Kelly the Dog Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 It would be great if the next judge feels that this judge overstepped his bounds and rigs the case to have it come up sooner than later, and then doesn't allow for Brady's side to push it back with delays. Not going to happen but it would be great nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Mario should have a ballboy steal all the balls before the Pats game and stick a tiny chip in them, then Mario could employ and hide a sharpshooter at the Ralph with an air rifle, and every pass that Brady throws over ten yards the sniper will just shoot it out of the sky with help from the GPS chip. They really can't fault Mario or punish him for it because they didn't ever establish that there is a punishment for hiring snipers to blow the balls out of the sky before. No way that would work. He'd have to get the ballboy to hire the sharp shooter so they can only prove Mario was generally aware of what was going on. Now THAT might work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 as I expected, with no concrete evidence the suspension had to be lifted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Mario should have a ballboy steal all the balls before the Pats game and stick a tiny chip in them, then Mario could employ and hide a sharpshooter at the Ralph with an air rifle, and every pass that Brady throws over ten yards the sniper will just shoot it out of the sky with help from the GPS chip. They really can't fault Mario or punish him for it because they didn't ever establish that there is a punishment for hiring snipers to blow the balls out of the sky before. I think they surely felt that they had the power. It wasn't a confidence factor. The litany of problems that Wells had with the entire thing and everything he meticulously laid out made it very clear what they thought. I challenge your premise of using an air rifle. Simply not high caliber enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 It would be great if the next judge feels that this judge overstepped his bounds and rigs the case to have it come up sooner than later, and then doesn't allow for Brady's side to push it back with delays. Not going to happen but it would be great nonetheless. ill say it wont be a surprise to kick back the other way, as this is definitely an issue on the fringe of the rules -- but man, i cant believe the nfl isnt walking away from this. it must be in worry that they will lose much power in other appeals if they lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 So... is everyone allowed to cheat? Or, just Brady*? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 No way that would work. He'd have to get the ballboy to hire the sharp shooter so they can only prove Mario was generally aware of what was going on. Now THAT might work. No, even if they have video of Mario talking to the sharpshooter he can just deny he knows the guy. It's all good. Lying is not only okay, it's rewarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 No way that would work. He'd have to get the ballboy to hire the sharp shooter so they can only prove Mario was generally aware of what was going on. Now THAT might work. No, all he has to do is hire the sharpshooter by phone, then destroy his cell phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) It's painfully obvious after this case, Jonathan Vilma and other cases that have went before the courts and have the judge rule in favor of the player that the NFL needs to change their procedures in how they handle player discipline. Whether it be by a committee that hands out the punishments should be a first step. Edited September 3, 2015 by Jerry Jabber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 So... is everyone allowed to cheat? Or, just Brady*? there was insufficient PROOF that brady cheated. there was enough proof that someone in the NE organization cheated and that is why kraft cut his losses early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 ill say it wont be a surprise to kick back the other way, as this is definitely an issue on the fringe of the rules -- but man, i cant believe the nfl isnt walking away from this. it must be in worry that they will lose much power in other appeals if they lose. Or, they could just go back to their offices, and lick their wounds. If they walk away from it, and don't appeal, it gives the issues of how the league may discipline its players even more priority when the CBA comes up for renegotiation. They might feel that idea that a player could cheat, and not be disciplined-- as has happened in this case-- puts them in a decent bargaining position. there was insufficient PROOF that brady cheated. there was enough proof that someone in the NE organization cheated and that is why kraft cut his losses early. There was clearly a preponderance of evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 there was insufficient PROOF that brady cheated. there was enough proof that someone in the NE organization cheated and that is why kraft cut his losses early. The only proof you need to know that Brady cheated is having a pulse and working synapses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) I suspect this could hurt Brady's legacy more than if he would have accepted the punishment. Edited September 3, 2015 by Triple Threat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 how "generally aware" rises to a 4 game suspension, when the punishment for underinflation according to the CBA is a $25,000 fine, is laughable. goodell and the NFL overstepped their authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Pretty sure this is the way Goodell wanted it. He looks like he tried his damnedest to punish New England while knowing it was too off-the-wall to ever come across as legit in a court of law. ridiculous. precedent is extremely important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Or, they could just go back to their offices, and lick their wounds. If they walk away from it, and don't appeal, it gives the issues of how the league may discipline its players even more priority when the CBA comes up for renegotiation. They might feel that idea that a player could cheat, and not be disciplined-- as has happened in this case-- puts them in a decent bargaining position. There was clearly a preponderance of evidence. a preponderance of speculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Is the domestic abuse stuff in there at all? I'm getting random annoying emails from the wife's Boston area family saying that the league needs to focus on the real problems like all of the domestic abuse. I find all of this funny because if that stuff's not in there either, this ruling just effectively stopped him from being able to take a tougher stance against it. Or have they officially laid out how they plan on punishing for that? It's alluded to in the Personal Conduct Policy. If you're arrested for beating on a woman, you can be suspended immediately (most suspensions for criminal offenses occur after adjudication; if there's risk to the well-being of another party, the suspension can be immediate). But again, that policy has the "conduct detrimental" clause, and isn't limited to criminal activity. So a player could theoretically be suspended for flying a Confederate flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) I suspect this could hurt Brady's legacy more than if he would have accepted the punishment. i tend to agree with this statement. Everyone knows he cheated. It's common sense. All this did was the make him look like a spoiled little kid and a cheater. Edited September 3, 2015 by dubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 the punishment for underinflation according to the CBA is a $25,000 fine, is laughable. That's maximum specified punishment a CLUB may impose on a PLAYER for tampering with club equipment. That has exactly nothing to do with this case - Brady wasn't suspended by the Pats for tampering with the Pats' equipment. Really...read the friggin' CBA, or shut the !@#$ up people. It's not that tough a read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Uh...yeah. Read the CBA. Goodell is allowed to dispense his own brand of industrial justice. The NFLPA agreed to it. Not only that, there is no other "brand of justice" that Goodell can dispense. The CBA leaves discipline up to the sole discretion of the Commissioner. So Berman effectively rewrote the CBA to say that the Commissioner has no disciplinary authority. My feelings exactly. And why I think this judge set a poor precedent for all collectively bargained agreements moving forward. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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