John from Riverside Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Said it many times You also said that you were leaning towards keeping Tyrod Taylor Where is the sundial pointed today.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 It takes a special kind of stupid to want to move on from Taylor considering: - there's no immediate upgrade in FA, let alone one that would come here - we're not drafting a blue-chipper in round one - he's on a cheap deal (relatively-speaking for QBs) for the next 3 years - we don't have someone waiting in the wings to take over Only in Buffalo could you spend two years developing a QB who's never started a game until he got here, then leads the team to a top 10 offense with practice squad nobodies beyond WR1 for most of the season, then want to let him go because you think he's not good enough. I mean, if you were in New England, or Indianapolis, or Green Bay and you were used to HoF quarterbacking, then I could see how maybe that might make some sense, even if it would still be wrong. But Buffalo?? Honestly, some of you deserve this dogshizz franchise. ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 You also said that you were leaning towards keeping Tyrod Taylor Where is the sundial pointed today.... I said i softened on the idea of picking up the option. Can understand it dont agree with it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 The dying gasp of the CoT. Farewell, bishops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 People honestly do that? Miserable basturds who complain find it arousing. Why resort to pills when being in a state of aggravation can bring oneself into a state of erotica? Bad food can be an aphrodisiac for those who are perpetually disgruntled. Didn't they teach you that in street sex class 101? Get with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) There are parts of Taylors game i do like. His deep ball (though it has been missing this year) Ability to use legs Doesnt turn ball over But the Cons are much more Inability to get ball out on time consistently Anticipation throws Missing open throwing windows and receivers Lack of pocket presence Not clutch Doesnt read defense well Edited January 12, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 There are parts of Taylors game i do like. His deep ball (though it has been missing this year) Ability to use legs Doesnt turn ball over But the Cons are much more Inability to get ball out on time consistently Anticipation throws Missing open throwing windows and receivers Lack of pocket presence Not clutch Doesnt read defense well MAJBobby scouting report Pros: committed to the cause will go down with the ship treats his seeing-eye dog really well Cons: doesn't know anything about football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 MAJBobby scouting report Pros: committed to the cause will go down with the ship treats his seeing-eye dog really well Cons: doesn't know anything about football Original and got a smirk from me well done. Wrong but was funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 The biggest Myth of the supporters. No one to throw too. LolBiggest myth of haters. Someone to throw to. MAJBobby scouting report Pros: committed to the cause will go down with the ship treats his seeing-eye dog really well Cons: doesn't know anything about football ROFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Biggest myth of haters. Someone to throw to. ROFL Really hmm put on any all 22 before TT remembered he had a TE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 do you have any of those answers? Because from the average fan it looks like he can't or doesn't see open receivers quite a bit. This has been commented on at all levels, by amateurs and "pros" alike. I like TT, i'd like to know if this is something that can develop or if they need to move on. At the end of the day I just want the best 11 on each phase to get out there and !@#$ people up! It just means tyrod doesnt know his progressions at that point. If someone is running open and your qb takes off... regardless of the blocking scheme or route tree thats what happens. I dont get how us not knowing all the intricacies gives a pro qb a pass for not seeing the open player... whether he is the top read or the low read. If you are telling me that a quarterback who takes off and not pulls the trigger on read 3 or 4 is justifiable. I am certainly lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 It just means tyrod doesnt know his progressions at that point. If someone is running open and your qb takes off... regardless of the blocking scheme or route tree thats what happens. I dont get how us not knowing all the intricacies gives a pro qb a pass for not seeing the open player... whether he is the top read or the low read. If you are telling me that a quarterback who takes off and not pulls the trigger on read 3 or 4 is justifiable. I am certainly lost Its because they have to diminish the visual evidence that is in their face that he is not really that good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Said it many times Yup, I think the tank is kinda empty, shooting blanks at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 So not one answer I see. Let me ask this. You just picked up Taylors option. Then you good if Bills take a QB at 10 or trade up for one? Yeah I supposed this is the Watson thread. I would perfectly okay with the picking up TT AND trying to get better at the position. It makes no logical sense to me to get worse at the position in the hopes of getting better. At 10 drafting a QB and picking up Tyrod would put the Bills at about the 20th most cap space in the league commited to QBs. Are you saying you'd rather have Taylor than Wentz as your QB? Yes I absolutely would. Wentz had a few good games to start the year and then people stopped paying attention to him. Wentz threw for less Tds, had less total tds, a worse QB rating, a worse QBR, more ints. Here is a fun stat for you. After his first 3 games (so the final 13) he threw for 11 tds and 14 ints. People have got to stop trumpeting Wentz if they want to be taken seriously when discussing TT. The Eagles went 4-9 over that span so please people stop using Wentz. All it does is show you watched sportscenter in September. Brandon Tate's alone in the end zone disagreeing. Brandon Tate is really the name you want to use. Doesn't that show just how sorry the receiving corps was though. I will give you credit though. Texas Roadhouse is amazing. Best ribs I have ever had! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 The holds the ball metric is the biggest piece of crap. Maybe bigger than drops. It counts the ten times a game when he is running around with the ball looking to throw for five-six seconds because the rush was on him immediately and he escaped, versus 29 other starters that just throw it away immediately and get rewarded on the holds the ball metric. Agreed! A better statistic would measure how long a QB has in the pocket before he needs to move his feet to avoid the rush. (If this were actually measurable). Obviously, there were times when Tyrod was unforgivably off target. But there were also games when he was under siege and didn't have a prayer. He held onto the ball for a long time when he was under attack because he was scrambling for his life, and trying to turn a line breakdown into a positive gain. Our offensive line was curiously schizophrenic. They did well on run plays because they were usually in the right place at the right time. Roman's designs didn't require them to be road graders. On the other hand, they didn't pass block well. There's nothing tricky in pass protection, no finesse. You just have to out-muscle, out-position, out-footwork your man. Too often, our offensive linemen lost these mano a mano battles when attempting to protect Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Byrd Man Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) Ha ha OK. Hmm so beacuse of his crossers being high lowed (NE exposed that in Chans Offense) Buzzing under routes eary changed a read (made Fitz go deep) Yeah exposing a designed offense to hide QB flaws has NOTHING to do with QB success. And I am the one that needs to do homework. Ok You want to call me out fine. Now go fine one post of my many on the QB position that i ever mentioned 5000 yards. Sure and alot easier to get to that win column when you have a QB that can run a balanced offense and be able to help his team in OAK instead of hanging them out with 3 and out after 3 and out. But thats unconventional QB play Wasn't claiming you used 5000 yards just trying just trying to point out that you and the rest of the Tyrod haters ignore the success of the offense and focus on passing game statistics. Interestingly you did mention the second half of the Raiders game. You are right he did struggle in the second half but the offense scored more than enough points in the first half and would have won if the defense didn't fold. Oh by the way Tyrods second half wasn't any worse then Carr's first half so I guess Derrick sucks as well right? Bottom line is it was the defense that was responsible for the team not making the playoffs. Edited January 12, 2017 by Original Byrd Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 It's weird that the same people chime in every time Tyrod is mentioned. They chime in to say "I told you so" when something negative is written and "he's wrong" when something positive is written. The reality is that Tyrod moved the offense and put up a lot of points. He did it with a poor receiving core. His game has holes and he misses throws. He is a middle of the league QB. It is foolish to use old school stats (like passing yards) as a measure of his impact. He doesn't play a traditional style of QB. He misses some throws that most QBs make but he makes some plays that no other QB makes. Was the Bills offense good in 2016? The advanced statistics would say that they were. They weren't there DESPITE the QB play. Coaching, QB, OL, play calling, running game, etc... ALL played a role. You cant just selectively choose the reasons that the results happened while selectively excusing what doesn't fit the narrative. All of these things factored into the result. If you believe that replacing him with someone else would improve those results that's a different argument. I for one, do not see the Bills as a top 7 scoring team with someone (other than Romo) under center in 2017. +37. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) Wasn't claiming you used 5000 yards just trying just trying to point out that you and the rest of the Tyrod haters ignore the success of the offense and focus on passing game statistics. Interestingly you did mention the second half of the Raiders game. You are right he did struggle in the second half but the offense scored more than enough points in the first half and would have won if the defense didn't fold. Oh by the way Tyrods second half wasn't any worse then Carr's first half so I guess Derrick sucks as well right? Bottom line is it was the defense that was responsible for the team not making the playoffs.And again i am looking at QB play no matter what the offense does around him. Is it really so hard to detach and look at a QB for some people. So what is your long term solution at QB? Edited January 12, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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