Trump and Russia

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

That's about as funny of a conspiracy theory as Seth Rich being the one who gave Julian Assange the hacked emails! Mueller comments on that lie right in the report.

 

Now who was spreading that lie on here? Hmmmmm.....

 

Mueller's report actually directly contradicts many lies that have been spread by certain individuals on this board. LOL. Love it.

 

Read the report! Not Russian generated propaganda!

 

Read the Report!

 

 

But not nearly as funny as the conspiracy theory that there was collusion with the Russian government.  By the Trump campaign, that is.

[row_33]

11 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

 

But not nearly as funny as the conspiracy theory that there was collusion with the Russian government.  By the Trump campaign, that is.

But you do admit Russia helped Trump win, right?

Rudy Giuliani says
there's "nothing
wrong" with taking
info from Russia

CBS News

 

 

I mean they are admitting it

Just now, Doc said:

 

They did?  How?

I already told you, you just going to play dumb?

 

Have you read the report?

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

They did?  How?

Hacking

[Doc]

The report said nothing of the sort.

[row_33]

15 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

 

But not nearly as funny as the conspiracy theory that there was collusion with the Russian government.  By the Trump campaign, that is.

 

what's America without politicians screaming the other side is a truckle for the big Russian threat?

 

since 1917 and continuing to 2217 probables

 

 

[Doc]

Nice try, though.

[row_33]

10 minutes ago, Doc said:

Nice try, though.

 

did you expect anything else?

 

 

[Doc]

Just now, row_33 said:

what's America without politicians screaming the other side is a truckle for the big Russian threat?

 

since 1917 and continuing to 2217 probables

 

Except in 2012. 

Just now, row_33 said:

did you expect anything else?

 

Nope.  Just bored and like stringing him along.

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

The report said nothing of the sort.

So you have not read it, ok

 

And we shall see right here in this thread it said that and lots more!

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Nope.  Just bored and like stringing him along.

Bored? You should read the report then! Don't be afraid of the truth

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

So you have not read it, ok

 

And we shall see right here in this thread it said that and lots more!

 

You may have read it, but you obviously didn't understand it.

 

But I realize that that's the new lib talking point.

[row_33]

i read reports of this nature for good $$$, there's not a hope i care at all to bother reading one for free

 

and as if these bozos could read it and grasp the nuances and reality of a report of this nature.//

 

 

[Tiberius]

59 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

You may have read it, but you obviously didn't understand it.

 

But I realize that that's the new lib talking point.

How am I suppose to interpret that "Russia interfered in the 2016 election is a systematic and sweeping fashion" to help Trump?

 

LOl, you are proving the old point that the truth has a liberal bias. Thanks!

 

Take off the partisan blinders for once. Stop being a coward and start being a patriot!

 

Don't you believe in the republican system of government?

[Boatdrinks]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

They hacked the DNC's entire computer system. You do understand why people, organizations, etc. have passwords, right? Well, Russia gave Trump every last piece of information the Dems had and he used it.

 

Information is one of the most important things we  humans have. That's why we have pass words. Through Russian criminality Trump got Hillary's playbook, secrets, internal polling, strategies, etc. Heck, I bet you are angry Dems want to see Trump's taxes, right?

 

Not many people are saying it yet, but this was a stolen election. And not just because of what I have posted today.

 

Have you read the report?

Haven’t yet read it. Read the varying “ interpretations” but that’s about it. Your terms , “ playbook, secrets, strategies..” are meaningless jargon. These two candidates could not have been more different from one another. You act as though winning an election is some deep mystery, shrouded in secrecy , to be won in a way that isn’t understood by the common man. Polling is widely available and what is the value of internal polling ? There is so much media coverage preceding an election that very little is truly “ unknown “. Isn’t an election won or lost on “ the issues” ?  While I understand the need for passwords, are they the key to winning the Presidency. Personally, I don’t care about Trumps taxes and neither did many others. Many “ secrets” came out about the Donald, and he still won. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

How am I suppose to interpret that "Russia interfered in the 2016 election is a systematic and sweeping fashion" to help Trump?

 

LOl, you are proving the old point that the truth has a liberal bias. Thanks!

 

Take off the partisan blinders for once. Stop being a coward and start being a patriot!

 

Don't you believe in the republican system of government?

 

How?  By realizing “interfering” doesn’t mean they changed a single person’s vote.  Hilly was just a bad candidate. Accept it and move on. 

Edited April 22, 2019 by Doc

[Tiberius]

11 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Haven’t yet read it. Read the varying “ interpretations” but that’s about it. Your terms , “ playbook, secrets, strategies..” are meaningless jargon. These two candidates could not have been more different from one another. You act as though winning an election is some deep mystery, shrouded in secrecy , to be won in a way that isn’t understood by the common man. Polling is widely available and what is the value of internal polling ? There is so much media coverage preceding an election that very little is truly “ unknown “. Isn’t an election won or lost on “ the issues” ?  While I understand the need for passwords, are they the key to winning the Presidency. Personally, I don’t care about Trumps taxes and neither did many others. Many “ secrets” came out about the Donald, and he still won. 

You are just being willfully blind. You are being silly. Of course spying and weaponizing stolen information is important to an election campaign. You can't excuse Trumps secrets and then say privacy for a political campaign doesn't matter. Oh wait, you literally are saying that! Seriously! 

 

 

 

 

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House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.) clobbers Trump: “The obstruction of justice in particular in this case is far worse than anything that Richard Nixon did. … I would say in every way this is more significant than Watergate. And the fact that a candidate for president and now president of the United States would not only not stand up and resist Russian interference in our election but would welcome it goes well beyond anything Nixon did.” Yup.

[row_33]

11 hours ago, Doc said:

 

How?  By realizing “interfering” doesn’t mean they changed a single person’s vote.  Hilly was just a bad candidate. Accept it and move on. 

 

they lost and they won't change their diapers for the next 6 years

 

they are swallowing poison in their resentment and hoping you die from it

 

best comedy as we await another Curb season, maybe from their palliative beds

 

[Tiberius]

10 hours ago, Doc said:

 

How?  By realizing “interfering” doesn’t mean they changed a single person’s vote.  Hilly was just a bad candidate. Accept it and move on. 

Hilly was a terrible candidate, but she was still illegally hacked and it took a foreign power to help Trump, perhaps, beat her. (We have not gotten to the hacked election systems yet) 

 

if if she was so bad Trump wouldn't have needed Russia's help to illegally steal all the Democrats secrets. You are turning a blind eye to a very evil act. 

[3rdnlng]

https://www.worldtribune.com/greatest-hits-21-report-says-dnc-files-were-copied-not-hacked-5-days-before-murder-of-seth-rich/

 

Key findings in the report by the IT specialist known as The Forensicator:

• On 7/5/2016 at approximately 6:45 PM Eastern time, someone copied the data that eventually appears on the “NGP VAN” 7zip file (the subject of this analysis). This 7zip file was published by a persona named Guccifer 2, two months later on September 13, 2016.
• Due to the estimated speed of transfer (23 MB/s) calculated in this study, it is unlikely that this initial data transfer could have been done remotely over the Internet.
• The initial copying activity was likely done from a computer system that had direct access to the data. “Direct access” means that the individual who was collecting the data either had physical access to the computer where the data was stored, or the data was copied over a local high speed network (LAN).
• This initial copying activity was done on a system where Eastern Daylight Time (EDT) settings were in force. Most likely, the computer used to initially copy the data was located somewhere on the East Coast.
• The data was likely initially copied to a computer running Linux, because the file last modified times all reflect the apparent time of the copy and this is a characteristic of the Linux ‘cp’ command (using default options).
• A Linux OS may have been booted from a USB flash drive and the data may have been copied back to the same flash drive, which will likely have been formatted with the Linux (ext4) file system.

Analysts believe the most important aspect in The Forensicator’s report is the “estimated speed of transfer (23 MB/s)” at which the documents were copied. Analysts say it’s “inconceivable” the DNC documents could have been copied at such speed from a remote location.

Disobedient Media noted that “The Forensicator concluded that the chance that the files had been accessed and downloaded remotely over the Internet were too small to give this idea any serious consideration. He explained that the calculated transfer speeds for the initial copy were much faster than can be supported by an Internet connection.

“This is extremely significant and completely discredits allegations of Russian hacking

[RochesterRob]

48 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Hilly was a terrible candidate, but she was still illegally hacked and it took a foreign power to help Trump, perhaps, beat her. (We have not gotten to the hacked election systems yet) 

 

if if she was so bad Trump wouldn't have needed Russia's help to illegally steal all the Democrats secrets. You are turning a blind eye to a very evil act. 

  Hacked election systems?  The Democrats do not want any light shined there.

[Tiberius]

23 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

https://www.worldtribune.com/greatest-hits-21-report-says-dnc-files-were-copied-not-hacked-5-days-before-murder-of-seth-rich/

 

Key findings in the report by the IT specialist known as The Forensicator:

• On 7/5/2016 at approximately 6:45 PM Eastern time, someone copied the data that eventually appears on the “NGP VAN” 7zip file (the subject of this analysis). This 7zip file was published by a persona named Guccifer 2, two months later on September 13, 2016.
• Due to the estimated speed of transfer (23 MB/s) calculated in this study, it is unlikely that this initial data transfer could have been done remotely over the Internet.
• The initial copying activity was likely done from a computer system that had direct access to the data. “Direct access” means that the individual who was collecting the data either had physical access to the computer where the data was stored, or the data was copied over a local high speed network (LAN).
• This initial copying activity was done on a system where Eastern Daylight Time (EDT) settings were in force. Most likely, the computer used to initially copy the data was located somewhere on the East Coast.
• The data was likely initially copied to a computer running Linux, because the file last modified times all reflect the apparent time of the copy and this is a characteristic of the Linux ‘cp’ command (using default options).
• A Linux OS may have been booted from a USB flash drive and the data may have been copied back to the same flash drive, which will likely have been formatted with the Linux (ext4) file system.

Analysts believe the most important aspect in The Forensicator’s report is the “estimated speed of transfer (23 MB/s)” at which the documents were copied. Analysts say it’s “inconceivable” the DNC documents could have been copied at such speed from a remote location.

Disobedient Media noted that “The Forensicator concluded that the chance that the files had been accessed and downloaded remotely over the Internet were too small to give this idea any serious consideration. He explained that the calculated transfer speeds for the initial copy were much faster than can be supported by an Internet connection.

“This is extremely significant and completely discredits allegations of Russian hacking

? Ya, they just fell out of the sky, these documents did!

 

Which crackerjack box did the Forensicator get his credentials out of?

 

The Seth Rich conspiracy garbage lives on I see.

 

Well, I guess we see Trump was lying about the report saying No Collusion, lol. Back to attack the report with loony garbage.

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/04/21/rudy-giuliani-trump-camp-russia/

Quote

 

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani insisted Sunday there was “nothing wrong” with the president’s 2016 campaign taking information from the Russians, as House Democrats pledged stepped-up investigations into campaign misconduct and possible crimes of obstruction detailed in special counsel Robert Mueller’s report.

Giuliani called the Trump campaign’s effort to get political help from representatives of the Russian government possibly ill-advised but not illegal.

 

 

Nothing wrong?!?!?!?

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

You are just being willfully blind. You are being silly. Of course spying and weaponizing stolen information is important to an election campaign. You can't excuse Trumps secrets and then say privacy for a political campaign doesn't matter. Oh wait, you literally are saying that! Seriously! 

 

 

 

 

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House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.) clobbers Trump: “The obstruction of justice in particular in this case is far worse than anything that Richard Nixon did. … I would say in every way this is more significant than Watergate. And the fact that a candidate for president and now president of the United States would not only not stand up and resist Russian interference in our election but would welcome it goes well beyond anything Nixon did.” Yup.

Okay, now it’s about obstruction of justice. Did that help win the election ? Nope. It was already over. You are the one being silly, as per usual. As I stated, many secrets about the Donald came out . Even in the critical period just before the general election. You are mad that Hillary lost, and are more focused on the fact that some emails were stolen than you are about the content of those emails. No fair! you say. Sorry but the vast majority of Trump voters weren’t converted Hillary supporters. The emails only cemented their choice, it didn’t change anything. Say what you want to about obstruction, but the election was already lost. 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Okay, now it’s about obstruction of justice. Did that help win the election ? Nope. It was already over. You are the one being silly, as per usual. As I stated, many secrets about the Donald came out . Even in the critical period just before the general election. You are mad that Hillary lost, and are more focused on the fact that some emails were stolen than you are about the content of those emails. No fair! you say. Sorry but the vast majority of Trump voters weren’t converted Hillary supporters. The emails only cemented their choice, it didn’t change anything. Say what you want to about obstruction, but the election was already lost. 

My bad, should have posted that elsewhere about his obstruction of justice.

 

I'm glad we are doing this though, I can answer all the misinformation then.

 

1) You are wrong it was just emails, it was literally anything and everything in their files. Any reasonable person would conclude that was a serious thing, THAT'S WHY ITS A CRIME TO HACK PEOPLE.

 

2) Your point that Trump voters had made up their minds is fair, but it misses the other part of the strategy which was suppressing Hillary support. Making her look bad (Like to Bernie voters) makes people less likely to vote for her especially  if you target certain states, areas and demographics, which they did. Looks like it worked as planned.

 

Oh, I'm not mad Hillary lost, I'm just totally into seeing those that interfered in our election are brought to justice. This is fun! It's also fun showing how little certain people care that an election was stolen. Those people will be the first to complain about an athlete not standing for the national anthem or something, yet when our very republic is compromised by a murderous dictators government, they are too busy to care, lol

[Boatdrinks]

5 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

My bad, should have posted that elsewhere about his obstruction of justice.

 

I'm glad we are doing this though, I can answer all the misinformation then.

 

1) You are wrong it was just emails, it was literally anything and everything in their files. Any reasonable person would conclude that was a serious thing, THAT'S WHY ITS A CRIME TO HACK PEOPLE.

 

2) Your point that Trump voters had made up their minds is fair, but it misses the other part of the strategy which was suppressing Hillary support. Making her look bad (Like to Bernie voters) makes people less likely to vote for her especially  if you target certain states, areas and demographics, which they did. Looks like it worked as planned.

 

Oh, I'm not mad Hillary lost, I'm just totally into seeing those that interfered in our election are brought to justice. This is fun! It's also fun showing how little certain people care that an election was stolen. Those people will be the first to complain about an athlete not standing for the national anthem or something, yet when our very republic is compromised by a murderous dictators government, they are too busy to care, lol

Russia has been involved in attempting to influence elections and political opinion before. No crime was committed by Trump or his campaign. It didn’t rise to that level. Oh well. I simply don’t believe that Russia had any effect here, and you do. Fine. The demographics needed to win certain states is information widely available. Trump clearly understood the electoral college and where he needed to win to take the election. It’s no secret, everyone knows that that are just a few key swing states that decide the election as all the others are firmly entrenched. No mystery here, if you aren’t too busy to pay attention. 

[3rdnlng]

20 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Okay, now it’s about obstruction of justice. Did that help win the election ? Nope. It was already over. You are the one being silly, as per usual. As I stated, many secrets about the Donald came out . Even in the critical period just before the general election. You are mad that Hillary lost, and are more focused on the fact that some emails were stolen than you are about the content of those emails. No fair! you say. Sorry but the vast majority of Trump voters weren’t converted Hillary supporters. The emails only cemented their choice, it didn’t change anything. Say what you want to about obstruction, but the election was already lost. 

The critical point here is how the DNC info was taken. It seems like there is ample evidence to believe that it was downloaded to a thumb drive from inside the DNC. Whether it was Seth Rich or not is immaterial. If the download speed was too fast for online hacking then it pretty much belies any Russian involvement in stealing the information. Without that presumption the Left's case falls completely apart and the IC and media are shown to be complicit in this fraud of an investigation.

[RochesterRob]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

My bad, should have posted that elsewhere about his obstruction of justice.

 

I'm glad we are doing this though, I can answer all the misinformation then.

 

1) You are wrong it was just emails, it was literally anything and everything in their files. Any reasonable person would conclude that was a serious thing, THAT'S WHY ITS A CRIME TO HACK PEOPLE.

 

2) Your point that Trump voters had made up their minds is fair, but it misses the other part of the strategy which was suppressing Hillary support. Making her look bad (Like to Bernie voters) makes people less likely to vote for her especially  if you target certain states, areas and demographics, which they did. Looks like it worked as planned.

 

Oh, I'm not mad Hillary lost, I'm just totally into seeing those that interfered in our election are brought to justice. This is fun! It's also fun showing how little certain people care that an election was stolen. Those people will be the first to complain about an athlete not standing for the national anthem or something, yet when our very republic is compromised by a murderous dictators government, they are too busy to care, lol

  Does that justice just apply to those who you dislike or is it for all who violated the sanctity of this nation or other nations?  I have a feeling that you will go quiet when this discussion broadens to US interference in other nation's politic's under Democratic POTUS's.  

[reddogblitz]

4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Hilly was a terrible candidate, but she was still illegally hacked

 

Do the Ds or Hillary with her "personal email server" get any blame fornot having their security software up to date and effective?  Hillary's server wasn't even SSL encrypted.    Putting an email server out there without even encrypting what's received or sent fails Information Technology 101.  Come on man.

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

The Seth Rich conspiracy garbage lives on I see.

 

The Sech Rich conspiracy will be put to bed when the real killer(s) are found and prosecuted.  You really buy this botched robbery attempt in the one spot in the neighborhood that happened to not have video surveillance?  Why did Donna Brazille dedicate that book to him again?

 

I'm not saying it's true or not. But it has been far from disproven IMHO.  Get OJ on the case. Find the real killer.

Edited April 22, 2019 by reddogblitz

[3rdnlng]

13 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Do the Ds or Hillary with her "personal email server" get any blame fornot having their security software up to date and effective.  Hillary's server wasn't even SSL encrypted.    Putting an email server out there without even encrypting what's received or sent fails Information Technology 101.  Come on man.

 

The Sech Rich conspiracy will be put to bed when the real killer(s) are found and prosecuted.  You really buy this botched robbery attempt in the one spot in the neighborhood that happened to not have video surveillance?  Why did Donna Brazille dedicate that book to him again?

 

I'm not saying it's true or not. But it has been far from disproven IMHO.  Get OJ on the case. Find the real killer.

It could have been Seth Rich or anybody not named Ivan who downloaded the info directly from the DNC computer. It is highly unlikely if not impossible for anyone to have hacked the info online.

[Tiberius]

3 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Do the Ds or Hillary with her "personal email server" get any blame fornot having their security software up to date and effective?  Hillary's server wasn't even SSL encrypted.    Putting an email server out there without even encrypting what's received or sent fails Information Technology 101.  Come on man.

 

 

Blaming the victim does not in any way excuse Trump using a corrupt foreign power to weigh in on our democracy. He was told the Russians were interfering and instead of calling the FBI he reached out to Rusdia. Ya, that's Hillarysfault! Come on man! 

 

Are you saying you are ok with Trump doing this again? Using Putin again? You are ok with this being normal? 

4 hours ago, RochesterRob said:

  Does that justice just apply to those who you dislike or is it for all who violated the sanctity of this nation or other nations?  I have a feeling that you will go quiet when this discussion broadens to US interference in other nation's politic's under Democratic POTUS's.  

So you are indirectly saying you are ok with what Trump did? Do you want this normalized? Are you hoping Russia attacks again and again? Is this the new normal you want? 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

When Max Boot is on your side, chances are you're on the wrong side of history. 

[Tiberius]

5 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Russia has been involved in attempting to influence elections and political opinion before. No crime was committed by Trump or his campaign. It didn’t rise to that level. Oh well. I simply don’t believe that Russia had any effect here, and you do. Fine. The demographics needed to win certain states is information widely available. Trump clearly understood the electoral college and where he needed to win to take the election. It’s no secret, everyone knows that that are just a few key swing states that decide the election as all the others are firmly entrenched. No mystery here, if you aren’t too busy to pay attention. 

My opinion is that they did make a difference. How could a sustained and widespread effort not make some difference? 

 

But it that's not the point. Even if they accidentally helped HillRy it would be wrong. Trump reaching out and accepting their help should disqualify him for the office. He should have done the patriotic thing and called the FBI, instead he accepted murderous Putins help 

[reddogblitz]

27 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

How could a sustained and widespread effort not make some difference? 

 

Did you watch the Bills at all between 2000 and 2016?

 

Serious question: What help did Trump receive from Pooty Poot exactly?   Now that the report is out and you have read it, I would think you could point to a few concrete examples (if there are any).

[Deranged Rhino]

29 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

My opinion is that they did make a difference. How could a sustained and widespread effort not make some difference? 

 

But it that's not the point. Even if they accidentally helped HillRy it would be wrong. Trump reaching out and accepting their help should disqualify him for the office. He should have done the patriotic thing and called the FBI, instead he accepted murderous Putins help 

 

Would love your answers to these questions: 

 

1) If Trump reaching out and accepting help (which he did not do) is a disqualifying offense, what then do you make of Hillary and Obama's efforts to pay Russian intelligence officers for disinformation to use against Trump in the campaign? 

 

2) The FBI had a duty to inform Trump about what they suspected was happening with his campaign, and they didn't. Why? Isn't that at least a little strange to you?

[Boatdrinks]

32 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

My opinion is that they did make a difference. How could a sustained and widespread effort not make some difference? 

 

But it that's not the point. Even if they accidentally helped HillRy it would be wrong. Trump reaching out and accepting their help should disqualify him for the office. He should have done the patriotic thing and called the FBI, instead he accepted murderous Putins help 

But whatever he “ did”  does not disqualify him for the office. I do not share your opinion that this “ sustained and widespread effort” made any significant difference. Just what difference did it make, then? Did it mobilize voters that supported Trump? Russians didn’t cast any votes. I doubt they changed anyone’s mind. A few memes on Facebook doesn’t change anyone’s mind. Well, perhaps a few feeble ones. Candidates state their positions and voters vote based on that. You seem to think winning an election happens through manipulation, sorcery and magic. I don’t. 

Edited April 22, 2019 by Boatdrinks

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Did you watch the Bills at all between 2000 and 2016?

 

Serious question: What help did Trump receive from Pooty Poot exactly?   Now that the report is out and you have read it, I would think you could point to a few concrete examples (if there are any).

First off, I stopped watching the Bills around 2003 or so. I was a big fan from 1980 till then. 

 

And as for the help, all I can say is read the first part of Muellers report. It was really a sustained and wide ranging effort. Sorry, I'm not writing everything down. 

 

Do do you think it is ok if Trump receives help again? 

[Doc]

Another day...and still no collusion/conspiracy.  Yay America!

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Would love your answers to these questions: 

 

1) If Trump reaching out and accepting help (which he did not do) is a disqualifying offense, what then do you make of Hillary and Obama's efforts to pay Russian intelligence officers for disinformation to use against Trump in the campaign? 

 

2) The FBI had a duty to inform Trump about what they suspected was happening with his campaign, and they didn't. Why? Isn't that at least a little strange to you?

1)Trump openly asked for Russian help on multiple occasions. That's been known, can't believe you deny that. 

 

2) The FBI was conducting a counter intelligence operation, you don't warn the target in that situation. 

6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

But whatever he “ did”  does not disqualify him for the office. I do not share your opinion that this “ sustained and widespread effort” made any significant difference. Just what difference did it make, then? Did it mobilize voters that supported Trump? Russians didn’t cast any votes. I doubt they changed anyone’s mind. A few memes on Facebook doesn’t change anyone’s mind. Well, perhaps a few feeble ones. Candidates state their positions and voters vote based on that. You seem to think winning an election happens through manipulation, sorcery and magic. I don’t. 

So you are ok with the Dems running against Trump/Putin again then. You are ok with this being a permanent part of our republic? Wow! 

 

And it it was way more that Facebook posts, read the report. Just read the first forty pages. Much is redacted so it's not even that long

[reddogblitz]

7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

First off, I stopped watching the Bills around 2003 or so. I was a big fan from 1980 till then. 

 

And as for the help, all I can say is read the first part of Muellers report. It was really a sustained and wide ranging effort. Sorry, I'm not writing everything down. 

 

Do do you think it is ok if Trump receives help again? 

 

Thanks for responding.  I have not read the report yet.  I plan to.  I don't want you to write everything down, but maybe just one example that you could cover in a couple sentences.  If it's so blatant, it should not be that hard.

 

Also, you say "first part of the Mueller report".  Is there a specific section heading or page numbers to look at coveringTrump's "really a sustained and wide ranging effort"?  I wanna know what you know.  But I don't have time to drop everything and read a 400+ page report.  Help out a brother ...

 

You might want to start watching the Bills again this year.  It's gonna be good!

Edited April 22, 2019 by reddogblitz

[Boatdrinks]

7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

1)Trump openly asked for Russian help on multiple occasions. That's been known, can't believe you deny that. 

 

2) The FBI was conducting a counter intelligence operation, you don't warn the target in that situation. 

So you are ok with the Dems running against Trump/Putin again then. You are ok with this being a permanent part of our republic? Wow! 

 

And it it was way more that Facebook posts, read the report. Just read the first forty pages. Much is redacted so it's not even that long

As per the report, there isn’t enough evidence to support criminal charges. I’m not sure what “ this” you are referring to as being a part of our republic. The current election system is fine, if that’s what you mean. Perhaps you could name ( if it’s not Facebook ads) just what things in this concerted effort you think influenced the election and why. Be specific , too many generalizations on your end. 

Edited April 22, 2019 by Boatdrinks

[Chef Jim]

16 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Do do 

 

Yes...this is exactly what we all think of every post you make.  Don't you think it's at all the least bit telling that you are the laughing stock of this forum and not one person comes do your defense? 

[RochesterRob]

11 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

1)Trump openly asked for Russian help on multiple occasions. That's been known, can't believe you deny that. 

 

2) The FBI was conducting a counter intelligence operation, you don't warn the target in that situation. 

So you are ok with the Dems running against Trump/Putin again then. You are ok with this being a permanent part of our republic? Wow! 

 

And it it was way more that Facebook posts, read the report. Just read the first forty pages. Much is redacted so it's not even that long

  You did not answer the question in regards to Obama and Hillary.