What a Tuel Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 No. It's black. You were the one that posted "black majority areas" and not "poor majority areas" They closed 38 offices across the state. I pointed out that less than half were in black majority areas in response to a post that said they explicitly just closed dmv offices in black majority areas. They didn't. If anything there is a correlation with closing down public services for poor people first. We will just ignore the fact that in 24 of those offices, white majority areas won't be able to get their licenses or whatever to vote too right? Is that white voter suppression? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 so any chance kap did this cause he knew he was gonna get cut? I suppose that's possible, but it's a big cut off your nose to spite your face scenario and not well thought out if he did. He's a bit of a toxic drama for other teams right now and he had to have known that would be the result. I think he's smarter than that and so I don't think he did this for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 They closed 38 offices across the state. I pointed out that less than half were in black majority areas in response to a post that said they explicitly just closed dmv offices in black majority areas. They didn't. If anything there is a correlation with closing down public services for poor people first. We will just ignore the fact that in 24 of those offices, white majority areas won't be able to get their licenses or whatever to vote too right? Is that white voter suppression? See mannc above. And regardless, you posted stats that showed it was partial against blacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Those stats hurt your own argument. 25% of the population of Alabama is black, and yet they closed 38% of the DMVs in black majority areas. I just looked this up. After the cuts, it appears that Alabama still has 75 DMV offices for driver's licenses. There only 4.9 million people in the entire state. Maybe they cut the ones where no one was coming in for driver's licenses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 See mannc above. And regardless, you posted stats that showed it was partial against blacks. This goes back to the police shooting statistics. Blacks face higher rates of poverty. Poverty leads to more crime, more crime leads to more contact with police. Same goes for this. Blacks face higher rates of poverty, the state aims to close down services, they tend to target lower income areas first when doing this. The proportional differences are in poverty levels, not targeted efforts by the government or police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 I just looked this up. After the cuts, it appears that Alabama still has 75 DMV offices for driver's licenses. There only 4.9 million people in the entire state. Maybe they cut the ones where no one was coming in for driver's licenses? As mannc stated above, of the ten counties with the highest black population, only two even have DMVs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 I just looked this up. After the cuts, it appears that Alabama still has 75 DMV offices for driver's licenses. There only 4.9 million people in the entire state. Maybe they cut the ones where no one was coming in for driver's licenses? Not to mention you can renew your license online. NY DMV has finally gotten with the times and embraced the internet somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 This goes back to the police shooting statistics. Blacks face higher rates of poverty. Poverty leads to more crime, more crime leads to more contact with police. Same goes for this. Blacks face higher rates of poverty, the state aims to close down services, they tend to target lower income areas first when doing this. The proportional differences are in poverty levels, not targeted efforts by the government or police. Then, as a service to your readers, please post links and stats referencing the poor and not blacks. So posters do not think you are referencing the people you are posting about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Was the song "Feelings" by Barry Manilow playing in the background when you wrote this post? Thought that was Morris Albert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 There only 4.9 million people in the entire state. Maybe they cut the ones where no one was coming in for driver's licenses? Like 8 of the 10 counties with the highest black population. But hey...Alabama has such a long and admirable history of supporting the voting rights of its black residents that I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 I'll restate this just to remind folks: don't get caught in the trap of right vs left. It's a distraction designed to keep us fighting with each other rather than working together to actively solve problems or even have fruitful conversations about hot-button issues like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 They closed 38 offices across the state. I pointed out that less than half were in black majority areas in response to a post that said they explicitly just closed dmv offices in black majority areas. They didn't. If anything there is a correlation with closing down public services for poor people first. We will just ignore the fact that in 24 of those offices, white majority areas won't be able to get their licenses or whatever to vote too right? Is that white voter suppression? No, it's voter suppression. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 Like 8 of the 10 counties with the highest black population. But hey...Alabama has such a long and admirable history of supporting the voting rights of its black residents that I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt. George Wallace is upset with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 (edited) breaking news Alabama and Mississippi are racist. Edited August 30, 2016 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 As mannc stated above, of the ten counties with the highest black population, only two even have DMVs. Brooklyn, with 2.6 million people (50% are African American or Caribbean ), has only 2 DMV's. Why do you think that is? Because NYS is run by racists, or not that many people need to use the DMV as more suburban areas do (Monroe county has a ton of DMVs)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 (edited) As mannc stated above, of the ten counties with the highest black population, only two even have DMVs. I am going to call BS on that. Just looked up a few and clear as day DMV offices in several primarily black counties. http://dps.alabama.gov/home/DriverLicensePages/wfDLOffices.aspx http://www.al.com/census/ Edited August 30, 2016 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 I am going to call BS on that. Just looked up a few and clear as day DMV offices in several primarily black counties. http://dps.alabama.gov/home/DriverLicensePages/wfDLOffices.aspx Sorry, but your link does not refute what I posted. I acknowledge that there are DMV offices in a couple of black majority counties. The issue is the other eight that don't have offices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 No, it's voter suppression. Period. No, it's not. Period! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 (edited) Brooklyn, with 2.6 million people (50% are African American or Caribbean ), has only 2 DMV's. Why do you think that is? Because NYS is run by racists, or not that many people need to use the DMV as more suburban areas do (Monroe county has a ton of DMVs)? I'm not sure why Brooklyn only has only two DMV offices (assuming that's true), but at least they have some. Are you unable to see the difference between Kings County (Brooklyn), which has widespread, cheap and reliable public transportation, and counties in rural Alabama that have no DMV offices and virtually no public transportation? Edited August 30, 2016 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 (edited) Sorry, but your link does not refute what I posted. I acknowledge that there are DMV offices in a couple of black majority counties. The issue is the other eight that don't have offices. Check out the 2nd link I edited in, and sort the census data by race. There is a DMV office in every single black majority county. Some are only open 1 day a month, but this is also the case in white majority counties. Edited August 30, 2016 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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