TH3 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Shouldn't someone with going on 20 seasons in NFL personnel be more savvy than what Whaley is now? Especially the part about understanding how different departments must work together in a NFL Front Office? I'm sure Pittsburgh does things differently in some ways than Buffalo, but DW has been here through 6 off-seasons now. More savvy - how? He cut an expensive aging vet they didn't want to bring to camp - except for the owner - in the first place.... Fred gets butthurt - shocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
negativo Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Like rats to cheese....the usual suspects appear right on time with full on ad hominem to deflect. So predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Did Whaley notify the football ops and marketing department and local banks before promising that bonus? That reeks of unsavviness. Of course not. He said himself, in promising the bonus he was "going rogue." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Like rats to cheese....the usual suspects appear right on time with full on ad hominem to deflect. So predictable. on the bright side for the rest of us, your trolling has gotten so absurd that you no longer disrupt conversation seriously, but instead provide entertaining material for parody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Like rats to cheese....the usual suspects appear right on time with full on ad hominem to deflect. So predictable. Dipshit...you accused EVERYONE here of being paid shills for Whaley. And now you're bitching about everyone ELSE attacking you personally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Of course not. He said himself, in promising the bonus he was "going rogue." thats so whaley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Like rats to cheese....the usual suspects appear right on time with full on ad hominem to deflect. So predictable. I see...so our responses to being called shills are ad hominem attacks, but you calling us shills is perfectly fine? I also see that I shouldn't expect a reasoned response to this: And yet you come at some of us that have been very targeted in our criticism(s) of the front office and claim we're shills. Was I shilling when I ripped the Darby pick back in April? Was I shilling when I repeatedly blasted Marrone/Hacket's use of Sammy Watkins, or my disdain for the Kouandjio selection? To claim to have read certain members' posting history, and then have drawn such a conclusion means one of two things:(1) you're lying, or (2) you're incapable of deductive reasoning. Of course I suppose it could be both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 on the bright side for the rest of us, your trolling has gotten so absurd that you no longer disrupt conversation seriously, but instead provide entertaining material for parody. And doesn't know the difference between "mockery" and "ad hominem attacks," which makes the parody that much more entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Because Whaley didn't notify the marketing department he was cutting Fred he's now not "savvy" and doesn't know how front offices work? And since he is only doing Rex's bidding (as you have consistently stated) why didn't Rex notify the marketing folks? If I may, it seems to me that this quite possibly reflects a confusion of communication expectations arising from the change in command structure? Am I wrong in remembering that with Wilson's health declining/during Mary Wilson's trusteeship, Brandon was the President of the Bills and both Marrone and Nix/Whaley reported to him? Or did Marrone actually report to Nix/Whaley who reported to Brandon? Either way, Brandon had a big hand in football operations - he had functioned as GM after Levy retired, he and Overdorf were clearly in the draft room during the Watkins trade-up and clearly had influence, grinning and high-fiving and fist-pumping. It was flagged for Pegula that there could be problems in that reporting structure if things didn't elevate to his attention. As I understand it, Brandon, Rex Ryan, and Whaley all now report directly to Pegula. Brandon has publically said he is "hands off" the football operations several times. So it seems to me that quite legitimately, Ryan and Whaley could agree and notify the Pegulas, but Brandon and/or some of his lower FO minions were "out of the loop" and are pissed. But you know....to run an efficient football team, you really have to make football decisions with football guys. So Brandon may feel that he needs to know/buy-in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I can't wait until they cut Kyle Williams. He's a unproductive bum anyways. Who needs him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) I can't wait until they cut Kyle Williams. He's a unproductive bum anyways. Who needs him?i understand how fans can lump these two together for obvious reasons. I think the difference there is that KW is a starter and considered an elite player at his position. Fred wasn't going to be the feature back here and isn't considered elite, and is a few years older. Edited September 2, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Great post...except it will be ignored by those who are ripping Whaley and want him tar and feathered. Thanks. I guess I'm not really posting for them, I realize no facts or reason will convince them. I'm just hoping to provide facts to those who are interested in same but perhaps lack time or inclination to look them up for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) The one thing Whaley probably could have done much better was controlling the narrative. The story should have been cap casualty, plain and simple. By side stepping that people can misconstrue agendas all day long. Freddie had a greater cap hit than boobie, Bryce, Karlos and b Hill combined... and it sounded like he wasn't going to be the #2 back. It doesn't make business sense that the 24th highest paid running back this year was the 38th most productive LAST YEAR, and declining. And there are three younger guys that have more left in the tank and are peaking or still ascending. That's why Freddie is going to clear waivers before he gets his new Jersey. Gotta prune the shrubs to get that new growth. And I say that as a huge f-jax fan. Will always consider him a man among boys, the gritty way he plays. Father Time is an a-hole. Edited September 2, 2015 by over 20 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 not a big deal. If things stink and results dont come, the Pegulas will make changes. Until then, Im cool with everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 hey everybody. what's going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 hey everybody. what's going on?another day, another dollar! Little Susie needs a new pair of shoes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 The one thing Whaley probably could have done much better was controlling the narrative. The story should have been cap casualty, plain and simple. By side stepping that people can misconstrue agendas all day long. Freddie had a greater cap hit than boobie, Bryce, Karlos and b Hill combined... and it sounded like he wasn't going to be the #2 back. It doesn't make business sense that the 24th highest paid running back this year was the 38th most productive LAST YEAR, and declining. And there are three younger guys that have more left in the tank and are peaking or still ascending. That's why Freddie is going to clear waivers before he gets his new Jersey. Gotta prune the shrubs to get that new growth. And I say that as a huge f-jax fan. Will always consider him a man among boys, the gritty way he plays. Father Time is an a-hole. There are no waivers to clear since he's a vested vet of 4+ NFL seasons to his credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 i understand how fans can lump these two together for obvious reasons. I think the difference there is that KW is a starter and considered an elite player at his position. Fred wasn't going to be the feature back here and isn't considered elite, and is a few years older.I understand that. I'm just mocking the people who called Jackson a bum and washed up. Everytime someone gets cut, there are quite a few "fans" who jump on the he's a bum wagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 not a big deal. If things stink and results dont come, the Pegulas will make changes. Until then, Im cool with everything hey everybody. what's going on? another day, another dollar! Little Susie needs a new pair of shoes! #shillinlikeavillain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 i understand how fans can lump these two together for obvious reasons. I think the difference there is that he's a starter and considered an elite player at his position. Fred wasn't going to be the feature back here and isn't considered elite, and is a few years older. There will come a time when the Bills call Kyle into an office and say "Kyle, the way we grade it, there isn't likely to be space on the 53 man roster for you this year. Would you like to retire and have us throw you a party, would you like to fight to the end in case there are injuries or our evaluation shifts, or would you like to be cut now to give you a bit better chance to catch on elsewhere?" What happens then is going to depend upon the Bills recent record and playoff picture. I love Fred and I'm so sad he's not a Bill anymore. Much respect. I can't help thinking, though, that all this Brouhaha is less about Fred's actual current abilities as a player, Doug Whaley's actual abilities as a GM and evaluator of football talent, and the relative abilities of the other RBs. I think it's more about that 15 year playoff drought and how FredEx Delivered hope and interest to the fans via hard work and great attitude during a dark time of dreary Bills football with no end in sight. I can't help thinking that if we were the Ravens or the Seahawks it would be more "wow, I'll miss him, but it must have been time" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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