SectionC3 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Right on the outside review. It should always happen. As for the issue of confederate statues, I am somewhat conflicted. I am not a big fan of erasing history and I feel it is a slippery slope. I also recognize that we don't want to glorify something as horrific as slavery. I think distinctions can be made. There are statues and monuments that were erected specifically to endorse white supremacy and the inferiority of the black race. I have no problem doing away with those because of the intent behind their construction. I am not a fan of eradicating statues/monuments/etc. of people that were created to honor their contributions to this country, simply because they also held a belief we might find reprehensible today, but was not that uncommon in their time. Lots of honest dialogue on that issue. Those are some fair points. I was a history major, and I’m very interested in American history and Civil War history. On the one hand, I agree with you. We shouldn’t destroy anything of historical value in the passions of the moment. On the other hand, I can’t say that I think it appropriate to literally elevate Robert E. Lee in Richmond. Maybe there’s a better way to do it without making the statutes shrines or gathering points. I don’t have a good explanation of what that should be - perhaps the Smithsonian? I don’t know. But I do know that the time to change the “monumental” character of those things has long since passed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, Magox said: mmhmmm Yep, I'm sure if the White House just allowed people to go right up to it, that everything would be kosher. Kumbaya, you name it. I guarantee this idiot has no less than 2 armed security officers around her at all time and doesn't shop for her own groceries. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: Those are some fair points. I was a history major, and I’m very interested in American history and Civil War history. On the one hand, I agree with you. We shouldn’t destroy anything of historical value in the passions of the moment. On the other hand, I can’t say that I think it appropriate to literally elevate Robert E. Lee in Richmond. Maybe there’s a better way to do it without making the statutes shrines or gathering points. I don’t have a good explanation of what that should be - perhaps the Smithsonian? I don’t know. But I do know that the time to change the “monumental” character of those things has long since passed. If you know civil war history then you know it really wasn't fought over slavery. If we're to erase anyone who had anything to do with slavery then we'll lose George Washington, Jefferson etc. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 minute ago, bilzfancy said: If you know civil war history then you know it really wasn't fought over slavery. If we're to erase anyone who had anything to do with slavery then we'll lose George Washington, Jefferson etc. Don't bring facts and logic to a Feelz fight. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 modern remix of an older song listen to the words they are powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandemonium Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I don't see any laughing. ?♂️ Lots of "stay home" responses. Hey, that is what we were told for the covid "crisis," same should apply here. How exactly does one “actively pass out?” 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 ANALYSIS: TRUE. Protests Expose Lockdowns And Social Distancing Shaming As A Farce. Related: ‘We’ve All Been Played:’ Bethany Mandel takes the Left and their ‘scandal of the century’ APART in just two brutal tweets. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Margarita said: modern remix of an older song listen to the words they are powerful. A better one is Barry McGuire's Eve of Destruction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Those are some fair points. I was a history major, and I’m very interested in American history and Civil War history. On the one hand, I agree with you. We shouldn’t destroy anything of historical value in the passions of the moment. On the other hand, I can’t say that I think it appropriate to literally elevate Robert E. Lee in Richmond. Maybe there’s a better way to do it without making the statutes shrines or gathering points. I don’t have a good explanation of what that should be - perhaps the Smithsonian? I don’t know. But I do know that the time to change the “monumental” character of those things has long since passed. It really is a tough issue. I am very interested in American history myself and I have no problems with the existence of anything that honors the memory of Robert E. Lee, as I 'm sure you don't either. It is why people choose to honor him and elevate him that is the issue. That is what the constant struggle is for. Destroying things of historical value to stop the malevolent ways in which they are used is like tearing down windmills to stop damaging winds. Edited June 4, 2020 by billsfan1959 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: It’s also scary when you gas peaceful protestors to get a photo op and threaten to needlessly turn the military upon the civilian population. Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 Just now, westside2 said: Wrong He knows it........................he just doesn't care for that "fact" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 38 minutes ago, Magox said: mmhmmm Yep, I'm sure if the White House just allowed people to go right up to it, that everything would be kosher. Kumbaya, you name it. And the people's President should ride in a convertible. What a &^%$ing moron. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 3 hours ago, B-Man said: The police were not wearing gas masks..................it was NOT tear gas. I don't believe any of this social media stuff. The greatest vehicle for disinformation and mind control than any other invention in human history so far. However, I do know a little about tear gas. When I was in Marine boot camp they had us put gas masks on to learn how to use them. They then took us into a quanset hut where they had deployed tear gas. We could breathe fine. Then they had us take the masks off. Drool and spit started coming out of my mouth. My eyes were itchy and draining water. I was coughing and could hardly breathe. Then we put the masks back on and went back out side. It took 15 minutes for us to get back to where we could breathe normally and our eyes stop itching. I watched the video. People were not running madly away which one would do if really exposed. Instead some were running and some were being bad asses walking backwards with their hands up. One dude even stood there and let the cops push him along with their shields. Again, cops without gas masks walking into the smoke ("tear gas"). My experience with tear gas was waaaaaaaaaay different. I call BS. 6 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 44 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: It is, or it isn't. You've been wrong before, pretty consistently. Was I wrong in 2018? Where are you Paul Ryan??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: It really is a tough issue. I am very interested in American history myself and I have no problems with the existence of anything that honors the memory of Robert E. Lee, as I 'm sure you don't either. It is why people choose to honor him and elevate him that is the issue. That is what the constant struggle is for. Destroying something of historical value to stop the malevolent ways in which they are used is like tearing down windmills to stop the damaging winds. Mob violence to rip down statues isn't the way to deal with it. But let's be clear, many of these Confederate statues were erected by Segregationist states during Jim Crow as a symbol of white rule. Placed in the center of town squares and at capital buildings during Segregation, they were symbols of power. White power over black lives. That's the history of many of these statues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 48 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: This is the shaming of America. It is nothing more than bullying people who disagree with you into agreeing with you. It is a minority of this country that engages in it, and they rely on the decency of the majority to acquiesce because they are decent people who do not want to be perceived in the manner they are being depicted. It is the very absence of tolerance by those who wrap themselves up in that particular virtue. I wish I could say that’s true, but it’s way bigger than that. My college age niece is physically and visibly DISABLED! Even she’s apologizing for all white people for our so called privilege! Our woke generation has been brainwashed into buying this garbage by an out of control public education system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I don't believe any of this social media stuff. The greatest vehicle for disinformation and mind control than any other invention in human history so far. However, I do know a little about tear gas. When I was in Marine boot camp they had us put gas masks on to learn how to use them. They then took us into a quanset hut where they had deployed tear gas. We could breathe fine. Then they had us take the masks off. Drool and spit started coming out of my mouth. My eyes were itchy and draining water. I was coughing and could hardly breathe. Then we put the masks back on and went back out side. It took 15 minutes for us to get back to where we could breathe normally and our eyes stop itching. I watched the video. People were not running madly away which one would do if really exposed. Instead some were running and some were being bad asses walking backwards with their hands up. One dude even stood there and let the cops push him along with their shields. Again, cops without gas masks walking into the smoke ("tear gas"). My experience with tear gas was waaaaaaaaaay different. I call BS. Went through the same in army basic training, I'll never forget it, mask off say name, rank, serial number then slowly walk out, doubled over trying to breath, snot down to your feet, not a pleasant experience for sure 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Mob violence to rip down statues isn't the way to deal with it. But let's be clear, many of these Confederate statues were erected by Segregationist states during Jim Crow as a symbol of white rule. The Robert E. Lee statue in question was not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Motorin' said: Mob violence to rip down statues isn't the way to deal with it. But let's be clear, many of these Confederate statues were erected by Segregationist states during Jim Crow as a symbol of white rule. Placed in the center of town squares and at capital buildings during Segregation, they were symbols of power. White power over black lives. That's the history of many of these statues. I already addressed that in my post previous to the one above. There are distinctions to be made that, for me, rest on the intent of the specific historical statue / monument/ etc . What we don't need is the arbitray destruction of anything based on a mob mentality. There are better avenues to address these things. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 26 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: If you know civil war history then you know it really wasn't fought over slavery. If we're to erase anyone who had anything to do with slavery then we'll lose George Washington, Jefferson etc. It didn’t start strictly over slavery, you’re right. And you’re right about Washington and Jefferson. It’s a slippery slope there. But the monuments have to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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