row_33 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Socialism sucks. But it's what every current democracy is in some form. Without question, we don't have 100% rampant capitalism, our basic ideals of a democracy are not matched in the freest countries. The only axiom that seems to hold is that the power of a real ballot is required to keep a market economy rolling. If you have the option of 3 different kinds of fresh oranges at 10 stores within a mile of you this morning, and you live over 1,000 miles from where oranges are grown, it's working okay this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Socialism sucks. But it's what every current democracy is in some form. My Uber driver yesterday was a laid off sales guy who said all his previous bosses were total idiots. He was a baby boomer. Who plans to retire to Southeast Asia (where he has never been) with his 500K in savings and live like a king. Just a curious anecdote. Sales people typically don't get laid off. They get fired because they suck. Yeah it's his bosses fault. And I have a feeling this guy sucks judging by the fact he's retiring to a place he's never been because he's not saved enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Sales people typically don't get laid off. They get fired because they suck. Yeah it's his bosses fault. And I have a feeling this guy sucks judging by the fact he's retiring to a place he's never been because he's not saved enough. Claro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Sales people typically don't get laid off. They get fired because they suck. Yeah it's his bosses fault. And I have a feeling this guy sucks judging by the fact he's retiring to a place he's never been because he's not saved enough. All the salesmen in my life value repping a product with a good reputation in the market as a first priority, at least when they are being honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 All the salesmen in my life value repping a product with a good reputation in the market as a first priority, at least when they are being honest. Any good (and honest as you said) salesperson knows a good product presented to the right prospect is "easy" to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 13, 2017 Author Share Posted June 13, 2017 But it is a system that can be effective in smaller countries with less diversity. Socialism doesn't work in a more diverse country with disparate points of view. So what you're saying is that socialism works in small countries with a homogeneous population built up over millennia of culture, inbreeding and shared values? That's not socialism. It's a societal construct that can't scale beyond the tribe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 And replace it with a more expensive TrumpScare? Got preexisting health issues? Pray to God you get well soon. Obamacare is not be the best that there is, but TrumpScare is scaring a lot of blue state residents. Well, finally the pious chime in. Good to hear you're a church-going religious type and can speak for all of that community. You don't even know what the replacement for Obamanationcare is going to be. The Dems stole money from the American citizenry and sucked it out of the economy and have taken a wrecking ball to the Healthcare and Healthcare Insurance industries. Those are two different animals in case you don't know. Having healthcare "insurance" doesn't and never did equate with having access to healthcare. One of the key tenets of every Republican plan I've seen is the coverage for "pre-existing conditions". So do yourself a favor and exhale, unless you like the sight of your face turning blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Any good (and honest as you said) salesperson knows a good product presented to the right prospect is "easy" to sell. As Robert Ringer explained in "Winning Through Intimidation" it's all about preparation. If you do your job right the product sells itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 As Robert Ringer explained in "Winning Through Intimidation" it's all about preparation. If you do your job right the product sells itself. Unless of course you have a **** product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Unless of course you have a **** product. Product, product, product.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Unless of course you have a **** product. Goes without saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Goes without saying. No, most successful people refuse to face up to the grossly unfair advantages they were handed in life... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 No, most successful people refuse to face up to the grossly unfair advantages they were handed in life... This damn white skin!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 No, most successful people refuse to face up to the grossly unfair advantages they were handed in life... Great parents are a blessing! That's why food stamps, free lunches and welfare are necessary, so that many more kids get the advantage of good health and security from want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Sanders cares. bull ****. Sanders is a politician just like all the rest. He "cares" because that caring lines his pockets with voters and money. Where does his money go? That's what he cares about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 I hope Sanders splits the Dems next election, pulling 30% of the party in the blink of an eye. I'll donate to this effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 I hope Sanders splits the Dems next election, pulling 30% of the party in the blink of an eye. I'll donate to this effort. He already split the party in 2016. One of the reasons (none of which involve Hillary of course) why we now have a President Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 He already split the party in 2016. One of the reasons (none of which involve Hillary of course) why we now have a President Trump. Not really. A higher % of Sanders voters showed up to vote for Hillary than Hillary supporters showed up to vote for Obama in '08. Hillary ran a weak campaign and Trump ran a strong campaign in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 I hope Sanders splits the Dems next election, pulling 30% of the party in the blink of an eye. I'll donate to this effort. Won't happen , Andrew Cuomo will run in 2020 imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 I hope Sanders splits the Dems next election, pulling 30% of the party in the blink of an eye. I'll donate to this effort. Won't happen , Andrew Cuomo will run in 2020 imo I don't see how the two are necessarily exclusive. Sanders trying to split the party and lead an independent, socialist movement wouldn't have much effect on who ran for the Democrat nomination, except to draw the far lefties away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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