peterpan Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 And that's the problem. Too many people think you can slice and dice life into perfect little units in HD and remove human judgement from the equation. No matter how clear the images or how many frames per second you can see, you can't. No, I think this problem comes up more because of the review. Most of these plays are catches that are overturned because of the HD replay. Personally I think this committee should work backwards. Get tape the the Calvin Johnson catch, the fez Bryant catch, and some others. Those should be catches, but the rules say otherwise. Write the new rules so that those catches count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I never liked the part where the receiver makes the catch and then the DB is allowed to come by 30 seconds later and strip it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 if you secure the ball it should be catch... get rid of this "complete the catch all the way through to the ground". keep it simple, posses the ball and secure it, it's a catch.... what happens after doesn't matter. Out of bounds? Also, what is secure... Does holding it in one hand count? What about one hand and pinned against your helmet while you fall over? Between your legs with no hands? What if both players have their hands on the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Take as much opinion out of the equasion as possible. The moment a player has control of the ball and two feet down (or one elbow, knee, butt, etc) its a catch. Forget this "football move" element that is currently in place. Also, any time the ball hits the ground before a ref claims the player has completed a catch it is incomplete. It doesnt matter if the ball moves or doesnt move. Hits the ground before a ref states its a completion and its incomplete. Do this and the only thing the refs have to decide is if control of the ball was exhibited and no other element of the rule calls for a subjective opinion. Out of bounds? Also, what is secure... Does holding it in one hand count? What about one hand and pinned against your helmet while you fall over? Between your legs with no hands? What if both players have their hands on the ball? There is no getting rid of some subjectivity, all they can do is eleminate as much as possible. I'd identify control as at least one hand firmly possessing the ball. Any balls pinned to helmets, legs, etc. would have to be brought into the chest or into two hands before the ball is knocked away/lost to be considered a catch. If the ball touches the ground before this happens it is incomplete. There is never going to be a perfect system, just streamline it as much as possible and leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 WRs want everything to be a catch. One on the committee is probably enough. What's a catch is also a fumble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 What's a catch is also a fumble? This will actually be an unintended consequence of changing the rule. If it's easier to get a catch there will be more fumbles. WRs should be careful what they ask for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) This will actually be an unintended consequence of changing the rule. If it's easier to get a catch there will be more fumbles. WRs should be careful what they ask for. I don't think it's just WRs asking for clarification. I think it is everybody that has anything thing to with football and anyone that has an interest in it. There is no consistency with it. One play the receiver gets his hands on it but drops it before getting any type of control or taking a step or making a move and it's called a fumble but a couple drives later receiver catches the ball, tucks it so ball is secure, takes 4-5 steps, gets hit and goes to the ground with possession then rolls over and as he's getting up the corner hits the ball out of his hands. No catch. I don't know if it's more of the referees are incompetent or the rules are that messed up but every referee crew is very inconsistent in what they call complete or incomplete. They had Mike Carey on during a review and he said that clearly wasn't a catch here's why____. The red came back and said it WAS a catch and here is why _____. Then the announcer went on and on about how the referees don't even know what is a catch. Edited December 12, 2015 by Not at the table Karlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 After further review, you did not get both feet on the ground and complete the process of becoming ill while having complete control of the illness. The ruling on the field is overturned, you're healthy. Can that be challenged? Yes to insurance company in whose best interest is to deny it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Take as much opinion out of the equasion as possible. The moment a player has control of the ball and two feet down (or one elbow, knee, butt, etc) its a catch. Forget this "football move" element that is currently in place. Also, any time the ball hits the ground before a ref claims the player has completed a catch it is incomplete. It doesnt matter if the ball moves or doesnt move. Hits the ground before a ref states its a completion and its incomplete. Do this and the only thing the refs have to decide is if control of the ball was exhibited and no other element of the rule calls for a subjective opinion. There is no getting rid of some subjectivity, all they can do is eleminate as much as possible. I'd identify control as at least one hand firmly possessing the ball. Any balls pinned to helmets, legs, etc. would have to be brought into the chest or into two hands before the ball is knocked away/lost to be considered a catch. If the ball touches the ground before this happens it is incomplete. There is never going to be a perfect system, just streamline it as much as possible and leave it at that. How do you define control? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 Changes coming to the catch rule? (2:15) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Polian, Philbin among personnel on NFL's new catch committee I like that mix. Hopefully they can come up with something that makes sense to the average fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Yea that is what this problem needs.... more group think.... and discussion. It needs one person who we consider sufficiently expert to be given full authority to define the rule. Not 5 or 6 people in a room fudging and compromising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I heard this on the radio this AM. Only 1 WR on the committee. There should be more. I am ok with 1 but would argue a DB should be included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 1, 2016 Author Share Posted February 1, 2016 NFL VP of Officiating says catch rule 'is in a good place right now' Is the NFL in a 'good place right now' with the catch rule? Dean Blandino thinks so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 NFL VP of Officiating says catch rule 'is in a good place right now' Or they will be in a good place, once they take three steps and maintain control of the rule without falling down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Or they will be in a good place, once they take three steps and maintain control of the rule without falling down. I don't think Dean Blandino is the guy for the job if he thinks the NFL has no problem. It all starts with that.......wouldn't ya think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Will the announcers still feel obligated to use the phrase "football move" as if it means something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I don't think Dean Blandino is the guy for the job if he thinks the NFL has no problem. It all starts with that.......wouldn't ya think. Agree completely for he is the one who ill defined the rule and the zebras applied it very inconsistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 The current NFL catch rule feels like a rule put together by a committee of lawyers, which is I suspect exactly how it was done. It is too complex and has become disconnected from reality in many ways. It needs to be simplified and brought back to understandable, common sense logic. I am not sure how to do that, but if the League comes back from this and say there is no issue, then they are completely disconnected from reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Can't have a committee without a sub-committee. Can't have a sub-committee without a meeting. Can't have a meeting without an agenda. Agendas must be posted to the Sharepoint. So don't look for any changes to the rule until the NFL at least announces a Sharepoint has been loaded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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