JW sez Bills going D with first pick

[GG]

Let me ask again.

 

Did we have the strong man CB play for cheap in 2015 because we ran Rex Ryan's defense or because we had two top 10 CB's playing on rookie deals?

 

Defense would be less of a priority than it is now. Every team loses players every year. You trying to hammer home that the salary cap exists is embarrassing.

 

Someone will also need to explain to me how having two above average 4-3 LB's in Bradham and Brown is equal to having terrible 3-4 LB's who are basically camp bodies.

Again, the argument is that the defense wouldn't have been a priority if Schwartz was still here, and I think that I clearly outlined that bills would still be looking at a defensive player as their first pick. There is very little chance that Mario would have been on this roster.

[K-9]

Let me ask again.

 

Did we have the strong man CB play for cheap in 2015 because we ran Rex Ryan's defense or because we had two top 10 CB's playing on rookie deals?

 

Defense would be less of a priority than it is now. Every team loses players every year. You trying to hammer home that the salary cap exists is embarrassing.

 

Someone will also need to explain to me how having two above average 4-3 LB's in Bradham and Brown is equal to having terrible 3-4 LB's who are basically camp bodies.

Bradham and Brown are "above average?" First I've heard that by anyone.

 

I agree Bradham made strides under Schwartz and Brown had some good moments as a rookie in that scheme.

 

But both were routinely abused when trying to defend shallow crossing routes. Cue up the Thursday nighter at Miami that year for a good example.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[3rdand12]

Correct, tho it's coincidental that this works out in Rex's favor. But pass rush specialists get overpaid. Olivier Vernon just got major coin and he's nothing special. Whereas a scheme that can generate pressure without being overly reliant on individual pass rushers is much more cap-friendly.

and isn't that the heart of Rex's concept?

But on the other side of the coin, somebody has to get paid on that Rex perfect world defense. The corners MLB and Safety ?

[FireChan]

Again, the argument is that the defense wouldn't have been a priority if Schwartz was still here, and I think that I clearly outlined that bills would still be looking at a defensive player as their first pick. There is very little chance that Mario would have been on this roster.

I think you clearly outlined that defense would be as much of a priority if Schwartz was still here:

 

So to recap, if we didn't have Rex, we'd still need to replace Mario, look to draft Kyle's eventual replacement and still be missing that big body LB in the middle.

 

Which is demonstrably false as:

 

Someone will also need to explain to me how having two above average 4-3 LB's in Bradham and Brown is equal to having terrible 3-4 LB's who are basically camp bodies.

 

Then you made your satellite point of "sustainability," which is also quite challengeable. Because you believe that FA doesn't affect the RR scheme. Or that RR stars don't make big bucks. Or that rookie contracts are a product of the magical RR scheme. Or that Rex Ryan defenses were successful because HoF talent was drawn to them, rather than the other way around.

 

I took this topic over. My bad.

Bradham and Brown are "above average?" First I've heard that by anyone.

 

I agree Bradham made strides under Schwartz and Brown had some good moments as a rookie in that scheme.

 

But both were routinely abused when trying to defend shallow crossing routes. Cue up the Thursday nighter at Miami that year for a good example.

 

GO BILLS!!!

I may have been overly effusive in my praise. Both players have their warts and had bad games, clearly.

 

But give me Brown/Bradham in that 4-3 over Brown and the gaggle of misfits in this 3-4 everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. I don't think anyone could disagree.

Edited April 27, 2016 by FireChan

[BuffaloBillsMagic1]

Rex is such a defensive genius he has to have 90 percent of his defense be 1st or 2nd round picks. 90 percent of his 1st round picks have been defensive players.

[YoloinOhio]

Rex is such a defensive genius he has to have 90 percent of his defense be 1st or 2nd round picks. 90 percent of his 1st round picks have been defensive players.

90 percent of his 1st rd picks being defensive players doesn't equate to 90 percent of his defense being 1st or 2nd round picks.

 

Please tell me you know that

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

 

What's the probability that Mario & Bradham are on this team in 2016 even if Rex wasn't here?

I think the better question is how much more difficult is the decision to part ways if they repeat their 2014 performance?

 

Perhaps mario has some trade value or is worth a try at restructuring.

[Augie]

90 percent of his 1st rd picks being defensive players doesn't equate to 90 percent of his defense being 1st or 2nd round picks.

Please tell me you know that

Clearly different things, and not to nit pick, but that is a telling stat (if true). It fits my impression without doing ANY research. It's any easy way to make yourself look better. Hog all the top picks.

[K-9]

90 percent of his 1st rd picks being defensive players doesn't equate to 90 percent of his defense being 1st or 2nd round picks.

 

Please tell me you know that

I bet he's looking up all of Rex's rosters and doing the math now that you provided a point of clarification.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[GG]

3 guys taking up that much cap space who were average players in Rexs scheme..... It begs the question, then why did we pay them?

 

Don't conflate the arguments.

 

Those guys got paid. Period.

 

They all underperformed under Rex in 2015. Period.

 

They probably would have performed better under Schwartz in 2015. Period.

 

Which has absolutely nothing to do with defense not being a priority in the 2016 draft if Schwartz was here, because it would be a priority

I think you clearly outlined that defense would be as much of a priority if Schwartz was still here:

 

So to recap, if we didn't have Rex, we'd still need to replace Mario, look to draft Kyle's eventual replacement and still be missing that big body LB in the middle.

 

Which is demonstrably false as:

 

Someone will also need to explain to me how having two above average 4-3 LB's in Bradham and Brown is equal to having terrible 3-4 LB's who are basically camp bodies.

 

Then you made your satellite point of "sustainability," which is also quite challengeable. Because you believe that FA doesn't affect the RR scheme. Or that RR stars don't make big bucks. Or that rookie contracts are a product of the magical RR scheme. Or that Rex Ryan defenses were successful because HoF talent was drawn to them, rather than the other way around.

 

I took this topic over. My bad.

I may have been overly effusive in my praise. Both players have their warts and had bad games, clearly.

 

But give me Brown/Bradham in that 4-3 over Brown and the gaggle of misfits in this 3-4 everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. I don't think anyone could disagree.

 

Who's your 3rd LB in that gaggle? Spikes was key to Schwartz's defense and he doesn't exist. Manny was totally miscast in '14.

 

So now you have Lawson, Brown, Brown, Hughes - vs - Bradham, ?, Brown. I don't see how this is a worse set in 2016

Edited April 27, 2016 by GG

[Gugny]

Do grown men write, "sez?"

[Solomon Grundy]

With JW's revelation, could John Blake's hiring be the tell tale sign that the Bills are going D line in the 1st rd? Blake was the D line coach in Dallas under Jimmy Johnson's SB teams that included Russell Maryland, Leon Lett and Charles Haley. At 19, the Bills have the chance to acquire a talented DL player to go alongside Dareus and K.Williams.

[4merper4mer]

90 percent of his 1st rd picks being defensive players doesn't equate to 90 percent of his defense being 1st or 2nd round picks.

Please tell me you know that

Eventually it would mean that if he didn't turn gold into lead.

[FireChan]

 

Don't conflate the arguments.

 

Those guys got paid. Period.

 

They all underperformed under Rex in 2015. Period.

 

They probably would have performed better under Schwartz in 2015. Period.

 

Which has absolutely nothing to do with defense not being a priority in the 2016 draft if Schwartz was here, because it would be a priority

 

Who's your 3rd LB in that gaggle? Spikes was key to Schwartz's defense and he doesn't exist. Manny was totally miscast in '14.

 

So now you have Lawson, Brown, Brown, Hughes - vs - Bradham, ?, Brown. I don't see how this is a worse set in 2016

Yes. Give me Bradham ? Brown in a 4-3 over the others in a 3-4. Two decent LB's vs 2 bad ones, one out of position and one older than dinosaurs in a 34. Especially considering how easy it is to find a Spikes compared to what we need for Rex's D.

Edited April 28, 2016 by FireChan

[Beerball]

With JW's revelation, could John Blake's hiring be the tell tale sign that the Bills are going D line in the 1st rd? Blake was the D line coach in Dallas under Jimmy Johnson's SB teams that included Russell Maryland, Leon Lett and Charles Haley. At 19, the Bills have the chance to acquire a talented DL player to go alongside Dareus and K.Williams.

Not really. D-line is a big need as is LB.

[boyst]

That's the way I remembered it. Rex drafted heavily for D. It helped to perpetuate his perception (or myth, depending upon your view point). There's a reason their offense stunk. The D should have been even better for all those picks. I want Doug in charge this weekend.

and when they did, they screwed the pooch - went with geno smith and Mark sanchez. There only two first round picks not defense since 2006. In 2006 they drafted Nick Mangold and D'Brickshaw Ferguson. Prior to that it was 2001 when they drafted Anthony Becht and Santana Moss. They did not draft in first in 2005

 

The 2010 year was their best year.

Offensive 1st rounders:

Sanchez

Braylon Edwards

LaDainian Tomlinson

Santonio Holmes

Dustin Keller

D'Brickshaw Ferguson

Nick Mangold

Damien Woody

= 6 starters from the first round, Woody was on IR by year end.

 

Other notable offense:

Tony Richardson - 2x 2nd team all pro, 3x pro bowler, nfl all decade team

 

D 1st rounders:

Calvin Pace

Bryan Thomas

Antonio Cromartie

Revis

Kyle Wilson (rookie)

Shaun Ellis

Trevor Pryce

Vernon Gholston

= 8 1st rounders

 

Notables:

David Harris (2nd round)

Brodney Pool (2nd round)

 

That's a **** load of talent. I should have looked to see how many of them were not drafted by the Jets. Cro, Tomlinson, Edwards... off memory.

 

Then in 2011: Wilkerson, 2012 Coples, 2013 Milliner and Richardson, 2014 Pyror, 2015 LEonard Williams.

 

Contrarily, the Bills since 2001:

9 offensive picks - Mike Williams, McGahee, Evans, Losman, Lynch, Wood, Manuel, Watkins.

7 defensive picks - Clements, Whitner, McCargo, McKelvin, Maybin, Dareus, Spiller.

Edited April 28, 2016 by Boyst62

[4merper4mer]

and when they did, they screwed the pooch - went with geno smith and Mark sanchez. There only two first round picks not defense since 2006

 

Contrarily, the Bills since 2001:

9 offensive picks - Mike Williams, McGahee, Evans, Losman, Lynch, Wood, Manuel, Watkins.

7 defensive picks - Clements, Whitner, McCargo, McKelvin, Maybin, Dareus, Spiller.

Spiller played even less defense than Maybin.

 

Barely.

[hondo in seattle]

Does JW have inside information? Or is he making an educated guess?

 

It's hard to disagree. Our D was worse than our O last year and some players may be miscast in Rex's D.

 

I'm surprised some gurus are guessing the Bills to pick a WR in the 1st round. I get the concerns about Robert Woods as a legit #2, but our D needs help more than our O. And Roman likes to run more than he likes to pass. Given the team priorities & philosophy, a WR at #19 would be odd.

 

Pretty much everyone at the NFL website agrees with JW...

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/mock-drafts

Edited April 28, 2016 by hondo in seattle

[3rdand12]

Do grown men write, "sez?"

apparently since you jus dids

[YoloinOhio]

Does JW have inside information? Or is he making an educated guess?

 

It's hard to disagree. Our D was worse than our O last year and some players may be miscast in Rex's D.

 

I'm surprised some gurus are guessing the Bills to pick a WR in the 1st round. I get the concerns about Robert Woods as a legit #2, but our D needs help more than our O. And Roman likes to run more than he likes to pass. Given the team priorities & philosophy, a WR at #19 would be odd.

i haven't seen any gurus guessing that they take a WR in the 1st... Who was it