YoloinOhio Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 @mikerodak: Bills RB coach Anthony Lynn says that Karlos Williams earned No. 2 job in training camp before injury and is expected to return to that role @TyDunne: Lynn added that all of his backs, Williams included, look healthy. Thinks time off could've actually helped LeSean McCoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I wonder if that has more to do with his ability to be a hard 3rd down/short yardage guy.... I think Bryce will be used to spell Shady more than Williams, but hey- I'm wrong all the time, Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) He's only #2 because of Whaley's ego. /sarcasm Edited September 8, 2015 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Good work, Karlos! Also saw that it was a competition between Bryce and Karlos for the #2 position for most of camp. Looks like Boobie was more or less a lock for ST alone. I don't suppose Lynn had anything to say about Fred? Would be interested in what he had to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Good work, Karlos! Also saw that it was a competition between Bryce and Karlos for the #2 position for most of camp. Looks like Boobie was more or less a lock for ST alone. I don't suppose Lynn had anything to say about Fred? Would be interested in what he had to say. We have two sets of backs with similar skills... I like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Karlos is a monster runner. I am confident he will be good when he gets the football. My biggest question with him is, will he read pressure properly and pick up blitzers anywhere near as well as Fred Jackson did? That remains a question that could end up haunting the Bills if he is not good at it. I think Karlos is going to improve the Bills' rushing attack a lot which is what this coaching staff seems to be all about. So I am glad he is here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I wonder if that has more to do with his ability to be a hard 3rd down/short yardage guy.... I think Bryce will be used to spell Shady more than Williams, but hey- I'm wrong all the time, Lol Short yardage, probably a better bettering ram than shady. But McCoy is probably the best 3rd down back in the NFL if you consider play making ability in space. He's likely not coming out situationally by design unless they need a bulldozer to get them a yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I wonder if that has more to do with his ability to be a hard 3rd down/short yardage guy.... I think Bryce will be used to spell Shady more than Williams, but hey- I'm wrong all the time, Lol Thunder and lightning, baby. I look at them both as starters, kind of. 1a and 1b. Bryce is McCoy's backup and Boobie is Karlos' backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Lets bust out the Wing-T. Felton with McCoy and Harvin? Felton with McCoy and Karlos Williams? Felton with Dixon and Karlos Williams? Felton with Karlos Williams and Clay? Seriously, the skillsets by these guys are amazing. I just hope it translates on paper. The fact that Harvin and Clay both have experience in the backfield is absolutely amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Karlos is a monster runner. I am confident he will be good when he gets the football. My biggest question with him is, will he read pressure properly and pick up blitzers anywhere near as well as Fred Jackson did? That remains a question that could end up haunting the Bills if he is not good at it. I think Karlos is going to improve the Bills' rushing attack a lot which is what this coaching staff seems to be all about. So I am glad he is here. I could be wrong, but I think the responsibility for picking up blitzers may fall more on the TE and FB in Roman's 2 TE/2 back sets. Roman is known for using 2 TE and a FB Kind of a nice article about it here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Brown will be on the inactive list most weeks; just like last season. Can you imagine Freddy suffering the same fate here? It was merciful giving him a chance to sign elsewhere. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 From what I saw, he certainly earned the job. He and McCoy could be one hell of a one two punch, and it's good to hear that Shady sounds healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 3 yards and a cloud of dust baby! Bring back the leather helmets. Can't we rescind the head slap, and no 5 yards for full contact for receivers. Can you imagine Mario Williams doing what Deacon Jones did in the 60's. Supposedly before they recorded sacks, with his head slap had 36 sacks in a 14 game season. Here's to seeing Luck and Brady on their butts all game long!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Bills website lists Dixon as the #2, and Williams 3rd, Brown 4th. Forgive me, but perhaps I missed something here. From what I saw in the only pre season game he played against Carolina Williams had 14 rushes for 40 yards and a TD = 2.8 YPC avg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Bills website lists Dixon as the #2, and Williams 3rd, Brown 4th. Forgive me, but perhaps I missed something here. From what I saw in the only pre season game he played against Carolina Williams had 14 rushes for 40 yards and a TD = 2.8 YPC avg. You want your Thunder to average 5 YPC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) Bills website lists Dixon as the #2, and Williams 3rd, Brown 4th. Forgive me, but perhaps I missed something here. From what I saw in the only pre season game he played against Carolina Williams had 14 rushes for 40 yards and a TD = 2.8 YPC avg. they are going by practices as well as games. They aren't going to base the decision on one preseason game where they don't even play the whole game. Keep in mind all of the RBs still on the team played very little in the games (and in camp) due to their various injuries. He did play in the scrimmage as well. Also, the stat line is just that. The film is more telling. If you saw him play in the game, it was pretty darn good. Edited September 8, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Good work, Karlos! Also saw that it was a competition between Bryce and Karlos for the #2 position for most of camp. Looks like Boobie was more or less a lock for ST alone. I don't suppose Lynn had anything to say about Fred? Would be interested in what he had to say. He did about Fred, sorry I don't have the link but it was in a Tweet, he essentially said that if Fred can get cut, anyone can...and that's a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Brown will be on the inactive list most weeks; just like last season. Can you imagine Freddy suffering the same fate here? It was merciful giving him a chance to sign elsewhere. GO BILLS!!! This is what I've been telling friends. Nobody here would deal with Freddy being relegated to that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Now it is even more apparent why Freddie will play in Seattle. I just hope this kid is as good as the coaches suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 What was that offense from "We Are Marshall"?? The veer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Karlos WIlliams behind Felton BAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 It still shows Boobie#2 on the depth chart with Bryce as the "other" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 What was that offense from "We Are Marshall"?? The veer? Idk, but the best sports movie offense is the Flying V. quack....quaCK....qUACK....QUACK! QUACK! QUACK! Karlos WIlliams behind Felton BAM The 4th quarter STAMPEDE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) Good for Karlos. Hopefully it will be good for the Bills too. I'm sorry, I just don't get the Karlos love. He wasn't a starter in college. He is a 5th round draft pick. In PS he played one game and had 14 carries for 40 yards. He had one 10 yard run, so do the math, the other 13 he got 30 yards. I saw him get stuffed at the line several times in that game. Was not impressed. I didn't watch all the practices so I can't really comment on that. But the games are what counts IMHO. I'm not saying he's not good or won't be good, I just haven't seen it yet. Show me on the field. I suppose Rex saw something and I hope he's right. I'll be rooting for him of course. He's big, I'll give him that. Go BILLS!! Edited September 8, 2015 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Good for Karlos. Hopefully it will be good for the Bills too. I'm sorry, I just don't get the Karlos love. He wasn't a starter in college. He is a 5th round draft pick. In PS he played one game and had 14 carries for 40 yards. He had one 10 yard run, so do the math, the other 13 he got 30 yards. I saw him get stuffed at the line several times in that game. Was not impressed. I didn't watch all the practices so I can't really comment on that. But the games are what counts IMHO. I'm not saying he's not good or won't be good, I just haven't seen it yet. Show me on the field. I suppose Rex saw something and I hope he's right. I'll be rooting for him of course. He's big, I'll give him that. Go BILLS!! Who cares about stats? His purpose is to soften up the middle of that D so that McCoy is breaking off 80 yard runs in the 2nd half and securing the Bills' victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 They better be very careful with McCoy. Those strings need to be FULLY healed or you're asking for a long term, rather expensive problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
negativo Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Karlos is a rookie who is relatively new to the position. He's almost the same size as Boobie and Bryce, and the fastest of the bunch. The Bills should have cut Brown, promoted Karlos to Boobie's spot at RB & ST, kept Fred as RB, and made Boobie the deactivated RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Karlos is a rookie who is relatively new to the position. He's almost the same size as Boobie and Bryce, and the fastest of the bunch. The Bills should have cut Brown, promoted Karlos to Boobie's spot at RB & ST, kept Fred as RB, and made Boobie the deactivated RB. Fascinating idea. Refreshing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Thunder and lightning, baby. I look at them both as starters, kind of. 1a and 1b. Bryce is McCoy's backup and Boobie is Karlos' backup. Barring injury I don't see Karlos even getting 20% of the carries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Karlos is a rookie who is relatively new to the position. He's almost the same size as Boobie and Bryce, and the fastest of the bunch. The Bills should have cut Brown, promoted Karlos to Boobie's spot at RB & ST, kept Fred as RB, and made Boobie the deactivated RB. Sorry Bryce has a faster 40 time. Get it straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Barring injury I don't see Karlos even getting 20% of the carries Yeah. It'll depend on his performance. Roman runs a lot. There will be a good mix of all the backup RBs, plus Tyrod. If his offenses in SF are any indication, McCoy will get just over 50%, with the QB and backup RB about 15% each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 @mikerodak Bills' Anthony Lynn says Bryce Brown will have to carve out role on special teams, will be depth option at RB: http://es.pn/1ivcSMi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 And, he played safety early in college. You know how much Rex likes versatile defensive backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Bills website lists Dixon as the #2, and Williams 3rd, Brown 4th. Forgive me, but perhaps I missed something here. From what I saw in the only pre season game he played against Carolina Williams had 14 rushes for 40 yards and a TD = 2.8 YPC avg. If Shady is healthy I expect whomever is behind him might get at most 8 rushes a game. To me Karlos is going to be our goal line back and might occasionally spell McCoy in short yardage situations. I suspect early on Brown might stay active to replace McCoy until we know he's back leaving Boobie inactive early on. Also as the season wares on as people get healthy we could also see guys like Thigpen and maybe Goodwin get less and less playing time and maybe one of them get cut if McKelvin comes back as he could return as our primary punt returner and starting CB like he did in the 10 games we saw him play last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhode Island Red Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) I could be wrong, but I think the responsibility for picking up blitzers may fall more on the TE and FB in Roman's 2 TE/2 back sets. Roman is known for using 2 TE and a FB Kind of a nice article about it here Thanks for that link to the Robert Quinn piece; for this non-player it was one of the most helpful / insightful X's and O's discussions I've ever seen. But it really didn't contain anything on blitz pickups, did it? Any of you experts care to weigh in on whether Hopeful (classic moniker, btw) is correct on this? Seems relevant to the discussion of Karlos...and for that matter, Shady, too. Edited September 8, 2015 by Rhode Island Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 At this time last year, fans were sure we had the leagues greatest 1-2 RB with Spiller and Jackson. Same thing in 2012. RB has been depreciated in value by the rest of the league for a reason. The odds of an Adrian Petersen vs. LeSean McCoy super bowl are considerably less than an Aaron Rodgers vs. Tom Brady Super Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
negativo Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Sorry Bryce has a faster 40 time. Get it straight. People must love you. Such a nice gentleman. I hate to point out your error - it's never pleasant proving wrong such a kind person - however I don't want you to keep making unfortunate boo-boos. Karlos timed faster than Bryce. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=119349&draftyear=2015&genpos=RB http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=119349&draftyear=2015&genpos=RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Good for Karlos. Hopefully it will be good for the Bills too. I'm sorry, I just don't get the Karlos love. He wasn't a starter in college. He is a 5th round draft pick. In PS he played one game and had 14 carries for 40 yards. He had one 10 yard run, so do the math, the other 13 he got 30 yards. I saw him get stuffed at the line several times in that game. Was not impressed. I didn't watch all the practices so I can't really comment on that. But the games are what counts IMHO. I'm not saying he's not good or won't be good, I just haven't seen it yet. Show me on the field. I suppose Rex saw something and I hope he's right. I'll be rooting for him of course. He's big, I'll give him that. Go BILLS!! Good points. I'm with you on this one as I don't get it either. I want to see him make some yards in actual game play before i give the kid a nickname. I can't help but think as a rookie he will be a liability as a blocker on pass plays as all rookies usually are, and his main purpose will be as a grinder / power runner in short yardage. That is after Dixon tires as the #2 backup because I just don't see how anyone can conclude this 5th rounder deserves to be the primary backup just yet. Bryce Brown out performed all the Bills RB's still on the roster this pre season, and he is 4th. Anyway, I'll be cheering whomever is carrying the ball for the Bills too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Beat out by a freshman last year while averaging 4.6 ypc in the ACC. He'll be exposed very quickly in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 @mikerodak Bills' Anthony Lynn says Bryce Brown will have to carve out role on special teams, will be depth option at RB: http://es.pn/1ivcSMi ouch. Lynn has been pretty quiet till the roster was defined At this time last year, fans were sure we had the leagues greatest 1-2 RB with Spiller and Jackson. Same thing in 2012. RB has been depreciated in value by the rest of the league for a reason. The odds of an Adrian Petersen vs. LeSean McCoy super bowl are considerably less than an Aaron Rodgers vs. Tom Brady Super Bowl Its true But please keep in mind Roman is bucking the trend. i am not just making that up either. But thats not why Greg will be successful. Karlos is a rookie who is relatively new to the position. He's almost the same size as Boobie and Bryce, and the fastest of the bunch. The Bills should have cut Brown, promoted Karlos to Boobie's spot at RB & ST, kept Fred as RB, and made Boobie the deactivated RB. I think as mentioned, as the season goes along he will be used and abused to grind the toughstuff.and will break some with that speed. But he is a bruiser at heart i guess. I have no idea what his ceiling is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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