Shaq, Reggie and Tyrod - So Stoked

[ndirish1978]

weird how the Tyrod "racists" love Cam and Russell Wilson.

 

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

 

I'm sure you think it's pretty slick to lump everyone on this board into a homogenized group, give that group a stance and then defend that stance. This is called a straw man argument. You make them all the time. It is a poor rhetorical tool.

 

OP is correct as to some people of course, odds are there are people on this board who have preconceived biases against Tyrod because of his race, denying that outright is naive at best. OP did not say that EVERYONE who doesn't like him is a racist, just that he felt race may play a part in the lack of excitement about Tyrod here. I like Tyrod, I think he is our long-term answer at QB. I also think the Bills are correct to hold of paying him this year and make him prove that he's the long-term answer.

 

Marlin - the truth is people are just kind of tired of getting kicked in the nads by this franchise year after year hope and optimism will come slowly if at all. Everything is fixed by winning.

[Maury Ballstein]

Cool. Not a fan of the "racist" angle.

 

I'm sick and tired of all the race nonsense.

[ndirish1978]

Cool. Not a fan of the "racist" angle.

 

I'm sick and tired of all the race nonsense.

 

Well then, I guess racism is over, thank you for ending it for everyone!

[Maury Ballstein]

Well then, I guess racism is over, thank you for ending it for everyone!

You're welcome. I do my part. It doesn't exist in my household.

 

It also doesn't exist for many of my friends who make triple digits as African Americans who don't cry about racism every two minutes.

 

Matters haven't improved by 28,000 percent over the last few decades. Yawn.

Edited July 6, 2016 by Ryan L Billz

[Billschinatown]

 

Well then, I guess racism is over, thank you for ending it for everyone!

[Rocky Landing]

Weird and pointless turn this thread took...

[3rdand12]

any real hope of S Lawson playing this year ?

I have written him off and am okay with that by now.

 

Ragland is my boy and i will be studying him closely.

I noticed he has made little noise in the media, which i like.

Head downeyes up, and get to work

[PromoTheRobot]

any real hope of S Lawson playing this year ?

I have written him off and am okay with that by now.

 

Ragland is my boy and i will be studying him closely.

I noticed he has made little noise in the media, which i like.

Head downeyes up, and get to work

He's only expected out 4-5 games though he will need time to ramp up.

[3rdand12]

He's only expected out 4-5 games though he will need time to ramp up.

Do you expect any chatter about him by game two.

I know Watkins has gone back and forth about his availability.

[BuffaloMatt]

Tyrod is black? Now I understand the thread.

[3rdand12]

Tyrod is black? Now I understand the thread.

WHAT !! When did this happen ???

[Augie]

WHAT !! When did this happen ???

The thread just started June 26. Tyrod has been black much longer, I think.

 

What's the point? I skipped ahead.

[3rdand12]

The thread just started June 26. Tyrod has been black much longer, I think.

 

What's the point? I skipped ahead.

There is no point.

lets move on.

[Augie]

There is no point.

lets move on.

OK (I'm the agreeable type). I'll be back in a couple pages.

[Maury Ballstein]

There is no point.

lets move on.

Agree

[3rdand12]

and we are moving

[BADOLBILZ]

any real hope of S Lawson playing this year ?

I have written him off and am okay with that by now.

 

Ragland is my boy and i will be studying him closely.

I noticed he has made little noise in the media, which i like.

Head downeyes up, and get to work

 

 

There is hope for Lawson but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he didn't do anything this season.

 

The hope gives reason for apologists to shout down takes like that but stories like OBJ coming in as a rookie and dominating after missing the early part of the season are rare.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

No one said anything about racism holding Tyrod Taylor back, and it is funny how people can live in denial of the fact that stereotypes do persist. I think if a bigger, white pocket-passer who didn't run put up Tyrod's 20 TD and 6 INT season as a first year starter there MAY be greater enthusiasm. I can't see how any thinking person cannot at least allow for that possibility. Those that can't probably thought Dennis Shaw as was good as James Harris.

 

And Yolo is right - Tyrod is perceived as more of a "running" QB than he is. It is not knowable whether "black" has any role in that false perception. It could, but it really does not matter. Point I was making is the young man is a baller - leader, worker, team guy, smart and tough. A grinder who overcame odds. A Buffalo guy.

 

He has electric skills that are easy to see. So did Vick. What gives Tyrod the potential for greatness in my view is everything else. And the positive character traits that define the man are talked about in the local media, but not so much nationally. Smart, tough, leader, tireless worker - a Buffalo kind of guy. We sign him long term, he wins our first Super Bowl. And I bet two seats on the 50 he uses the middle just fine this year.

Vick ? Vick had 1 season Like Tyrod.. So what.

 

Reality is the guy had to win games, 2 by my count, by doing ridiculous this with his legs. If that has to happen often.... He's taking hits. One of the hits he took last year, a horse collar, put him out for 2 games. didnt use the middle of the fuel and had one of the slower releases in the NFL.

 

If he continues to develop he could be incredible, if he has an arrested development he could regress to a Vick or worse... try to win games running, which will cost him injuries

[MarlinTheMagician]

Interesting bunch of comments. I am surprised how many are defensive about the possible role of race in perceptions. As the OP, my main point was that Tyrod's numbers seem to deserve a little more excitement than they have garnered, and that the depth of character of the man (to the extent it can be perceived from the outside), seems to suggest that he can do more. That the trend could be his friend.

 

I was speculating and interested in views on what might be the root of the lack of excitement - I am a Buffalonian, but live in New York City now. The perception here seems to be "Buffalo is still looking for a quarterback." At least for now, we definitely are not! So why that perception? Especially when an INT machine like Blake Bortles is THE answer for Jax - for example.

 

I can identify a few possible factors: lack of ideal size (but not Russell Wilson small), stereotyping of a black quarterback that has sick running ability (Vick disappointed many/fear of injury abounds), relative lack of success down the middle last year (which doesn't worry me too much for reasons beyond this post), and the absence of a proven history of rallying the team to victory (but Tennessee was amazing). I said expressly that it is "not knowable" if race had any role at all - not saying it did. Could just be Tyrod does not get the respect I feel he deserves because he is not 6'5" and didn't stick enough darts on Clay over the middle. If you agree TT might deserve a little more respect, it is a certainty that no one can say for sure why he doesn't get it - especially nationally.

 

My perception is that when the national media talk about top young quarterbacks you hear about Derek Carr, Luck, Bortles, Wilson, Mariotta, Winston and others - but almost never a mention of our guy. That makes me like him more! How Buffalo-esque! I think the media is wrong. I am hugely optimistic for Tyrod based not only on what he did, but how he did it. He was the man in charge. He has presence. He is a straight baller. You often hear about QB's and that intangible "IT" factor. I think Tyrod has "IT" in spades - easy demeanor, hard worker, fire burns bright inside, respected by teammates, instinctive (I think Fitz has "IT" too, he just has poor skills and poor judgment at the worst times). I believe Tyrod has "IT" in a way the rocket-armed, ideal-sized Drew Bledsoe never did (to pick an example of a very good quarterback and a good guy who I do not think had the intangibles needed to be a GREAT quarterback).

 

Some people lost the point of the post - optimism and enthusiasm about "maybe we have a real QB FINALLY" and the seeds of a good defense too. Some seized only on race. Just shows what a flashpoint it can be, as it was never the core point I was making, and not even a firm point at all - just a mentioning of the possibility.

 

As for the "sick of getting kicked in the nads" point, that made me laugh out loud. That is PART of it (a part I could do without, granted). No Goal, wide right, Music City, 4 straight losses in the show, 16 years and not a freaking wild card. Our nads are dented on a legendary scale. Yet we hang in there - makes us so cool ;-) And that much sweeter when TT brings us the Lombardi. Peace.

 

Go Bills.

[MarlinTheMagician]

And having said all that - I fully realize Tyrod needs to take a big step this year. I think he can, but recognize he may not. I am rooting for him beyond my usual "I love all Bills" -- if he can do the job, I think he will be awfully easy to root for.

[3rdand12]

And having said all that - I fully realize Tyrod needs to take a big step this year. I think he can, but recognize he may not. I am rooting for him beyond my usual "I love all Bills" -- if he can do the job, I think he will be awfully easy to root for.

I have already found him easy to root for. Kid has moxy

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Interesting bunch of comments. I am surprised how many are defensive about the possible role of race in perceptions. As the OP, my main point was that Tyrod's numbers seem to deserve a little more excitement than they have garnered, and that the depth of character of the man (to the extent it can be perceived from the outside), seems to suggest that he can do more. That the trend could be his friend.

 

I was speculating and interested in views on what might be the root of the lack of excitement - I am a Buffalonian, but live in New York City now. The perception here seems to be "Buffalo is still looking for a quarterback." At least for now, we definitely are not! So why that perception? Especially when an INT machine like Blake Bortles is THE answer for Jax - for example.

 

I can identify a few possible factors: lack of ideal size (but not Russell Wilson small), stereotyping of a black quarterback that has sick running ability (Vick disappointed many/fear of injury abounds), relative lack of success down the middle last year (which doesn't worry me too much for reasons beyond this post), and the absence of a proven history of rallying the team to victory (but Tennessee was amazing). I said expressly that it is "not knowable" if race had any role at all - not saying it did. Could just be Tyrod does not get the respect I feel he deserves because he is not 6'5" and didn't stick enough darts on Clay over the middle. If you agree TT might deserve a little more respect, it is a certainty that no one can say for sure why he doesn't get it - especially nationally.

 

My perception is that when the national media talk about top young quarterbacks you hear about Derek Carr, Luck, Bortles, Wilson, Mariotta, Winston and others - but almost never a mention of our guy. That makes me like him more! How Buffalo-esque! I think the media is wrong. I am hugely optimistic for Tyrod based not only on what he did, but how he did it. He was the man in charge. He has presence. He is a straight baller. You often hear about QB's and that intangible "IT" factor. I think Tyrod has "IT" in spades - easy demeanor, hard worker, fire burns bright inside, respected by teammates, instinctive (I think Fitz has "IT" too, he just has poor skills and poor judgment at the worst times). I believe Tyrod has "IT" in a way the rocket-armed, ideal-sized Drew Bledsoe never did (to pick an example of a very good quarterback and a good guy who I do not think had the intangibles needed to be a GREAT quarterback).

 

Some people lost the point of the post - optimism and enthusiasm about "maybe we have a real QB FINALLY" and the seeds of a good defense too. Some seized only on race. Just shows what a flashpoint it can be, as it was never the core point I was making, and not even a firm point at all - just a mentioning of the possibility.

 

As for the "sick of getting kicked in the nads" point, that made me laugh out loud. That is PART of it (a part I could do without, granted). No Goal, wide right, Music City, 4 straight losses in the show, 16 years and not a freaking wild card. Our nads are dented on a legendary scale. Yet we hang in there - makes us so cool ;-) And that much sweeter when TT brings us the Lombardi. Peace.

 

Go Bills.

To illustrate that you're overemphasizing the race component, if EJ had the year Tyrod just had as a rookie, EVERYONE would have been ecstatic. Imo

 

But Tyrod is a little guy for a QB, he is mid career and had significant limitations in his game for a 5th year QB. He got hurt scrambling. Look at that in any color you want.

[Big C]

To illustrate that you're overemphasizing the race component, if EJ had the year Tyrod just had as a rookie, EVERYONE would have been ecstatic. Imo

 

But Tyrod is a little guy for a QB, he is mid career and had significant limitations in his game for a 5th year QB. He got hurt scrambling. Look at that in any color you want.

 

He got hurt on a horse collar tackle and finished the game. I think the staff was being extra cautious with Tyrod, or they were really trying to give EJ a chance to take the gig. At first it looked like Tyrod was gonna suit up for week 6, and then they decided to make him inactive, and then I remember Tyrod saying he was feeling good going into week 7, and we read a couple reports saying he would be back, but the staff said they weren't comfortable with it. I don't pretend to know how MCL sprains are handled, but I remember feeling like the staff was taking the injury as an opportunity to give EJ one more shot.

[yungmack]

weird how the Tyrod "racists" love Cam and Russell Wilson.

Why do you avow that they are the same people?

No one said anything about racism holding Tyrod Taylor back, and it is funny how people can live in denial of the fact that stereotypes do persist. I think if a bigger, white pocket-passer who didn't run put up Tyrod's 20 TD and 6 INT season as a first year starter there MAY be greater enthusiasm. I can't see how any thinking person cannot at least allow for that possibility. Those that can't probably thought Dennis Shaw as was good as James Harris.

And Yolo is right - Tyrod is perceived as more of a "running" QB than he is. It is not knowable whether "black" has any role in that false perception. It could, but it really does not matter. Point I was making is the young man is a baller - leader, worker, team guy, smart and tough. A grinder who overcame odds. A Buffalo guy.

 

He has electric skills that are easy to see. So did Vick. What gives Tyrod the potential for greatness in my view is everything else. And the positive character traits that define the man are talked about in the local media, but not so much nationally. Smart, tough, leader, tireless worker - a Buffalo kind of guy. We sign him long term, he wins our first Super Bowl. And I bet two seats on the 50 he uses the middle just fine this year.

Great post.

It's 16 years... SIXTEEN YEARS.

 

As much abuse as Rex gets around here, I for one love him for bringing Tyrod to town. Can't wait to watch him this year, IMO all hope for the immediate future is riding on his shoulders. As for the rookie draft picks on D, I won't get excited about them until they show something on the field.

Rex brought TT to town? Jeez, I thought Whaley did, based on the recommendation of his Pro Scouting department.

Tyrod is a one, maximum two, trick pony.... I get that he doesn't turn the ball over much, and can take yardage with his feet if possible... Besides that, he's pretty predictable... Our Div. rivals now have a years worth of footage on him, and his tendencies as a starter. -They'll be waiting... I doubt he gets away with the same behavior this season... Oh "his EYES are in the right place"... Terrific. -So are the opposing safety's... Think he'll leave the pocket without a spy on his tail? -Again, doubtful... I'm stoked too, just not about TT... He's clearly earned the crown. -Let's see how long he hangs onto it.

Will this September be when you watch your first Bills game with Tyrod?

[C.Biscuit97]

While I'm well aware of the pathetic history of race relations in Buffalo, I really don't see this being the case at all here.

 

Tyrod had an Alex Smith type year. Solid but there are plenty of fans who don't think Smith is very good. If anything, I think fans gave passes to Tyrod that they didn't give to Losman or Edwards. They praised him for the Titans win when he was awful 95% of the game. Our gameplan was essentially to limit the amount of times Tyrod threw the ball. That has nothing to do with race.

 

I've always stated that If Tyrod looked like EJ, I'd like him more. Sorry, I don't like smaller Qbs who use their legs a lot. More often than not, they don't even amount to anything.

 

Hopefully, Tyrod is the exception. And while there are still the losers who care about race, most people just want to see a legit NFL starting qb. And we need more than 14 games to judge.