WWE/Professional Wrestling

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, The Senator said:

 

I know nothing about that so, if you say it’s so, I can’t refute you.

 

I just remember when ‘Pro Wrestling’ was a lot more fun...

 

 

She was certainly a key player in the game... but they had a PPV named after her last year and had to change the name due to backlash because of what I mentioned

 

She apparently kept all her female wrestler tied into debt so they had to keep working for her

[Fr. Jerk]

14 hours ago, Koko78 said:

 

Idiots.

 

Don't hate, they earned their 50 bucks the hard way.

[Fr. Jerk]

Also, I need a late pass but I'm loving GLOW on Netflix. Currently binge watching. 

[Koko78]

40 minutes ago, The Jerk said:

 

Don't hate, they earned their 50 bucks the hard way.

 

True, but they're still idiots for:

 

1.) Using two tables instead of one;

2.) Not aligning the tables properly for the spot; and

3.) The guy throwing the dude not paying attention to where he was throwing him.

[Fr. Jerk]

On 4/15/2019 at 8:48 AM, Koko78 said:

 

True, but they're still idiots for:

 

1.) Using two tables instead of one;

2.) Not aligning the tables properly for the spot; and

3.) The guy throwing the dude not paying attention to where he was throwing him.

 

The best part is I have no idea who they are and despite one of them almost dying I still don't care. 

 

Also, Luke Harper has requested his release. 

[Bray Wyatt]

31 minutes ago, The Jerk said:

 

The best part is I have no idea who they are and despite one of them almost dying I still don't care. 

 

Also, Luke Harper has requested his release. 

 

I wish WWE gave Harper more of a push, but I think its smart for him to request his release. They havent had anything for him since he came back from injury and the guy is amazing in ring. I am hoping he goes to AEW so I will still be able to see him on TV

[Koko78]

It always baffles me when wrestlers complain that "creative has nothing for [them]."

 

Why does "creative" have a ***** job, if they can't write some kind of halfassed storyline for the mid- and low-card wrestlers?

[Fr. Jerk]

5 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

I wish WWE gave Harper more of a push, but I think its smart for him to request his release. They havent had anything for him since he came back from injury and the guy is amazing in ring. I am hoping he goes to AEW so I will still be able to see him on TV

 

They definitely should have done more with him. Hopefully he goes to AEW but at the very least he should pop back up on the local circuit here in Rochester.

[TBBills Fan]

On 4/17/2019 at 9:13 AM, Koko78 said:

It always baffles me when wrestlers complain that "creative has nothing for [them]."

 

Why does "creative" have a ***** job, if they can't write some kind of halfassed storyline for the mid- and low-card wrestlers?

 

politics, they cant pitch ideas and if vince doesnt dream it he kills it

 

see the viking experience...

 

god I really do try to get back into it but the stories are bad....its reminding me of the last decade of Bills Front office management

[apuszczalowski]

1 hour ago, TBBills Fan said:

 

politics, they cant pitch ideas and if vince doesnt dream it he kills it

 

see the viking experience...

 

god I really do try to get back into it but the stories are bad....its reminding me of the last decade of Bills Front office management

It's sad, but the WWE story line seem to be way better then Impact. While flipping through the channels I stopped o  it for 5 minutes and caught some poorly scripted and filmed Sacrifice Zombie/Vampire scene where they supposedly killed a female wrestler. No wrestling, just poorly acted (worse then a 'B rated' movie) skit

[Fr. Jerk]

Impact needs to be put out to pasture. 

[Logic]

I just wanted to chime in and say, apropos of nothing, that I really like the NXT product as of late. Specifically, the Takeover: New York event was excellent. The Gargano vs Cole match was OUTSTANDING. Ditto the tag title match and the UK Title match.

I'm an old school wrestling fan. I spend an inordinate amount of time watching old WCW and WWF on the WWE Network. I also spend an inordinate amount of time watching shoot interviews, reading books about wrestling, and reading wrestlecrap.com rants and the like. So to an extent, I'm still kind of wrestling obsessed...I just happen to be obsessed with the wrestling I watched when I grew up. I only VERY CASUALLY follow today's WWE product. I know most of the names and profiles, and I tune into the "Big 3" PPVs ever year. Aside from that, I fade in and out. I just don't care the way I used to.

I will say this, though: The period between, say, 2002 and 2012 was a lost decade for me, as far as WWE goes. That whole Cena/Orton/Batista era is just a snooze-fest for me. Triple H taking over and instituting NXT was the best thing that could've possibly happened to WWE. He basically saved it completely and now has it to where it's about as good a product as it's ever been. He FINALLY talked McMahon out of avoiding indie and ROH and NJPW guys like the plague. They also rightly recognized that there's a huge market for actual quality work rate wrestling. Now they poach anyone worth poaching, and they have the deep, awesome roster to show for it. Raw, Smackdown, NXT, NXT UK, 205 Live, etc, etc....They're in a very strong place going forward.

Getting back to my original comment, I find the NXT matches and characters to be VASTLY more entertaining than the current main roster product. My current favorites (from all rosters) are probably Adam Cole (Bay Bay!), Aleister Black, Shinsuke Nakamura, Daniel Bryan, Sami Zayn, Ricochet, and Johnny Gargano. I'm a big work rate guy. 

[Bills4everNY]

5 hours ago, Logic said:

I just wanted to chime in and say, apropos of nothing, that I really like the NXT product as of late. Specifically, the Takeover: New York event was excellent. The Gargano vs Cole match was OUTSTANDING. Ditto the tag title match and the UK Title match.

I'm an old school wrestling fan. I spend an inordinate amount of time watching old WCW and WWF on the WWE Network. I also spend an inordinate amount of time watching shoot interviews, reading books about wrestling, and reading wrestlecrap.com rants and the like. So to an extent, I'm still kind of wrestling obsessed...I just happen to be obsessed with the wrestling I watched when I grew up. I only VERY CASUALLY follow today's WWE product. I know most of the names and profiles, and I tune into the "Big 3" PPVs ever year. Aside from that, I fade in and out. I just don't care the way I used to.

I will say this, though: The period between, say, 2002 and 2012 was a lost decade for me, as far as WWE goes. That whole Cena/Orton/Batista era is just a snooze-fest for me. Triple H taking over and instituting NXT was the best thing that could've possibly happened to WWE. He basically saved it completely and now has it to where it's about as good a product as it's ever been. He FINALLY talked McMahon out of avoiding indie and ROH and NJPW guys like the plague. They also rightly recognized that there's a huge market for actual quality work rate wrestling. Now they poach anyone worth poaching, and they have the deep, awesome roster to show for it. Raw, Smackdown, NXT, NXT UK, 205 Live, etc, etc....They're in a very strong place going forward.

Getting back to my original comment, I find the NXT matches and characters to be VASTLY more entertaining than the current main roster product. My current favorites (from all rosters) are probably Adam Cole (Bay Bay!), Aleister Black, Shinsuke Nakamura, Daniel Bryan, Sami Zayn, Ricochet, and Johnny Gargano. I'm a big work rate guy. 

My favorite current WWE wrestlers are Kevin Owens, Ricochet, Finn Balor,  Asuka, Liv Morgan and Becky Lynch.

[njbuff]

5 hours ago, Logic said:

I just wanted to chime in and say, apropos of nothing, that I really like the NXT product as of late. Specifically, the Takeover: New York event was excellent. The Gargano vs Cole match was OUTSTANDING. Ditto the tag title match and the UK Title match.

I'm an old school wrestling fan. I spend an inordinate amount of time watching old WCW and WWF on the WWE Network. I also spend an inordinate amount of time watching shoot interviews, reading books about wrestling, and reading wrestlecrap.com rants and the like. So to an extent, I'm still kind of wrestling obsessed...I just happen to be obsessed with the wrestling I watched when I grew up. I only VERY CASUALLY follow today's WWE product. I know most of the names and profiles, and I tune into the "Big 3" PPVs ever year. Aside from that, I fade in and out. I just don't care the way I used to.

I will say this, though: The period between, say, 2002 and 2012 was a lost decade for me, as far as WWE goes. That whole Cena/Orton/Batista era is just a snooze-fest for me. Triple H taking over and instituting NXT was the best thing that could've possibly happened to WWE. He basically saved it completely and now has it to where it's about as good a product as it's ever been. He FINALLY talked McMahon out of avoiding indie and ROH and NJPW guys like the plague. They also rightly recognized that there's a huge market for actual quality work rate wrestling. Now they poach anyone worth poaching, and they have the deep, awesome roster to show for it. Raw, Smackdown, NXT, NXT UK, 205 Live, etc, etc....They're in a very strong place going forward.

Getting back to my original comment, I find the NXT matches and characters to be VASTLY more entertaining than the current main roster product. My current favorites (from all rosters) are probably Adam Cole (Bay Bay!), Aleister Black, Shinsuke Nakamura, Daniel Bryan, Sami Zayn, Ricochet, and Johnny Gargano. I'm a big work rate guy. 

 

WWE completely blows.

 

No edge to the product whatsoever.

 

Just look at wrestling from 1997-2001 to today's garbage......... and it's no wonder that millions of wrestling fans have checked out from the WWE.

 

Monday Night Raw went from must see TV to must miss TV. Sad.

[Logic]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

 

WWE completely blows.

 

No edge to the product whatsoever.

 

Just look at wrestling from 1997-2001 to today's garbage......... and it's no wonder that millions of wrestling fans have checked out from the WWE.

 

Monday Night Raw went from must see TV to must miss TV. Sad.

Meh. 

The lack of competition is what "killed" wrestling, if you want to look at it that way. In the years after WCW died, Vince had no competition, and his product got stale. It was only the rise in popularity of ROH, TNA, Chikara, Lucha Underground, etc (i.e. new legitimate competition) that has begun to re-invigorate the product.

The business is and always has been cyclical. It has boom periods and down periods. The late 80s under Hulk Hogan were obviously a boom period, then the WWE (then WWF) hit a lull for a long time. The steroid scandal, guys like Hulk and Macho Man leaving, etc, had Vince McMahon almost to the point of bankruptcy. Then the product hit the biggest boom its ever seen in the late 90s with the Monday Night Wars and Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock. Since the end of that boom, wrestling hasn't quite reached the same highs in popular culture. On the other hand, it's definitely not dying a death or anything. If you tune into Wrestlemania in any given year, you see them selling out football stadiums, with 80,000 fans in attendance. They're an international product and a multi-BILLION dollar industry, complete with their own streaming platform and crossover starts like John Cena and Dave Batista.

Is it what it once was? No. I agree with you there. But the business is cyclical, and it's doing just fine as it is. 

[Koko78]

I'm not sure what was the more interesting revelation last night, Bobby Robert Roode's pornstache or Bray Wyatt's new gimmick.

[Mr Wild]

6 hours ago, Koko78 said:

I'm not sure what was the more interesting revelation last night, Bobby Robert Roode's pornstache or Bray Wyatt's new gimmick.

I have to go with Bray

 

Nothing better then hearing children clap for being barbarically punished

Edited April 23, 2019 by Mr Wild

[BillsPride12]

4 minutes ago, Mr Wild said:

I have to go with Bray

 

W...T....F.....reminds me of an early 90's WWF Gimmick

[Bray Wyatt]

12 hours ago, Mr Wild said:

I have to go with Bray

 

Nothing better then hearing children clap for being barbarically punished

 

I’d say I have to agree ?

18 hours ago, Koko78 said:

I'm not sure what was the more interesting revelation last night, Bobby Robert Roode's pornstache or Bray Wyatt's new gimmick.

 I bet you can guess which one I like!

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 I bet you can guess which one I like!

 

The pornstache is GLORIOUS, isn't it?

[Bray Wyatt]

From the latest Observer, seems like they don't want Harper to walk

Right now the WWE side of things regarding Luke Harper is that he is not going to be released and they’ve added six months to his contract because they’ve said that his contract term that was to end in November, has been added to because it was frozen due to his time off for wrist surgery. So their viewpoint is that he can’t leave until just before next year’s WrestleMania. From an outside perspective, this seems to be a way to dissuade people from going public and saying they’re unhappy. The flip side was Dustin Runnels, who has been out for months with double knee surgery, but because he never said a word, denied he was leaving when rumors came out, was given a release and was able to immediately walk into a good position with AEW .

So did Harper have to agree to the extension? Otherwise this seems pretty shady

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, Bray Wyatt said:

From the latest Observer, seems like they don't want Harper to walk

Right now the WWE side of things regarding Luke Harper is that he is not going to be released and they’ve added six months to his contract because they’ve said that his contract term that was to end in November, has been added to because it was frozen due to his time off for wrist surgery. So their viewpoint is that he can’t leave until just before next year’s WrestleMania. From an outside perspective, this seems to be a way to dissuade people from going public and saying they’re unhappy. The flip side was Dustin Runnels, who has been out for months with double knee surgery, but because he never said a word, denied he was leaving when rumors came out, was given a release and was able to immediately walk into a good position with AEW .

So did Harper have to agree to the extension? Otherwise this seems pretty shady

 

No, he did not have to agree. This is the same thing they pulled with Neville, and some others.

 

WWE Contracts apparently allow the company to freeze the time left on the contract when a performer is out due to illness/injury/whatever. Apparently the freezing provisions cover intentional walkouts as well. McMahon knows that few, if any, wrestlers have the resources to fight him in court over it - even if they were willing to risk career suicide by suing a promoter.

 

Sounds like the company is punishing those who publicly demand their release by enforcing the contract to the letter. Dustin Rhodes, for example, was granted his release, apparently because he did it quietly, and even denied being released a few weeks ago when asked. McMahon always struck me as a guy who would be reasonable if you approach him in a quiet and respectful manner, but has no problem going nuclear if you want to disrespect him by airing out your grievances publicly.

[Fr. Jerk]

 

Enjoy.

[Just Jack]

46 minutes ago, The Jerk said:

 

Enjoy.

 

Watertown, NY, mid 1980's I don't remember the exact year, but it was back when the WWF still did small house shows. Harley Race was the King Of The Ring so sometime after 1986 I think. We were at the Watertown High School gym for a show. Macho was one of the headliners for the night. Part way through the fire alarm starts going off, we think because we could smell burning popcorn from the concession stand. So they ask everyone to exit through the nearest exit. We are standing outside by the exit door and there's a car parked right there. All of a sudden, the door opens and out comes Macho and Elizabeth. He makes Liz get in the car and he stays outside watching the crowd. We were literally less than 10 feet away, and even though he was considered a good guy at the time, he had this look/vibe about him that no one dared approach him for pictures or autographs. Eventually they cleared the fire alarm and let us all back in, but it was so surreal, being that close to him. I kinda wish we could have at least taken a picture of him. 

[njbuff]

WWE out of business yet?

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

WWE out of business yet?

 

No, but their ratings tanked this week. Both Raw and Smackdown dipped below 2 million viewers. Smackdown's numbers are the lowest in over 4 years.

 

Amazing what happens when you spend years refusing to either build stars or have your performers engage in storylines that are actually interesting.

[njbuff]

28 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

No, but their ratings tanked this week. Both Raw and Smackdown dipped below 2 million viewers. Smackdown's numbers are the lowest in over 4 years.

 

Amazing what happens when you spend years refusing to either build stars or have your performers engage in storylines that are actually interesting.

 

Will AEW catch on?????

[Koko78]

8 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

Will AEW catch on?????

 

It will be interesting to see. The Khans can throw a crapton of money at the promotion to keep it afloat, along with using their influence and money to get a TV deal.

 

If they're smart about how they present the product, AEW has a good chance at success. The real question is whether they'll ever really be a threat to the WWE.

[CountryCletus]

On 3/3/2017 at 6:41 PM, Bray Wyatt said:

Didn't see a thread started but us "marks" enjoy discussing what is going on in the world of wrestling so I figured we could have a place to talk about that here

 

Any thoughts on whats shaping up for a good Wrestlemania season? Do you prefer raw or smackdown? Fast lane is this Sunday, goes Owens retain? Who are your favorites and what rumors Do you hear?

Keep your eye on John Rodin... 

[May Day 10]

13 hours ago, Koko78 said:

 

It will be interesting to see. The Khans can throw a crapton of money at the promotion to keep it afloat, along with using their influence and money to get a TV deal.

 

If they're smart about how they present the product, AEW has a good chance at success. The real question is whether they'll ever really be a threat to the WWE.

 

Im hoping so.

 

I just cant do WWE.  I want to, I have tried... but 3 hour Raw shows are impossible and everything gets stretched out and saturated.  Then the Smackdown thing the next night, another 2 hours.  

I watched Wrestlemania, but it was like 6 hours and I couldnt last, and I think I missed the last 3 matches.

 

The storylines and characters are all very miscellaneous and dull.  

[Koko78]

36 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

Im hoping so.

 

I just cant do WWE.  I want to, I have tried... but 3 hour Raw shows are impossible and everything gets stretched out and saturated.  Then the Smackdown thing the next night, another 2 hours.  

I watched Wrestlemania, but it was like 6 hours and I couldnt last, and I think I missed the last 3 matches.

 

The storylines and characters are all very miscellaneous and dull.  

 

A minimum of 5 hours of programming per week, and they still can't find time to tell a coherent story.

 

But hey, we get to see the next PPV main event match wrestled 4 times before the actual match!

[Bray Wyatt]

https://old.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/bjt0ab/won_details_about_luke_harpers_release_request/

 

smh 

[Bray Wyatt]

And im liking where this is going
 

 

[apuszczalowski]

Sooooooo....

 

He's part of the band Slipknot?

Edited May 15, 2019 by apuszczalowski

[Koko78]

https://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2019/5/14/18623796/secret-origin-bray-wyatt-new-mask

 

Cool story about how the mask came to be.

[Bray Wyatt]

1 hour ago, Koko78 said:

https://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2019/5/14/18623796/secret-origin-bray-wyatt-new-mask

 

Cool story about how the mask came to be.

 

Interesting that the guy above you references slipknot when Corey Taylor was in fact involved lol

 

Also shows how creative Bray can be seeing as he had this all in his head and knew people to help get it off the ground, pretty cool

[apuszczalowski]

44 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

Interesting that the guy above you references slipknot when Corey Taylor was in fact involved lol

 

Also shows how creative Bray can be seeing as he had this all in his head and knew people to help get it off the ground, pretty cool

Lol, I found it funny too that I mentioned them and the article mentions Corey Taylor

 

From my understanding though, they didn't have anything to do with his mask, just the place that made this one has also made ones for Corey Taylor of Slipknot.

[Koko78]

The real question is whether or not Bray is going to come out to a Slipknot entrance theme.

[Just Jack]

Ashley Massaro, Former WWE Superstar, Dies at 39

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/ashley-massaro-former-wwe-superstar-dies-at-39

[apuszczalowski]

16 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

Ashley Massaro, Former WWE Superstar, Dies at 39

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/ashley-massaro-former-wwe-superstar-dies-at-39

I'm going to say OD or Suicide, she was part of a lawsuit over CTE and the WWE in the past.