The Media's Portrayal of Trump and His Presidency

[Rob's House]

21 minutes ago, row_33 said:

I would expect rebellion in one’s early years, it was kind of strange watching my peers accept things without a battle

 

so what is reality, your parents and school and people who honestly care about you ?

 

 

 

 

I find the answer to that question increasingly elusive. I'm realizing, not for the first time, but on a deeper level, that virtually everything we are taught is propaganda. Not just our contemporary politics and humanities, but nearly all of human history as it is taught is written by the victors and spread by the powerful to shape our view of the world and the human condition to facilitate the objectives of the propagandists.

 

Every narrative is carefully crafted, and every sacred cow is a barrier to truth.

 

Questioning the narrative is forbidden, lest you be labeled a "conspiracy theorist," who is by definition crazy, and therefore to be dismissed out of hand without further inquiry or consideration.

 

 

20 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

 

Have you read up on the French Revolution and the Jacobians?  Quite a similiarty with modern Progressives trying to erase history and change the language and even their calendar to suit their ideology

 

Cursory studies, but not to the extent I'd like. It's difficult to find worthwhile sources on the subject without dedicating a fair amount of time to it.

 

My suspicion is that those writing the history books find the reality of the situation problematic to their narrative.

Edited December 2, 2019 by Rob's House

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, Rob's House said:

 

I find the answer to that question increasingly elusive. I'm realizing, not for the first time, but on a deeper level, that virtually everything we are taught is propaganda. Not just our contemporary politics and humanities, but nearly all of human history as it is taught is written by the victors and spread by the powerful to shape our view of the world and the human condition to facilitate the objectives of the propagandists.

 

Every narrative is carefully crafted, and every sacred cow is a barrier to truth.

 

Questioning the narrative is forbidden, lest you be labeled a "conspiracy theorist," who is by definition crazy, and therefore to be dismissed out of hand without further inquiry or consideration.

 

 

 

Yep.

 

In school, they call the class "social studies" and not "history."  There's a reason for that.

[Warren Zevon]

ugh the media is SO UNFAIR to Trump

[Rob's House]

This right here is a prime example of my distrust.

 

 

A year ago I may have taken this at face value, but now I'm wondering how accurate this is, what the details are, what's the bigger picture, and what is the motive of the messenger.

 

I don't really believe John Bolton cares all that much about the internal affairs of Iran for humanitarian purposes. 

 

I know I don't support the Islamic theocracy in power over there, but I couldn't tell you what the options are, how the people in that country feel about those options, and what the broader consequences of those actions (or inaction) may be.

 

I do believe most people following this, who are just as ignorant as I, are confident enough in their understanding that they will support measures up to and including war if presented with the proper narrative. 

 

Up until recently I would have too. If done properly, maybe I still would.

3 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

ugh the media is SO UNFAIR to Trump

 

I want to thank you for this. You could have interjected with a thoughtful counterpoint to something being discussed that may have added perspective, but you've given us so much more.

[row_33]

45 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Yep.

 

In school, they call the class "social studies" and not "history."  There's a reason for that.

social science demanded it be taken as seriously as chemistry for prediction of future events

 

trouble is all is seems to do is reflect trendy postures 

 

 

 

 

And chemistry is hard, you have to sit down quietly and read and study it...  you won’t grasp  the subject with social media surfing for a minute or so

 

 

And they will test you real hard and 49 pages of emotional BS won’t get you an A with the wrong answer 

Edited December 2, 2019 by row_33

[Warren Zevon]

47 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

I want to thank you for this.

 

You've been so kind and generous. I don't know how you keep on givin. 

[Rob's House]

5 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

 

You've been so kind and generous. I don't know how you keep on givin. 

 

What can I say. I'm a magnanimous mother *****.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, row_33 said:

———

 

Watched an All in the Family on the weekend and Archie and Mike are having a sit down 

 

Archie agrees things are troubling and asks Mike what his generation’s solutions or plans are

 

and Mike says they don’t need them because Archie’s generation is to blame

 

yup, thought so....even 50 years ago....

 

 

 

 

...and look how WAY far left Reiner is today........SMH..........

[row_33]

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...and look how WAY far left Reiner is today........SMH..........

his daddy was rich and famous enough to get him the gig, Rob never had to grow up 

 

 

[Warren Zevon]

8 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

What can I say. I'm a magnanimous mother *****.

 

na na na na na na na na na naaaaaa

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, row_33 said:

his daddy was rich and famous enough to get him the gig, Rob never had to grow up 

 

 

 

....the "poster boy for relaxed mental hygiene consequences"..............

Rob Reiner likens Trump allies to 'white supremacists' making a 'pact with Putin'

By Tyler McCarthy | Fox News

Never-Trumper Rob Reiner caught backlash on social media after he took aim at the president’s Republican allies, likening them to white supremacists in a renewed call for impeachment.

The actor and director, 72, often uses his Twitter to deride President Trump, his administration and his supporters. On Friday, the notoriously politically outspoken star took to Twitter to once again call for Trump's impeachment and removal from office. He upset many of his critics and followers when he also shared his thoughts on Trump’s allies, accusing them of being in league with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“Every elected Republican knows that this President is guilty of countless Impeachable offenses,” Reiner wrote. “But they, along with many White Evangelicals & White Supremacists have made a pact with Putin. But unlike a pact with the Devil, this one can be unsigned.”

 

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/rob-reiner-trump-allies-white-supremacists-pact-with-putin

 

 

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

“Every elected Republican knows that this President is guilty of countless Impeachable offenses,” Reiner wrote. “But they, along with many White Evangelicals & White Supremacists have made a pact with Putin. But unlike a pact with the Devil, this one can be unsigned.”

 

 

 

 

 

The '80s called, they want their insane political ranting back.  

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

Yep.

 

In school, they call the class "social studies" and not "history."  There's a reason for that.

 

You know I've always wondered that when I was a kid.  Why they didn't call it history class.  

20 minutes ago, row_33 said:

his daddy was rich and famous enough to get him the gig, Rob never had to grow up 

 

 

 

I worked in a restaurant in the ground floor of the building where Castle Rock Entertainment was.  Rob was one of the founding members and came in for lunch pretty much on a daily basis.  I'd call him a douche but that would be an insult to douches.  

[Chef Jim]

19 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

The actor and director, 72, often uses his Twitter to deride President Trump, his administration and his supporters. On Friday, the notoriously politically outspoken star took to

 

What??  Star??  I don't think so.  

[GG]

2 hours ago, Rob's House said:

This right here is a prime example of my distrust.

 

 

A year ago I may have taken this at face value, but now I'm wondering how accurate this is, what the details are, what's the bigger picture, and what is the motive of the messenger.

 

I don't really believe John Bolton cares all that much about the internal affairs of Iran for humanitarian purposes. 

 

I know I don't support the Islamic theocracy in power over there, but I couldn't tell you what the options are, how the people in that country feel about those options, and what the broader consequences of those actions (or inaction) may be.

 

I do believe most people following this, who are just as ignorant as I, are confident enough in their understanding that they will support measures up to and including war if presented with the proper narrative. 

 

Up until recently I would have too. If done properly, maybe I still would.

 

I want to thank you for this. You could have interjected with a thoughtful counterpoint to something being discussed that may have added perspective, but you've given us so much more.

 

Bolton has been the biggest Iran hawk for decades.  His tweet is not out of character at all.

[Rob's House]

43 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Bolton has been the biggest Iran hawk for decades.  His tweet is not out of character at all.

 

I understand that. My point was less about Bolton and this specific issue, and more about my skepticism of anything I'm hearing from anyone in government or media. That tweet was just an example I used to illustrate that point.

 

I used to view these things with a lot less skepticism.

 

Now I wonder, not whether Bolton is consistent in his position, but what his motivations are. Why is he so interested in this, and what is the rest of the story.

 

It's entirely possible that I would agree with him entirely if I knew all the facts. But I don't. And most people don't. But we're quick to jump on board.

 

I think it's prudent to take everything we're told with great skepticism.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[DC Tom]

27 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

You know...the case against his tweets being ghost-written is simply that it's a violation of child labor laws to employ eight year olds.  

 

Jesus Christ, this guy is immature as *****.  

[row_33]

4 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

You know...the case against his tweets being ghost-written is simply that it's a violation of child labor laws to employ eight year olds.  

 

Jesus Christ, this guy is immature as *****.  

still five million times better than Hillary

 

 

[IDBillzFan]

 

4 hours ago, DC Tom said:

Jesus Christ, this guy is immature as *****.  

 

And yet still not stupid enough to think a good plan is to gather a bunch of far-right shrinks to declare his competition mentally unstable.

 

 

[B-Man]

Claiming Trump is a cult leader is the latest newsroom fad

by Becket Adams

Original Article

 

Certain members of the media need to get out more often. They are doing that thing again where they are all saying the exact same thing. The latest fad promoted by members of the commentariat involves alleging that Republicans and Trump supporters are members of a “cult.” Edgy stuff — almost as edgy as it was in 2016. “Increasingly, President Trump’s support seems cultish,” disgraced newsman Dan Rather said on Nov. 17 during an appearance on CNN’s ironically named Reliable Sources. 

 

 

 

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[B-Man]

#JOURNALISM:

 

 

 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

9 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

 

And yet still not stupid enough to think a good plan is to gather a bunch of far-right shrinks to declare his competition mentally unstable.

 

 

No need when the evidence is on display pretty much on a daily basis 

[B-Man]

I left out about 10-12 others, but you get the idea...........

Carpe Donktum shares hands-down the BEST thread about how political Twitter reacts every time Trump tweets and ROFL

 

 

MAGA: THIS IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL HORSE THAT WAS EVER CREATED

LIBS: YOU SHOULD BE IN JAIL, THE HORSE DESERVES BETTER

CNN BREAKING NEWS: President Trump tweeted a horse that was probably thinking bad thoughts, our panel discusses after the break.

 

MSNBC: President Trump tweeted a picture of an Arabian horse, clearly a dog whistle to his Islamophobic base

Feminist Twitter: Why does the horse have to be a male? This is just another example of Trumps war on women.

Huffington Post: How Stallions are hurting transhorses

 

Brian Stelter: President Trump tweeted this photo of a horse and did not credit the photographer. Every single day this president defies the norms and attacks the free press, thumbing his nose at decency.

Rachel Maddow: This horse, we found him, and we have his tax returns.

 

The Daily Beast: Trump's "Horse Picture" linked to Antisemitism, here is the horses address and social security number.

The New York Times: SOURCE says the Horse is the power behind the throne, Trump sits in his office watching gorilla channel all day.

 

Elizabeth Warren: This is a mockery of my people, they depended on horses, not for something pretty to look at, but to survive. We need to tax the rich to buy the poor their own horses.

Biden: I had a horse just like that when I was in the pony express with Obama.

 

Pelosi: This horsh that Tump tweefted, is a clear *hiccup* shignal that he is unqualitied for the othfice of the presidentury

AOC: Cows are bad, but horses are like literally the devil. This guy... a cosmopolitan? coming right up... like doesn't care about the environment AT ALL

 

Hannity: Tonight we are going to expose what the Destroy Trump Media doesn't want you to know about this noble horse, later we talk to the great one about horse pedigree

Juan Williams: Come on, this horse is clearly a call back to what Trump thinks was a better time... Slavery

 

Kanye: Yo. That's a horse.

MSM in Unison: Kanye has gone crazy again

Don Lemon: He... tweeted... a horse. I would say this was a new low for this white house... but I... would... be... lying. There has never been a white house... this.. racist.

 

Eric Swalwell: We have a president that just tweets things like this and... doesn't... think... about the consequences. It's time someone took the reigns *fart* and lead this country

 

Hillary Clinton: It's times like these that I wish that I could tell every little girl in America that they can have a horse, but in Trump's America this is not the case. #WildHorsesCantStopWomen

Planned Parenthood: Horse Abortion is Horsecare

Comey: *Picture of him in a field*

 

Washington Post: Trump Horse sent homophobic tweets in 2008 #CancelHorses

 

RussiaGaters: Remember that Putin had his picture taken on a horse, comrade Trump is signaling his boss that he is ready to receive orders.

 

 

 

Trump to reporters in front of Marine One:

What about the horse? I saw a horse, it was beautiful, did you see it? It was a great big beautiful horse and I thought, what a great horse, I should take a picture. So I did. No conspiracy, you people are so crazy. Its a horse!

[RochesterRob]

51 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Claiming Trump is a cult leader is the latest newsroom fad

by Becket Adams

Original Article

 

Certain members of the media need to get out more often. They are doing that thing again where they are all saying the exact same thing. The latest fad promoted by members of the commentariat involves alleging that Republicans and Trump supporters are members of a “cult.” Edgy stuff — almost as edgy as it was in 2016. “Increasingly, President Trump’s support seems cultish,” disgraced newsman Dan Rather said on Nov. 17 during an appearance on CNN’s ironically named Reliable Sources. 

 

 

 

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  Well, declaring him a super Hitler didn't work so.........................................

[Bob in Mich]

49 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Well, declaring him a super Hitler didn't work so.........................................

 

Morning Rob.  I understand those making fun of comparisons to Hitler.  He was arguably the biggest monster to ever live.  Donnie is a saint by comparison.

 

Most that make fun of the comparison I believe get the point of the comparison but intentionally ignore it.  Where the comparison makes sense is in Hitler's rise to power.  Looking back, I am fascinated that he was seemingly able to hypnotize so many Germans and to convince them to willingly give up democracy in favor of a Hitler Dictatorship.  

 

History was never my best subject but it appears that the comparison holds up reasonably well when looking at 1930's Hitler.

- He has declared a group to focus blame

-He has declared the press to be the enemy

-He lies blatantly to the people

-He has clouded truth overall in this country

-He has stated political opponents should be jailed

-He has undermined confidence in other government organizations

-He has built/commandeered a huge propaganda machine

-etc

Edited December 3, 2019 by Bob in Mich

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Morning Rob.  I understand those making fun of comparisons to Hitler.  He was arguably the biggest monster to ever live.  Donnie is a saint by comparison.

 

Most that make fun of the comparison I believe get the point of the comparison but intentionally ignore it.  Where the comparison makes sense is in Hitler's rise to power.  Looking back, I am fascinated that he was seemingly able to hypnotize so many Germans and to convince them to willingly give up democracy in favor of a Hitler Dictatorship.  

 

History was never my best subject but it appears that he comparison holds up reasonably well when looking at 1930's Hitler.

- He has declared a group to focus blame

-He has declared the press to be the enemy

-He lies blatantly to the people

-He has clouded truth overall in this country

-He has stated political opponents should be jailed

-He has undermined confidence in other government organizations

-He has built/commandeered a huge propaganda machine

-etc

+ He acts as if he is above the law, and his followers blindly makes excuses for him

+ His economic "solutions" are really national

socialist in nature: tariffs, governmrnt projects and welfare to

farmers

+ He has violated checks and balances at his pleasure, the very bed rock of our republican form

of government 

+ he has conspired with foreign powers to interfere, obstruct and manipulate our elections and subvert our democracy 

+ He has incited to violence and terrorism

tje domestic crazies in our midst

+ He has refused lawful orders  to produce testimony, witnesses and documents that would create transparency into the workings of OUR government 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

9 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Morning Rob.  I understand those making fun of comparisons to Hitler.  He was arguably the biggest monster to ever live.  Donnie is a saint by comparison.

 

Most that make fun of the comparison I believe get the point of the comparison but intentionally ignore it.  Where the comparison makes sense is in Hitler's rise to power.  Looking back, I am fascinated that he was seemingly able to hypnotize so many Germans and to convince them to willingly give up democracy in favor of a Hitler Dictatorship.  

 

History was never my best subject but it appears that the comparison holds up reasonably well when looking at 1930's Hitler.

- He has declared a group to focus blame -- ORANGE MAN BAD! ANY WHO DISAGREE IS A NAZI!

-He has declared the press to be the enemy -- (already been co-opted, is an ally)

-He lies blatantly to the people -- RUSSIA AND TRUMP CONSPIRED TO STEAL THE ELECTION! 

-He has clouded truth overall in this country -- THREE YEARS OF INFORMATION WARFARE ABOUT THE ABOVE, AND BOB STILL BELIEVES IT! 

-He has stated political opponents should be jailed -- THEY CHANGED THE ENTIRE PREMISE OF OUR LEGAL SYSTEM TO TRY TO GET TRUMP'S TEAM

-He has undermined confidence in other government organizations -- THEY GUTTED AMERICAN CONFIDENCE IN THE DOJ/FBI/IC BY ABUSING THEIR POWER 

-He has built/commandeered a huge propaganda machine -- SEE ABOVE.

-etc

 

Take a REAL close look at that Bob, then ask who's the ***** fool. 

 

Dumb people like Bob make REAL dumb arguments like the above. 

 

 

[RochesterRob]

19 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Morning Rob.  I understand those making fun of comparisons to Hitler.  He was arguably the biggest monster to ever live.  Donnie is a saint by comparison.

 

Most that make fun of the comparison I believe get the point of the comparison but intentionally ignore it.  Where the comparison makes sense is in Hitler's rise to power.  Looking back, I am fascinated that he was seemingly able to hypnotize so many Germans and to convince them to willingly give up democracy in favor of a Hitler Dictatorship.  

 

History was never my best subject but it appears that he comparison holds up reasonably well when looking at 1930's Hitler.

- He has declared a group to focus blame

-He has declared the press to be the enemy

-He lies blatantly to the people

-He has clouded truth overall in this country

-He has stated political opponents should be jailed

-He has undermined confidence in other government organizations

-He has built/commandeered a huge propaganda machine

-etc

  Your history is somewhat faulty.  Stalin and Mao each were thought to have killed more people than Hitler and the fact that information was throttled coming out of those nations only creates doubts as to lesser numbers killed.  Further, Stalin and Mao had focuses for blame to energize the general population.  Freedom of the press simply did not exist under Stalin and Mao.  I would ask how Trump built a huge propaganda machine when much of media is very hostile towards Trump?  Dictators have absolute control over 100 percent of the media in their nations which is definitely not the case with Trump.  

Edited December 3, 2019 by RochesterRob

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, RochesterRob said:

  Your history is somewhat faulty. 

 

It's all the way faulty. 

 

Bob does not know his history. Or his current events. His post proves it.

[row_33]

waking and baking tends to make you forget..... things.... dude....

 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, row_33 said:

waking and baking tends to make you forget..... things.... dude....

 

 

This is well beyond that. This is a man who's lost his way badly because he's so desperate to virtue signal that he's better than others. 

 

Self absorbed, stoned, and stupid is no way to go through life. But that's Bob's MO.

[RochesterRob]

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Take a REAL close look at that Bob, then ask who's the ***** fool. 

 

Dumb people like Bob make REAL dumb arguments like the above. 

 

 

  People like Tiberius, Gary Busey, Bob, etc. wax longingly to live in the 1950's Soviet Union where pesky dissenters were shown who's boss.

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, RochesterRob said:

  People like Tiberius, Gary Busey, Bob, etc. wax longingly to live in the 1950's Soviet Union where pesky dissenters were shown who's boss.

 

They are, quite literally, programmed humans. They have no capacity for individual thought, nor do they wish to develop any. 

 

Their loss. And they'll suffer mightily trying to understand what's happening in the year to come.

[row_33]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

They are, quite literally, programmed humans. They have no capacity for individual thought, nor do they wish to develop any. 

 

Their loss. And they'll suffer mightily trying to understand what's happening in the year to come.

 

good thing nobody is depending on them to do anything useful

 

[DC Tom]

21 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Morning Rob.  I understand those making fun of comparisons to Hitler.  He was arguably the biggest monster to ever live.  Donnie is a saint by comparison.

 

Most that make fun of the comparison I believe get the point of the comparison but intentionally ignore it.  Where the comparison makes sense is in Hitler's rise to power.  Looking back, I am fascinated that he was seemingly able to hypnotize so many Germans and to convince them to willingly give up democracy in favor of a Hitler Dictatorship.  

 

History was never my best subject

 

No *****?  

[Bob in Mich]

4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Your history is somewhat faulty.  Stalin and Mao each were thought to have killed more people than Hitler and the fact that information was throttled coming out of those nations only creates doubts as to more lesser numbers killed.  Further, Stalin and Mao had focuses for blame to energize the general population.  Freedom of the press simply did not exist under Stalin and Mao.  I would ask how Trump built a huge propaganda machine when much of media is very hostile towards Trump?  Dictators have absolute control over 100 percent of the media in their nations which is definitely not the case with Trump.  

 

Maybe you could clarify your point.  Are you actually taking issue with my contention that Hitler was arguably the planet's biggest monster?  If so, my point eluded you.  What do Stalin or Mao's regimes have to do with Hitler and Donnie's comparison?

 

Fox News is Trump's propaganda machine today. 

[Deranged Rhino]

2 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

  If so, my point eluded you. 

 

Your point even eluded you, dumbass.

[DC Tom]

Just now, Bob in Mich said:

 

Maybe you could clarify your point.  Are you actually taking issue with my contention that Hitler was arguably the planet's biggest monster?  If so, my point eluded you.  What do Stalin or Mao's regimes have to do with Hitler and Donnie's comparison?

 

Fox News is Trump's propaganda machine today. 

 

You know...people in glass houses, throwing stones, etc.  What's the reason "National Marijuana Day" is celebrated on Hitler's Birthday?

[GG]

28 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

History was never my best subject but it appears that the comparison holds up reasonably well when looking at 1930's Hitler.

 

 

Yet you have no problems using history as a pretext to paint a false narrative?   

 

Then you wonder why people make fun of you?