Liberal Protests

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

 

 

Still waiting for your examples of how “Obama definitely fanned the flames and set race relations back to before the '60s. For a man that could have united, he definitely was the great divider-in-chief.”

[whatdrought]

3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

cmon, you can do the math when it comes to Covid, but not when it comes to this situatiion. Thats just intellectually dishonest.

 

Besides that, how many of these incidents happen without a camera present and never get reported? 

 

Just like in the pandemic, two things can be true ....

 

yes, there is a problem systemically across the board..even if only 5% of police are bad, but they are allowed to operate without any consequences, that is a systemic problem. 

 

Yes, the idiots rioting and causing mayhem and propagating violence are to be condemned, and should be dealt with harshly and  to the full extent of the law.

 

 

 

  

 

 

What math is he missing?

 

I agree two things can be true. It can be true that there are other conversations to be had about policing and race relations in America  and also true that the “racist police are always killing innocent black people because they’re racist”  narrative is completely media driven. 

Edited June 3, 2020 by whatdrought

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

What math is he missing?

 

I agree two things can be true. It can be true that there are other conversations to be had about policing and race relations in America  and also true that the “police are always killing innocent black people” narrative is completely media driven. 

In what way is it media driven? Are you saying it should be ignored by media or they are just exagerating the extent? 

[GG]

5 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Still waiting for your examples of how “Obama definitely fanned the flames and set race relations back to before the '60s. For a man that could have united, he definitely was the great divider-in-chief.”

 

You'd probably get responses if you weren't a bot programmed spam machine. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

You'd probably get responses if you weren't a bot programmed spam machine. 

Not from me. I have him on ignore and would have never known he quoted me without someone else quoting him.

 

[BillStime]

Just now, GG said:

 

You'd probably get responses if you weren't a bot programmed spam machine. 

Nah I’m not going to let him/her slip by with broad statements like that with zero examples. 

[Sig1Hunter]

6 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

cmon, you can do the math when it comes to Covid, but not when it comes to this situatiion. Thats just intellectually dishonest.

 

Besides that, how many of these incidents happen without a camera present and never get reported? 

 

Just like in the pandemic, two things can be true ....

 

yes, there is a problem systemically across the board..even if only 5% of police are bad, but they are allowed to operate without any consequences, that is a systemic problem. 

 

Yes, the idiots rioting and causing mayhem and propagating violence are to be condemned, and should be dealt with harshly and  to the full extent of the law.

 

 

 

  

 

 

How many cops are killed by black suspects? How many cops are killed by white suspects? Is there any context behind the numbers of people, both white and black, that are killed by police? The fact that people love making the statement that x percentage of people are killed by cops, without any context whatsoever, THAT is intellectually dishonest. 

[plenzmd1]

Just now, whatdrought said:

What math is he missing?

 

I agree two things can be true. It can be true that there are other conversations to be had about policing and race relations in America  and also true that the “police are always killing innocent black people” narrative is completely media driven. 

this math..the same that says yep cases are up 3%, but tests are up 12%...

 

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Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

[BillStime]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Not from me. I have him on ignore and would have never known he quoted me without someone else quoting him.

 

And that’s exactly why I persisted.

9 minutes ago, GG said:

 

You'd probably get responses if you weren't a bot programmed spam machine. 

Let’s go @Buffalogal - let’s hear all the examples on how “Obama definitely fanned the flames and set race relations back to before the '60s. For a man that could have united, he definitely was the great divider-in-chief.”

[plenzmd1]

5 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

How many cops are killed by black suspects? How many cops are killed by white suspects? Is there any context behind the numbers of people, both white and black, that are killed by police? The fact that people love making the statement that x percentage of people are killed by cops, without any context whatsoever, THAT is intellectually dishonest. 

the number of people killed by the police in custody by race vs the percentage of that race in the population of the population is in fact...fact. The number killed while armed by race is in fact..fact. 

 

 

 

Does not diminish at all what officers are faced with on a daily basis. But @SoCal Deek in one thread wants to use numbers as facts..and understands percentages etc, but is this thread chooses to ignore them.

[Sig1Hunter]

7 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

this math..the same that says yep cases are up 3%, but tests are up 12%...

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

You forgot those quote from that study:

 

 “Fatalities resulting from LE action are included without regard to whether the death was intentional or legally justifiable.”

 

 

[plenzmd1]

Just now, Sig1Hunter said:

You forgot those quote from that study:

 

 “Fatalities resulting from LE action are included without regard to whether the death was intentional or legally justifiable.”

 

 

Never made any qualification one way or the other...and i used that study as it is peer reviewed..newer numbers out there. 

 

Is your argument based on this statement that most likley the deaths of black people was  more " legally justifibale" than white people?

[Sig1Hunter]

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

the number of people killed by the police in custody by race vs the percentage of that race in the population of the population is in fact...fact. The number killed while armed by race is in fact..fact. 

 

 

 

Does not diminish at all what officers are faced with on a daily basis. But @SoCal Deek in one thread wants to use numbers as facts..and understands percentages etc, but is this thread chooses to ignore them.

Numbers are numbers. If you, or anyone, wants to actually know the extent of the problem, you will actually look past the numbers. The numbers say people are killed. But, isn’t the why just as important? Is there a problem? Yes. One death is a problem. The narrative that black people are killed indiscriminately by racist cops is complete garbage. 

[Tiberius]

17 minutes ago, GG said:

 

You'd probably get responses if you weren't a bot programmed spam machine. 

Shut up you idiot 

[SectionC3]

39 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Why do you and other libs worry about Trump's health?  Many of you were fine voting for someone with a half-dead heart (Bernie) and many are now fine voting for someone with a half-dead brain (Biden)

 

 

Because 8 years under a black President wasn't enough time to get it done...

 

I’m not worried about Trump’s health.  He’s the “healthiest president ever,” remember?  I’m worried about the message his obesity sends to the rest of the world.  I don’t want people like Putin to think that he’s lazy and soft.  I’m also concerned about his commission of the deadly sin of gluttony.  There are a lot of starving people in the world, and I worry that Trump dishonors the Holy Spirit by dishonoring his body.  I also worry for Trump’s apostles, who dishonor their fathers by commiserating with that glutton. 

[plenzmd1]

Just now, Sig1Hunter said:

Numbers are numbers. If you, or anyone, wants to actually know the extent of the problem, you will actually look past the numbers. The numbers say people are killed. But, isn’t the why just as important? Is there a problem? Yes. One death is a problem. The narrative that black people are killed indiscriminately by racist cops is complete garbage. 

who has said that in this thread? But to look at the numbers at say black folks die at a rate 2.8% greater rate than white people and deny there may be a systemic issue is putting your head in the sand. 

 

Let me ask you this way, what do you ascribe that increase in rate to?

[Westside]

20 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Nah I’m not going to let him/her slip by with broad statements like that with zero examples. 

That's you in a nutshell. Hypocrite 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, westside2 said:

That's you in a nutshell. Hypocrite 

Did you attend any protests? 

[SectionC3]

23 minutes ago, GG said:

 

You'd probably get responses if you weren't a bot programmed spam machine. 

 

Hoax.  There are no reasonable responses to that point because the initial premise was (surprise, surprise) BS.  Everyone knows it.  

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

        

 

 

[BillStime]

4 minutes ago, westside2 said:

That's you in a nutshell. Hypocrite 

How so bro?

 

@Buffalogal - still waiting...

[Deranged Rhino]

 

That's not cult like. 

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

I'm not entirely certain you really care about his spiritual health.

 

In fact, I'm completely certain you're not, and rather are mocking people who actually do believe in that stuff. Which, of course, makes you a bigot.

 

He's not worried about his physical or spiritual health.  But it just goes to show you the "tolerant left" is only tolerant when you agree with them.

[SectionC3]

Just now, Jaraxxus said:

 

I'm not entirely certain you really care about his spiritual health.

 

In fact, I'm completely certain you're not, and rather are mocking people who actually do believe in that stuff. Which, of course, makes you a bigot.

 

 

The second sentence is a hoax.  You don’t have a clue about what I do and don’t believe.  I fail more often than I succeed, but I do my best to live a pious life. 

 

The first sentence is partially true.  I don’t concern myself with Donald Trump’s spiritual health.  He is someone who exploits religion for personal gain.  I wish that he would not do that, but unfortunately I am powerless to instill the Holy Spirit within him.   

[LB3]

4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

who has said that in this thread? But to look at the numbers at say black folks die at a rate 2.8% greater rate than white people and deny there may be a systemic issue is putting your head in the sand. 

 

Let me ask you this way, what do you ascribe that increase in rate to?

These conversations are always tough because it's a sensitive topic. Home life is why the rate is so high. In 2018, black children were 2.7 times more likely to come from a single parent home than white children (65% vs 24%). Promoting strong family values and good parenting aren't as easy when you're a single parent. What are the factors that cause this? I'm sure incarceration is a portion of it, but why is that number of single parent homes so vastly different? Is it a cultural thing placing less emphasis on family? I don't know the answer. These are questions that need to be answered but rarely do because someone screams "racist" and the conversation ends.

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

That's not cult like. 

Hoax.  There’s nothing reverential about the statement. And the collective kneeling is a form of unified speech.  

[Reality Check]

51 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said:

few? Have you seen how Brooklyn has evolved the past 10 years?

 

Young suburban white people have been flooding to cities for a while now. Cheaper rent/housing prices have expanded their footprint deeper into these cities (largely minority communities). 
 

There is nothing wrong with it on the surface, but it does start to price long time residents out of their neighborhoods. The majority of elected officials (dems included) don’t care about these people because increases property values=more tax revenue. Bloomberg used police in Brooklyn as an example to keep crime at bay in these communities to further encourage/foster gentrification.

 

The only elected official I know whom really cares about the people is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who has made it her lives work improving the lives underprivileged minorities 

I stay out of the city. It's a pig sty with too many volatile libtards who can't figure out their own problems. Perhaps you are right. Maybe people with money to invest should stop investing in NYC and just leave.

[Sig1Hunter]

2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

who has said that in this thread? But to look at the numbers at say black folks die at a rate 2.8% greater rate than white people and deny there may be a systemic issue is putting your head in the sand. 

 

Let me ask you this way, what do you ascribe that increase in rate to?

An increased propensity of black people to resist violently? From 2004 to 2013, 43% of officers killed in the line of duty were killed by black suspects. Given that the black population is approximately 14 percent of the population, how else do you explain that disproportionate gap? 

[Gary M]

37 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

 

yes, there is a problem systemically across the board..even if only 5% of police are bad, but they are allowed to operate without any consequences, that is a systemic problem. 

 

 

And who created and runs the systems with the most problems? Let me help you Democrats.

 

 

[Reality Check]

7 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

        

 

 

Now this is change I can believe in!

[SectionC3]

9 minutes ago, westside2 said:

That's you in a nutshell. Hypocrite 

 

Time to castigate but not time to respond on the merits.  BillsTime, 1, westside2 and BuffaloGal, 0. 

2 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

I stay out of the city. It's a pig sty with too many volatile libtards who can't figure out their own problems. Perhaps you are right. Maybe people with money to invest should stop investing in NYC and just leave.

 

Scared of the snowflakes, I see.  That is not dominant.  Sad!

[Reality Check]

2 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

An increased propensity of black people to resist violently? From 2004 to 2013, 43% of officers killed in the line of duty were killed by black suspects. Given that the black population is approximately 14 percent of the population, how else do you explain that disproportionate gap? 

The truth hurts the libtard brain.

[SectionC3]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

He's not worried about his physical or spiritual health.  But it just goes to show you the "tolerant left" is only tolerant when you agree with them.

 

Hoax.  I’m tolerant.  

 

You’re right about the physical health point, though.  There is no reason to worry about that issue because President McCheese is the “healthiest president ever.”

[whatdrought]

25 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

this math..the same that says yep cases are up 3%, but tests are up 12%...

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

 

13 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Never made any qualification one way or the other...and i used that study as it is peer reviewed..newer numbers out there. 

 

Is your argument based on this statement that most likley the deaths of black people was  more " legally justifibale" than white people?

 

10 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

who has said that in this thread? But to look at the numbers at say black folks die at a rate 2.8% greater rate than white people and deny there may be a systemic issue is putting your head in the sand. 

 

Let me ask you this way, what do you ascribe that increase in rate to?

 

 

The problem is that, as with COVID (and I'm not sure the context of what you were discussing with the other poster) numbers in a vacuum without context are useless. A death rate of 2.8% greater is problematic until you adjust for the fact that that same population of 13% nationwide commits over half the murders and a much higher number of violent crimes proportionately. 

 

Here's a reference trying damn hard to say it aint so, but who had to admit that crime statistics show blacks are committing more violent crimes: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

 

As I said in my response to you, where is the evidence that racist cops are hunting black people?

 

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I agree two things can be true. It can be true that there are other conversations to be had about policing and race relations in America  and also true that the “racist police are always killing innocent black people because they’re racist”  narrative is completely media driven. 

 

 

As for this comment: 

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But to look at the numbers at say black folks die at a rate 2.8% greater rate than white people and deny there may be a systemic issue is putting your head in the sand. 

 

The same can be said about the numbers that demonstrate the black community committing so many more violent crimes. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

Hoax.  There’s nothing reverential about the statement. And the collective kneeling is a form of unified speech.  

As is an adult wearing a football players jersey (You're so cool man!),  playing the Powerball  (I wants me money!) and taking a ferry to Nantucket.  However, the Nantucket rule only applies to trips on a high speed ferry.  Obviously participants are saying "I don't have time for this". 

[Sig1Hunter]

2 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

The truth hurts the libtard brain.

Yeah. So, basically, a cop is more likely to be killed by a black suspect, than a black person is to be killed by a cop (justifiably or not). 

[Reality Check]

The racist Section3C has endorsed the words of the greatest libtard of all time. The one and only super predator hunter of our generation. Hillary. Why does Section3C support such obvious racism. He is a racist to his core. Watch and learn.

 

[whatdrought]

This is by no means an exhaustive study on the situation, and I'm sure many would ignore it given the source, but I think he asks some interesting questions while looking at the data. 

 

 

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

As is an adult wearing a football players jersey (You're so cool man!),  playing the Powerball  (I wants me money!) and taking a ferry to Nantucket.  However, the Nantucket rule only applies to trips on a high speed ferry.  Obviously participants are saying "I don't have time for this". 

 

If you’re saying that an adult wearing a jersey with the name of another man is not cool, then I completely agree with you.  Same thing with Powerball.  Stoooo-pid.  Invest that couple of bucks a week. 

[LB3]

4 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

The truth hurts the libtard brain.

Plenz isn't a libtard by any means. He might have different opinions sometimes but he stays open minded and engages honestly.