Prickly Pete Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 So because they won games he was the one leading? http://cdn.photonesta.com/images/cdn.meme.am/instances/250x250/58894766.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 My comments concerning his achievements related to the worries about his leadership. I KNOW that there are many QB's with similar achievements, but none come to mind that were considered poor leaders. That's why I brought up George, and Cutler. I thought the connection I was making was obvious, but sometimes you have to bang people over the head here. "34-5....a Rose Bowl.... a Cotton Bowl... 2 Big 10 Championships" and then directly to ...team captain or not, the team responded to him just fine. See it now? See what I did there? I connected his achievements DIRECTLY to his ability to lead a team successfully, despite not being named a captain. I know the common criticisms of Cook, but obviously I think he will overcome them. We shall see. But as far as when he is drafted, we will know soon enough....see you then! My concern with Cook is with his poor completion %. To compare, EJ Manuel's NFL completion % is higher than Cook's college completion %. Yet people think Manuel is too inaccurate. Almost NO QBs have a higher completion % in the NFL than they did in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) My concern with Cook is with his poor completion %. To compare, EJ Manuel's NFL completion % is higher than Cook's college completion %. Yet people think Manuel is too inaccurate. Almost NO QBs have a higher completion % in the NFL than they did in college.That is my concern too and I rate Cook - I certainly rate him higher than Lynch. I get the completion % but he has been plagued and I mean plagued by drops the last 2 years. There have alsoo been too many errant throws but every now and again when you watch his tape there is a big boy tight window NFL throw that he will zip in there right on the money. Wentz is the only other QB in this class that can make those throws in the same way. I don't think Cook will be there by our 2nd round pick. If he was I would pick him. Edited April 11, 2016 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) That is my concern too and I rate Cook - I certainly rate him higher than Lynch. I get the completion % but he has been plagued and I mean plagued by drops the last 2 years. There have alsoo been too many errant throws but every now and again when you watch his tape there is a big boy tight window NFL throw that he will zip in there right on the money. Wentz is the only other QB in this class that can make those throws in the same way. I don't think Cook will be there by our 2nd round pick. If he was I would pick him. He won't last beyond the 2nd round. Like I said, I know the common criticisms of Cook, but believe he will overcome them. I'm just going on record here, to say "I believe in this guy". We shall see how it turns out. Edited April 12, 2016 by HoF Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 They seem determined to pick one of these low-floor, coach-killer QBs this year, Cook or Prescott, etc. I know they flirt with these guys every year but this year feels different... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 They seem determined to pick one of these low-floor, coach-killer QBs this year, Cook or Prescott, etc. I know they flirt with these guys every year but this year feels different... Due diligence is required to make an informed decision. This year is no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 @TheDraftWire 2016 NFL Draft Big Board: Final Quarterback Rankings: http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2016/04/11/2016-nfl-draft-big-board-final-quarterback-rankings/ I'd love to get Vernon Adams Jr. in the 5th. Take him in the 4th if he's still there just to be safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 i would be excited if the Bills drafted Cook. I'm dying to know their evaluations of these guys. I've only seen Wentz once or twice. He was fine but top 5 pick to me seems like a huge stretch. Project. that's understandable, but playing in a pro system gives him a huge edge over most prospects, but time will tell @TheDraftWire 2016 NFL Draft Big Board: Final Quarterback Rankings: http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2016/04/11/2016-nfl-draft-big-board-final-quarterback-rankings/ @salmaiorana Should the #Bills consider Connor Cook? This is the first in a 5-part series this week on possible Bills QB draft... https://t.co/5iehPeYjCC I dread seeing Cook with the Patriots, but he will never last that long. If he goes to the Giants, the Cards, the Saints, the Broncos, maybe the Chiefs, strong organizations that will need a new QB soon, he will be all set. I just don't see Roman wanting him badly enough to get him selected soon enough. He will be gone by the Bills 2nd pick, so they'd need to use the 1st on him. I think a small trade back and we can still get him and an extra picks That is my concern too and I rate Cook - I certainly rate him higher than Lynch. I get the completion % but he has been plagued and I mean plagued by drops the last 2 years. There have alsoo been too many errant throws but every now and again when you watch his tape there is a big boy tight window NFL throw that he will zip in there right on the money. Wentz is the only other QB in this class that can make those throws in the same way. I don't think Cook will be there by our 2nd round pick. If he was I would pick him. being in pro system it's harder to have higher percentage compared to all the short passes in the college spread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 being in pro system it's harder to have higher percentage compared to all the short passes in the college spread Of course that is true, however, as was said above the number of college QBs who increase their completion % in the NFL is small. Accuracy is a concern with Cook but I for one could look past it if he is still there by our 2nd pick and even by a trade right to the end of the 1st (though I think there are better uses of our 1st pick). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 @salmaiorana Penn State's Christian Hackenberg has the skill set, but oh, that accuracy. Should the #Bills look?... https://t.co/d5fEYazaCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtDart Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) Someone to replace Tie Rod, take your pick. I would like Cook, maybe some maturity issues but has all the weapons. Edited April 12, 2016 by DirtDart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Someone to replace Tie Rod, take your pick. I would like Cook, maybe some maturity issues but has all the weapons. Except he completes a low % of his passes. This is supposed to be EJ's fatal flaw, yet Manuel's college completion % was 10 points higher than Cook's. I've seen some video of Cook in which he looks pretty good, but I can't escape his low completion %. Some have argued that he suffered from WR drops and a general lack of talent at the receiver position. If that is true, then it is a fair and mitigating point. I would not hate Cook in round 2, but would be more comfortable with him in round 3. While Tyrod Taylor had a good season last year, you do have to guard against the possibility that last year was his best year. There is the possibility that defenses will clamp down on him now that they have a year's worth of video on him. There are plenty of one-year-wonders at QB in the NFL. A couple that come to mind off the top of my head include Matt Cassell and RG III. I am sure that there are plenty more (for one, Gary Marangi once looked good for the Bills, Trent Edwards, too). I don't know if any of the QBs this year will be good NFL starters and I don't want to invest even a 2nd round pick in someone who doesn't have a significantly higher probability of success than Taylor. However, I do think insurance is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) Except he completes a low % of his passes. This is supposed to be EJ's fatal flaw, yet Manuel's college completion % was 10 points higher than Cook's. I've seen some video of Cook in which he looks pretty good, but I can't escape his low completion %. Some have argued that he suffered from WR drops and a general lack of talent at the receiver position. If that is true, then it is a fair and mitigating point. I would not hate Cook in round 2, but would be more comfortable with him in round 3. While Tyrod Taylor had a good season last year, you do have to guard against the possibility that last year was his best year. There is the possibility that defenses will clamp down on him now that they have a year's worth of video on him. There are plenty of one-year-wonders at QB in the NFL. A couple that come to mind off the top of my head include Matt Cassell and RG III. I am sure that there are plenty more (for one, Gary Marangi once looked good for the Bills, Trent Edwards, too). I don't know if any of the QBs this year will be good NFL starters and I don't want to invest even a 2nd round pick in someone who doesn't have a significantly higher probability of success than Taylor. However, I do think insurance is needed. I have also heard that he didn't throw screen passes very often, which pad comp.% for many QB's. He's no Captain Checkdown. I'd sooner try to rein in a guy from going downfield, than try to get a checkdown specialist to throw downfield. Everyone has their opinion, my opinion is that if the Bills pass on him, they will regret it, and that he is going to be a very good NFL QB. Edited April 13, 2016 by HoF Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterNextYearRight? Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I have also heard that he didn't throw screen passes very often, which pad comp.% for many QB's. He's no Captain Checkdown. I'd sooner try to rein in a guy from going downfield, than try to get a checkdown specialist to throw downfield. Everyone has their opinion, my opinion is that if the Bills pass on him, they will regret it, and that he is going to be a very good NFL QB. Watching most of Cook's games the last 2 years myself, you are correct he did not throw many screens. When Langford was there they gave him to occasional screen but with the committee this year, none of them were very trustworthy with the ball. Michigan st has had mediocre talent at it's skill positions during Cook's tenure. Langford was a great RB, but Holmes and London both really struggled behind a great O-Line and at times couldn't give Cook any running game. At wide receiver in 2014, Cook's primary target was Tony Lippett and he was converted to CB by Miami after being drafted, which tells you all you need to know. In 2015 Burbridge was a average college receiver with very suspect hands who had to be the No.1 WR in that offense, he was drawing double coverage in a lot of games and the other WR's could never beat single coverage. The only guys at Sparty's skill positions that would be starters on other teams were Burbridge and maybe TE Josiah Price. Cook's completion percentage isn't a accurate portrayal of him as a prospect. My QB rankings Wentz Goff/Cook Jones Hackenberg Brissett Prescott Hogan Very surprised Brissett doesn't get more talk. Adams and Rudock as prospects are undraftable imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Of course that is true, however, as was said above the number of college QBs who increase their completion % in the NFL is small. Accuracy is a concern with Cook but I for one could look past it if he is still there by our 2nd pick and even by a trade right to the end of the 1st (though I think there are better uses of our 1st pick). he's worth it to me. having sucky WRs who forgot what hands are surely didn't help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I have also heard that he didn't throw screen passes very often, which pad comp.% for many QB's. He's no Captain Checkdown. I'd sooner try to rein in a guy from going downfield, than try to get a checkdown specialist to throw downfield. Everyone has their opinion, my opinion is that if the Bills pass on him, they will regret it, and that he is going to be a very good NFL QB. Watching most of Cook's games the last 2 years myself, you are correct he did not throw many screens. When Langford was there they gave him to occasional screen but with the committee this year, none of them were very trustworthy with the ball. Michigan st has had mediocre talent at it's skill positions during Cook's tenure. Langford was a great RB, but Holmes and London both really struggled behind a great O-Line and at times couldn't give Cook any running game. At wide receiver in 2014, Cook's primary target was Tony Lippett and he was converted to CB by Miami after being drafted, which tells you all you need to know. In 2015 Burbridge was a average college receiver with very suspect hands who had to be the No.1 WR in that offense, he was drawing double coverage in a lot of games and the other WR's could never beat single coverage. The only guys at Sparty's skill positions that would be starters on other teams were Burbridge and maybe TE Josiah Price. Cook's completion percentage isn't a accurate portrayal of him as a prospect. My QB rankings Wentz Goff/Cook Jones Hackenberg Brissett Prescott Hogan Very surprised Brissett doesn't get more talk. Adams and Rudock as prospects are undraftable imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Well we know the Texans are interested in Prescott. This is hilarious. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/04/13/texans-scout-texting-dak-prescott-gets-a-female-saints-fan-instead/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I've not looked at Brissett at all and haven't seen him play - if I get time and I will have a look at what video there is of him out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 @salmaiorana My QB class series continues with Memphis' Paxton Lynch. If #Bills pick him, he's not playing anytime soon.... https://t.co/bbVy8XvcEa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso 5m5 minutes ago One of the important & telling charts in my Boykin column pertaining to the QB prospects in the 2016 draft class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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