26CornerBlitz Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Issue in my mind is that Whaley has chosen one and now possibly two poor coaches for this franchise. Its not just abouy buikding a roster. And one without a good QB. Coaches matter big time. At what point does the Teflon wear off of Whaley? The Pegulas wanted Rex as much or more than Whaley and I firmly believe Marrone was a Brandon choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I would seriously doubt there'd be changes at the HC or GM position. There's really no point to do it either, other than repeating the musical chairs games of the past. We need a good QB period. We may have one, but he is currently injured and doesn't have a healthy supporting cast. That's really it. Again, TPegs did not spend 1.4B and then hand out all those big contracts to have this bad a team. He may not know football but I'd wager that he's going to get eyes on his team in the wake of today's debacle. Who knows, perhaps it's already happened. The book on Whaley is he hasn't found a good QB or really drafted well offensively. At QB, he's signed guys off the street, drafted a guy, traded for guys and nothing worked. And before the predictable excuse makers show up en masse to ask who he should have picked, I would ask this question: Would a billionaire owner trust Doug Whaley who's tried and failed so often to find a good QB? I wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 The Pegulas wanted Rex as much or more than Whaley and I firmly believe Marrone was a Brandon choice. Yeah, Marrone was Brandon's boy, but Rex was all Peg's call. Does Rex report to Whaley? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Again, TPegs did not spend 1.4B and then hand out all those big contracts to have this bad a team. He may not know football but I'd wager that he's going to get eyes on his team in the wake of today's debacle. Who knows, perhaps it's already happened. The book on Whaley is he hasn't found a good QB or really drafted well offensively. At QB, he's signed guys off the street, drafted a guy, traded for guys and nothing worked. And before the predictable excuse makers show up en masse to ask who he should have picked, I would ask this question: Would a billionaire owner trust Doug Whaley who's tried and failed so often to find a good QB? I wouldn't. To be fair, Taylor has played fairly well, all things considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 To be fair, Taylor has played fairly well, all things considered. And you can thank Rex for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 IMO at this point in the season TT is the offensive MVP. vacated when Freddie was let go. Even after missing two games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 And you can thank Rex for that. Oh, our GM had no input on that signing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Oh, our GM had no input on that signing? He may have agreed with Rex, just as with Harvin, IK, and some others that Rex wanted & they signed but didn't make the team. That's as much as I'll give him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills! Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 So0o0 now that cassel preformed worse can we move on from the thought he would of done better...Ej is a back up Cassel is a back up but maybe a little worse..and tyrod is a unknown back up to bottom 15 QB...Is rivers available yet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I think we saw why they decided not to keep Cassel. I was wishing he did well, but it wasn't so. So0o0 now that cassel preformed worse can we move on from the thought he would of done better...Ej is a back up Cassel is a back up but maybe a little worse..and tyrod is a unknown back up to bottom 15 QB...Is rivers available yet ? I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Again, TPegs did not spend 1.4B and then hand out all those big contracts to have this bad a team. He may not know football but I'd wager that he's going to get eyes on his team in the wake of today's debacle. Who knows, perhaps it's already happened. The book on Whaley is he hasn't found a good QB or really drafted well offensively. At QB, he's signed guys off the street, drafted a guy, traded for guys and nothing worked. And before the predictable excuse makers show up en masse to ask who he should have picked, I would ask this question: Would a billionaire owner trust Doug Whaley who's tried and failed so often to find a good QB? I wouldn't. What QB should Whaley have signed that he didn't? Think carefully, this is a very important answer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 I think we saw why they decided not to keep Cassel. I was wishing he did well, but it wasn't so. I hope so. I can't root for the Cowboys, so I didn't care one way or the other. I was happy to see Coughlin--who I like--win. What QB should Whaley have signed that he didn't? Think carefully, this is a very important answer.... McCown was the guy, but the Browns outspent us and (from what I read) promised him more of a chance. He's a better player than Cassel at this point, and that's been made clear this season. He's playing pretty well for the Browns even though the record doesn't show it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) I think we saw why they decided not to keep Cassel. I was wishing he did well, but it wasn't so. I hope so. why is it that when manuel has bad days, many here say he just needs more time or you can't judge him on one game, etc. it's being said even now. cassel has a bad day and it's proof positive that he's a bum. seems a double standard and a lot of wishful thinking. look, neither manuel or cassell are great or even good qb's. it's sad that we were in the position to need to pick between the 2. but many, including sports writers and commentators, are suggesting that cassel would be less likely to lose the bills games like manuel did yesterday. I think that's likely true. Edited October 26, 2015 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 To be fair, Taylor has played fairly well, all things considered. Yes, but as Rico noted, that doesn't seem like a Whaley decision. What QB should Whaley have signed that he didn't? Think carefully, this is a very important answer.... Such a predictable response. Whenever Buffalo shows their QB situation is poor, we always see this post. Well, as I've noted, OBD has been horrible identifying QB's and when they do, the player has been a bust. There are muliple QB's taken from 2011-2014 in the 2nd and 3rd who are better than Manuel. And they're improving where EJ isn't. Take your pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Yes, but as Rico noted, that doesn't seem like a Whaley decision. I agree. I was just pointing out that the Bills appear to have a fairly decent QB on the roster who can help lead the team to wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 why is it that when manuel has bad days, many here say he just needs more time or you can't judge him on one game, etc. it's being said even now. cassel has a bad day and it's proof positive that he's a bum. seems a double standard and a lot of wishful thinking. look, neither manuel or cassell are great or even good qb's. it's sad that we were in the position to need to pick between the 2. but many, including sports writers and commentators, are suggesting that cassel would be less likely to lose the bills games like manuel did yesterday. I think that's likely true. I am not sure how you come to that conclusion. Did you watch the Cowboys game? That loss is on Cassel, just as much as the Bills loss was on Manuel. Are we really comparing relative suckitude? Come on. This should not even be a debate. Of course the local sports writers want to keep it alive but it does mean you have to buy in to their personal opinions as if they were somehow fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I agree. I was just pointing out that the Bills appear to have a fairly decent QB on the roster who can help lead the team to wins. Right. Although, it seems like the trend in Buffalo with Whaley has been for the HC to push for QB options beside EJ. Last year it was the Orton signing at the end of camp and this year Tyrod's acquisition in free agency along with the Cassel trade. It's why I suspect Whaley didn't want competition at QB and dragged his feet with Marrone wanting Orton (although KO probably didn't want to go to a camp) and this year Rex winning out by getting them to sign 2 EJ competitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I am not sure how you come to that conclusion. Did you watch the Cowboys game? That loss is on Cassel, just as much as the Bills loss was on Manuel. Are we really comparing relative suckitude? Come on. This should not even be a debate. Of course the local sports writers want to keep it alive but it does mean you have to buy in to their personal opinions as if they were somehow fact. not fact, opinion, and a reasonable opinion to consider. just as or more reasonable an opinion as those saying here that manuel just needs more time to develop at the beginning of the season. I watched some of the dallas game. I think fundamentally, cassel is the better player. it's widely reported that the bills coaches did as well. and it's not just local guys reporting it. there are links to national stories on this on threads here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 not fact, opinion, and a reasonable opinion to consider. just as or more reasonable an opinion as those saying here that manuel just needs more time to develop at the beginning of the season. I watched some of the dallas game. I think fundamentally, cassel is the better player. it's widely reported that the bills coaches did as well. and it's not just local guys reporting it. there are links to national stories on this on threads here. Cassels Int's stay in the air longer, would give the defense time to rest. Definetly a better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) I can't root for the Cowboys, so I didn't care one way or the other. I was happy to see Coughlin--who I like--win. McCown was the guy, but the Browns outspent us and (from what I read) promised him more of a chance. He's a better player than Cassel at this point, and that's been made clear this season. He's playing pretty well for the Browns even though the record doesn't show it. I don't root for the Cowboys per say, but hoping Cassel didn't suck so much. He's a nice guy and I have no issues with him. Edited October 26, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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