Keep Rex, Fire Whaley....... by a 36 Year Bills Fan

[coldstorage5]

Hello, I feel I need to share my back ground. I come on to this site 365 days a year. I rarely write. Im a 36 year Bills fan from southern NY. Ive lived in NYC for 25 years and now I live in westchester county for the last 21. In addition Ive been coaching HS football for 20 years, and Ive been a head coach for the last 5.

With all this talk of people getting fired, if you are going to fire and blame someone lets look at the facts.

 

This is what we all know.

Rex is 8-8 + 7-7= 15 and 15.

The Bills have a bottom 1/3 QB in Tyrod. In the 32 starters he is likely # 20-22.

They had a below average Rec group where their best player ( Watkins has been gimp for 2 seasons), What makes this bad is that the rest of the core is below average and when Watkins went down, the Core is the worst in Pro Football. How they can such an terrible group bobbles me. They knew Watkins has not right and they didn't sign other guys and let 7/11 ( Hogan) go. I get not paying Hogan but if your #1 is hurt you gotta add depth.

 

O line is Above. ( Rex's pick up of the incognito for 3 years for 15 million was great), Yes that was Rex's call. Rex pushed for it

The front 7 is solid and in the top 8-10 in the NFL.

The secondary is below average.

Specialists are above average and a strength.

 

You add this up and the job Rex and his staff has done warrants more time. The roster is not a championship roster. its a 7-9 to 9-7 roster, Rex has done his job. The players have not quit on him and play hard for him.

Now you look at the great teams, the Packers, the Steelers the Patriots they all have the same thing in common. They draft well.

 

Whaley has done a poor job.

Ej with a 16 pick. ( yes he is responsible for that pick)

Watkins was a reach and to use 2 #1's for him has terrible. Beckham and Evans were taken ahead of him and are much much better. Whaley wante to make a slash and gamble, They did and lost, Spending those 2 pickas has been a disaster. They could have waited and got Beckham or Evans ( who even when healthy are better than Watkins) But just to make a splash is so inept. The good teams never do that.

This past years draft... Well to draft a guy that was injured. Terrible.

The Bills only have like 20 something players on the team that was drafted. the Packers are in the 40's.

 

Blowing the last 4 #1 draft picks has been a huge problem that I dont see the press or fans really taliking about. All in the top 16.

That Ej pick was fire-able alone.

Ej= Fail

Watkins, im sorry, 2 #1's = fail.

Lawson= fail.

The Bills need to stick with Rex. Redo Tyrods contract or cut him, and if they fire anyone it should be Whaley. The Bills cant become the Browns Hiring and firing every year or other year.

If anyone deserves to get Fired Its Whaley

Edited December 22, 2016 by coldstorage5

[fansince88]

I was going to but I cant. It just bobbles my mind!

[PolishDave]

 

That Ej pick was fire-able alone.

Ej= Fail

 

 

You make some fair points.

 

Wish you would drop the EJ thing though. People hold that against Whaley like it was the ultimate mistake. It wasn't. And I don't like EJ as a QB at all.

 

Here is why it wasn't a mistake - Nix (because of his debacle with the Fitz situation) put the Bills in a position where they HAD to draft a quarterback. Fans were screaming to draft a QB. The entire QB situation was a giant cluster flop. And it was not Whaley's fault. He walked into that situation here.

 

So he made a decision about what QB he thought was the best in that draft and then went after that QB. Ok. EJ didn't pan out. Neither did any of the other QB's in that draft. So it didn't matter which QB he would have drafted. They were all misses that year.

 

They gave EJ enough time to see he wasn't going to cut it. So he is riding the pine in favor of a more talented guy now.

 

Whaley handled that QB situation with EJ as good as anyone could have expected.

 

Can we just quit whining about that draft for Christ's sake?

[K-Apps]

If you fired Whaley, new GM isn't keeping Rex around. Only reason Rex lasted as long as he did with the Jets was that Idzik fiasco Woody Johnson mandated that new GM after Tannebaum had to keep Rex. If you want that situation done again in Buffalo be my guest.

[gr8billsfan]

I posted awhile ago now, Fire the Front Office. End of Story. That includes Russ Brandon, Doug Whaley, and Rex Ryan. Boom. Next?

[Bangarang]

So you fire Whaley and hire a GM who won't be able to pick his own HC? Sounds like something the Bills would do.

[BillsFan130]

I agree with you for the most part. I would agree with your main point that Whaley is more of the problem than Rex

[Dragonborn10]

OP what about the defense?????

[flutie5]

Keep Whaley dump Rex

[Hapless Bills Fan]

I posted awhile ago now, Fire the Front Office. End of Story. That includes Russ Brandon, Doug Whaley, and Rex Ryan. Boom. Next?

 

I would be OK with this

[BobbyC81]

If you fired Whaley, new GM isn't keeping Rex around. Only reason Rex lasted as long as he did with the Jets was that Idzik fiasco Woody Johnson mandated that new GM after Tannebaum had to keep Rex. If you want that situation done again in Buffalo be my guest.

The Bills organizational structure has both the GM and head coach reporting to the owners. The GM gets the players while the head coach coaches with those players.

 

If this structure is maintained, firing the GM has no connection to the coach. It is likely that Whaley had input in the hire of Rex but the decision was ultimately with the Pegulas. It would be the same if Rex were fired and a new head coach chosen.

 

Now, if Whaley were fired, I don't know how receptive any prospective GM hires would be to this structure.

[Manther]

Coldstorage5, the original poster, seems to be suggesting keep Rex because he is .500 and he has assemble a good roster. And, to fire Whaley.

 

Keep the HC and Fire the GM because the roster is good. Hmmmm.

 

Not tackling the .500 thing other than our schedule has been very Bills friendly the last 30 games. With our schedule the last two years we should have been 10-6 twice and that includes playing the Pats 4 times. We have played the 3 worst divisions these two year....squandered opportunities.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

 

You make some fair points.

 

Wish you would drop the EJ thing though. People hold that against Whaley like it was the ultimate mistake. It wasn't. And I don't like EJ as a QB at all.

 

Here is why it wasn't a mistake - Nix (because of his debacle with the Fitz situation) put the Bills in a position where they HAD to draft a quarterback. Fans were screaming to draft a QB. The entire QB situation was a giant cluster flop. And it was not Whaley's fault. He walked into that situation here.

 

So he made a decision about what QB he thought was the best in that draft and then went after that QB. Ok. EJ didn't pan out. Neither did any of the other QB's in that draft. So it didn't matter which QB he would have drafted. They were all misses that year.

 

They gave EJ enough time to see he wasn't going to cut it. So he is riding the pine in favor of a more talented guy now.

 

Whaley handled that QB situation with EJ as good as anyone could have expected.

 

Can we just quit whining about that draft for Christ's sake?

Also EVERYONE forget that years first round pick =EJ+Shady a bonefide stud. That a decent haul

So you fire Whaley and hire a GM who won't be able to pick his own HC? Sounds like something the Bills would do.

And sounds like a total recipient for disaster

[Augie]

Hey, 36 is a nice starting point, hang in there. Not very concise, and slow to get to the point on such a long post. Also ignores a few important points, some are noted above. This is just not very well balanced in my opinion. I don't like Rex, but I am for another year.

[BringBackOrton]

 

You make some fair points.

 

Wish you would drop the EJ thing though. People hold that against Whaley like it was the ultimate mistake. It wasn't. And I don't like EJ as a QB at all.

 

Here is why it wasn't a mistake - Nix (because of his debacle with the Fitz situation) put the Bills in a position where they HAD to draft a quarterback. Fans were screaming to draft a QB. The entire QB situation was a giant cluster flop. And it was not Whaley's fault. He walked into that situation here.

 

So he made a decision about what QB he thought was the best in that draft and then went after that QB. Ok. EJ didn't pan out. Neither did any of the other QB's in that draft. So it didn't matter which QB he would have drafted. They were all misses that year.

 

They gave EJ enough time to see he wasn't going to cut it. So he is riding the pine in favor of a more talented guy now.

 

Whaley handled that QB situation with EJ as good as anyone could have expected.

 

Can we just quit whining about that draft for Christ's sake?

Whaley cut Fitz. No.

[hondo in seattle]

The roster is not a championship roster. its a 7-9 to 9-7 roster, Rex has done his job.

 

Hmmm... You say Whaley has done a poor job but you also say this is a 7-9 to 9-7 roster.

 

So, in effect, both Whaley and Rex have been mediocre.

 

Whaley has built a .500 team and so far Rex has led them to a .500 record.

 

Therein lies the problem. Neither is bad enough to fire. Neither is good enough to build a playoff team.

 

I say give them both another year. If we miss the playoffs again, hire a new GM who has the authority to hire a new HC.

[chris heff]

Have you seen how Rex's defense has been gashed?

[transient]

Have you seen how Rex's defense has been gashed?

Are you making fun of someone who quite possibly, if I read that correctly, only has one eye?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Can you think of a situation where the GM was fired, the HC kept, and it worked out well?

[transient]

Can you think of a situation where the GM was fired, the HC kept, and it worked out well?

Pittsburgh with Donahoe and Cowher.