deal, you have to get working again 5) Find a copy of What Color Is Your Parachute (any year will do) and do the self-assessment exercises, which will help you focus on yourself and give you some ego-boosting if need be. 6) read his theory on how to get a job and give it a shot, it worked brilliantly for me 20 years ago (too easily) and I've continued with it for 4 job changes seamlessly so far... IT WORKS... 7) prep ahead of time if you reasonably could have seen this happening, moving from job to job is easier than moving from lay-off to job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 That dog sure don't hunt in the States...cant believe a CEO would use undocumented meetings as a basis for termination, especially without documented performance improvement goals that were not met. Lawsuit waiting to happen in the states, even in so called "right to work " states. In terms of tests, I am looking at a new position and had to take a verbal assessment the other day...I had never heard of a subjective verbal assessment. They started with some basic demographic information, and then asked my birthday...and I was floored. I mean here they are asking subjective questions. I am not exactly a spring chicken anymore, and told the recruiter holy moly are they opening themselves up to an age discrimination suit if my assessment came back negative. I can see in a written, objective test, bias does not matter. But subjective answers and age involved???? In the past three months I've had interviewers start the interview with "So...How old are you? Married? Have any kids?" Uh...you know that's illegal as hell to be asking, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 The CEO and the manager are actually very close. They worked together when they fired the old manager. He must have really liked her because she had only been in the position for 6 months before she was promoted to run the department. Also, that's she had no credit manager experience CBF He still may not trust her to fire someone properly (or he doesn't want to involve anyone else), but if there's a 'class pet' dynamic in play, be glad to be away from it. I had that at my last company but it was even worse as the new parent company replaced our founder/CEO with a 'class pet' CEO, who was also a woman. She thought she was such a player but was utterly clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I can't believe a CEO came to a termination meeting. That's unusual, even in a small company. To me that says he doesn't trust the manager. As for justification, in the states that only applies if you are a woman or black. White males can be dumped any time for any reason. To be fair, women and minorities can be dumped at any time for any reason, too. You just have to pay the government for the privilege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 He still may not trust her to fire someone properly (or he doesn't want to involve anyone else), but if there's a 'class pet' dynamic in play, be glad to be away from it. I had that at my last company but it was even worse as the new parent company replaced our founder/CEO with a 'class pet' CEO, who was also a woman. She thought she was such a player but was utterly clueless. Last thing you want or need is more whiny garbage office politics if it's a done deal. Move on, take what you can glean and learn. Effing how she goes, boys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 The CEO and the manager are actually very close. They worked together when they fired the old manager. He must have really liked her because she had only been in the position for 6 months before she was promoted to run the department. Also, that's she had no credit manager experience CBF maybe you should have had sex with the CEO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Ok, I haven't read through it all but do you have pictures of your new boss? That's important in any decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Good luck in finding your dream job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBud Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 In the past three months I've had interviewers start the interview with "So...How old are you? Married? Have any kids?" Uh...you know that's illegal as hell to be asking, right? Not properly trained ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 Ok, I haven't read through it all but do you have pictures of your new boss? That's important in any decisions. Shes on LinkedIn and FB She's that kind of woman who is really into herself. My wife creeped her page one day and its all posts about herself CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 Just got a call for an in person interview on Tuesday for the job I applied for. I guess its down to me and one other person CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) At least you get a meal out of it? I haven't had cold interviews so far, networking and an informational interview got me in with my first job and interviews for the next jobs started with them asking: "It must have been amazing to work with and for Bob, right?" well... let me tell you.... Edited June 9, 2017 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 Thanks. There is no lunch. Just me going to their office for an in person interview CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Just got a call for an in person interview on Tuesday for the job I applied for. I guess its down to me and one other person CBF Shiv the mofo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 Shiv the mofo? haha I know eh? CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 OK its booked. Interview Tuesday at 1PM CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Last thing you want or need is more whiny garbage office politics if it's a done deal. Move on, take what you can glean and learn. Effing how she goes, boys... maybe you should have had sex with the CEO. Better row_33 do it since he is advocate of being screwed, If he was a laywer for rapist he would ask victim "Did you enjoy it?" Best experience was when I had my former manager who falsified why I was let go apply at my company. I was asked by hiring manager to interview applicant because I worked at that company but I told manager 'I am busy, can I interview last?' At last interview (and interview lasted several days) interviewee was escorted to my office. He asked if we would be professional about this and I said yes and handed interviewee form. In it asked interviewer to evaluate applicant on things like honesty, etc. I told him I would answer all of the questions as best of my ability as required with as much detail as possible including information on interviewee having an affair with a subordinate when both were married. He withdrew his application but I told him whether he withdrew or not it would still be on file IF he choose to apply again and every person in interview chain would see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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